Senior Member hairman22 Posted June 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted June 7, 2019 Erdogan loves using high graft numbers because they know at least half will grow so can say there was some iporovement in most cases. Not much consideration is given into future loss just their bank balance. It is why they have so many surgeries. I would never get a transplant there. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 8, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 8, 2019 9 hours ago, hairman22 said: Erdogan loves using high graft numbers because they know at least half will grow so can say there was some iporovement in most cases. Not much consideration is given into future loss just their bank balance. It is why they have so many surgeries. I would never get a transplant there. I'm so annoyed that had I fine to the right surgeon the first time I could have had a better result and spent less money and also used less grafts than I have across my previous 2 surgeries. Thankfully my donor area still looks really good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 11, 2019 Donor area with short haircut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairlossPA Posted June 11, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted June 11, 2019 donor looks decent. how do you feel about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PlzRespond Posted June 11, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Der3k7 said: Donor area with short haircut What length is that on the sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, hairlossPA said: donor looks decent. how do you feel about it? It looks good to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, PlzRespond said: What length is that on the sides? The shortest at the bottom is a 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 14, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 14, 2019 No improvement for months. These are pics at the corners and I drew lines to show where the transplanted hairline was and you can see its still a little pink and the yield is horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 25, 2019 7.5 months in sunlight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member CosmoKramer Posted June 25, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted June 25, 2019 Hi Derek, I think for an outside sunlit photo it’s looks better at 7.5 months and I bet you’ll see more progress especially thickening over the next few months, hopefully in those areas you’ve underscored. Even at post 12-months I’m seeing incremental improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, CosmoKramer said: Hi Derek, I think for an outside sunlit photo it’s looks better at 7.5 months and I bet you’ll see more progress especially thickening over the next few months, hopefully in those areas you’ve underscored. Even at post 12-months I’m seeing incremental improvement. I'm gonna go to hasson and wong in a year they said they recommend 1000 to 1500 grafts in my weak spots. My hairline doesn't exist anymore when I see myself in lighting from above and sunlight and is not right for how much hair I had plus 5000 grafts Edited June 25, 2019 by Der3k7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairlossPA Posted June 25, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted June 25, 2019 what is the drawn line indicating in your pictures? i don’t understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, hairlossPA said: what is the drawn line indicating in your pictures? i don’t understand It's just as a reference point for the recipient line to know that everything above that is recipient area. It's not obvious what is recipient area and what's not because the recipient area is so thin Edited June 25, 2019 by Der3k7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonelyGraft Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I also think it looks improved. Do you have any product in these pics and the set before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member BjornBorg Posted June 25, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Der3k7 said: I'm gonna go to hasson and wong in a year they said they recommend 1000 to 1500 grafts in my weak spots. My hairline doesn't exist anymore when I see myself in lighting from above and sunlight and is not right for how much hair I had plus 5000 grafts Great choice. I can't imagine what two non satisfactory procedures do to you mentally. Hopefully after going to one of the elite, you shall find serenity. Edited June 25, 2019 by BjornBorg My results - 2486 grafts FUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted June 25, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, BjornBorg said: Great choice. I can't imagine what two non satisfactory procedures do to you mentally. Hopefully after going to one of the elite, you shall find serenity. No I don't like product I like the dry natural look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted July 4, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) Update, I sent hasson and wong these pictures and he said he could put 2000-2500 in my hairline as is to reinforce it. I guess he increased the number of grafts cuz maybe with my hair longer my donor looks more sense than the first donor Pic I sent him. I won't be getting it done until the second half of next year so about 2 years after my erdogan procedure. Unfortunately it'll take another 16-20k dollars but hopefully 3rd time is the charm Edited July 4, 2019 by Der3k7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted July 7, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 7, 2019 Official 8 months post op 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairlossPA Posted July 8, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 8, 2019 personally man i wouldn’t go another surgery. your hair looks good and healthy. you have a lot more of your life to use those grafts more strategically if you continue to loss hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted July 9, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/7/2019 at 6:53 PM, hairlossPA said: personally man i wouldn’t go another surgery. your hair looks good and healthy. you have a lot more of your life to use those grafts more strategically if you continue to loss hair Today Dr wong from H and w said he can do 3000 grafts between my hairline and vertex and that I would still have grafts leftover for a future procedure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member xadiohead Posted July 9, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/7/2019 at 8:53 PM, hairlossPA said: personally man i wouldn’t go another surgery. your hair looks good and healthy. you have a lot more of your life to use those grafts more strategically if you continue to loss hair Like I've said multiple times before, it is a waste of time trying to put any sense into him. If I recall, he doesn't take finasteride, minoxidil, or any supplements. He began searching for new surgeons after only about 5 months. He is under 30, had two transplants, and wants a third before he is 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted July 9, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, xadiohead said: Like I've said multiple times before, it is a waste of time trying to put any sense into him. If I recall, he doesn't take finasteride, minoxidil, or any supplements. He began searching for new surgeons after only about 5 months. He is under 30, had two transplants, and wants a third before he is 30. Well i did tell Dr wong my complete history and the number of grafts that have been used so far and he knows my age and has seen multiple pictures of my donor and all over my head. Do you think he would advise me of 3000 grafts between my hairline and vertex if he didn't think it was a good choice? I'm posting that as a real question. I feel like most high end doctors would turn someone away if they didn't feel they would have a good benefit. He also said I have enough donor density for a 4th future procedure if need be. Edited July 9, 2019 by Der3k7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Kraistoff Posted July 9, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) edited Edited July 13, 2019 by Kraistoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted July 9, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Kraistoff said: I’ve lost my faith in the ethics of the whole industry. I mean come one, if they were ethical would they be charging this amount for the surgery or doing it at a decent rate ? It’s all a load of bollocks. Even this forum won’t let you slag off a dr that pays them money. The mods won’t come out and criticise a dr when they deserve it. Perhaps a few surgeons actually care but I doubt most do. See my post below. I was editing it but my connection was messing up and I ended up commenting the same comment twice. So I'm just editing this one to refer you to the one below this. Edited July 9, 2019 by Der3k7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Der3k7 Posted July 9, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kraistoff said: I’ve lost my faith in the ethics of the whole industry. I mean come one, if they were ethical would they be charging this amount for the surgery or doing it at a decent rate ? It’s all a load of bollocks. Even this forum won’t let you slag off a dr that pays them money. The mods won’t come out and criticise a dr when they deserve it. Perhaps a few surgeons actually care but I doubt most do. Well regarding the price, I think it's natural and normal to charge fair market value for anything. If supply and demand allows them to charge it then it becomes a fair exchange because of the value it provides the person getting the procedure. It can be life changing. And they studied and worked hard, it makes sense that they get compensated. Plus it's a business and has high costs to run. Also, even when I was at asmed, I saw a patient get turned away for a procedure because they didn't think he needed one during his consultation. Idk if wong would suggest to me 3000 grafts if he felt it would doom me in the future to regretting it. He said he won't lower my hairline but he will reinforce it so it's not see through basically and I would be content with that. As well as I would be content going back for as many surgeries as I need and have donor grafts for without depleting it too much throughout my adult life. And I do also put more weight into my appearance when I'm young and in my mate selection years as it is more relevant now than when I'm 50. Also I tried finasteride for 11 months and started to notice slight sides and then I got off it and experienced bad post finasteride syndrome. I will never use it again. My weiner is important to me. 😁 Edited July 9, 2019 by Der3k7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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