Portugal25

2 minutes ago, Grafts said:

Hi @Portugal25,

- What's your opinion on Dr. Kyriakos Maras (HDC Hair Clinic - Cyprus)?

- Which Doctor at HLC (Ankara) would you recommend?

 

HDC does stellar work at repair jobs. Check out @Doron Harati

HLC top Docs are the founder Dr. Ozgur and Dr. Akin.

1 hour ago, BjornBorg said:

Read my post again. I stated that the lead tech does the extractions.

I will not reveal the price out of respect for the clinic. The price might differ depending on the individual case.

I also respect both clinics where I had my HT’s and I strongly believe I’m doing them a service by informing people the prices just like Eugenix reps do on a regular basis.

Sorry but the whole let’s keep the prices tabu and disclose them to nobody so everyone has to call the clinic 4 times to book a appointment then wait months for the consultation to finally get a quote is ridiculous because the clinic will end up losing patients  to a more open clinic with full disclosure on pricing and technique (which should be the norm in this modern age). 

36 minutes ago, BjornBorg said:

A lot of misleading information from @Portugal25 in this thread that should be edited/deleted. @Melvin-Moderator

There is no internet war intent from my side, Portugal25.  I am however forced to respectfully point out that you spoke uninformed in this thread. That happens. But if we let it stand then it is very dangerous both for potential patients and for clinics reputations.

I had a procedure at De Freitas Clinic 6 weeks ago. Let me correct you on the following points:

1. No techs do any implantation. Dr De Freitas does all the slits and all the implantation. He does 3 patients a day but only around 1500 grafts per patient. So the patients that need more are booked for consecutive days. Sometimes they work overtime to get a patient over the line if someone only needs a few more hundred. They then take a slower day the day after.

2. They have 3 tech teams. One lead tech in each team specialize in doing the extractions with motorized punch, the rest sort the grafts and pack the implantation tools.

3. Your price per graft is wrong. The price structure is different for the first 1000 grafts than the rest.

4. If you look at the biggest spanish forum, as @OliverAtom stated, you will find that De Freitas has more real patient reports than anyone else over the course of many years.

My review thread will come within the next few weeks.

Please explain how a Doctor can do 3 surgeries of 1500 grafts without the techs being delegated some part of the surgery.
You say Dr. Freitas does all the implanting but it does seem the extraction is done by techs. If this correct I will update the chart to reflect extraction done by techs rather than implantation.

If there’s price structure for the first 1k grafts then the Brazilian lady that I spoke with should have said so instead of wondering why I wanted information about the surgery. 

if you want to share the prices I will update the chart if not I can only use the estimates I got that might not be 100% accurate. 

If you are unhappy because someone finally posted estimated prices, (yes I did state they might be 100% accurate but at least we all get a idea) then ask Melvin to censor this list so we can all go back to sending PM to one and other hoping a good samaritan will share the “state secret” that is the price he paid for his surgery. 

I was actually hoping someone would grab this list and continue to add other surgeons.

9 minutes ago, BDK081522 said:

You're missing the point. It's not $9.60 USD for every case. I received an extra 76 grafts at no charge. That's why mine would equate to $9.60 per graft. Every case is different and as such his prices vary. Some may be price per graft some overall surgical fee. It's all case dependent so I would update the chart with a range of $10-$16 for Dr Konior's FUE prices. That should cover the range he is currently charging. 

@BDK081522 10-16 gives an average of 13USD/graft which is the exact price I considered on my list. Your welcome 😊

4 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

This is actually spot on, let’s not spread misinformation @Portugal25 he charges depending on the complexity of the case. A virtual consultation should be done to understand the cost for your individual case.

I called his office and this was the estimate I received it’s not misinformation. 
I don’t understand why US Doctors have this secrecy with prices. If it’s actually 9.6US I will update the chart.

Just now, OliverAtom said:

Are you serious about Konior???? OH MY GOD!!! 😲🤯🙉 CRAZYYYYY!!! I still can NOT believe this!!!

About Couto, I would call back and confirm about being him the one doing the implanting... just to be on the safe side.

About Freitas, ufff, 4 patients seems to be almost impossible to do the implanting himself but... maybe he is a Brazilian Super-Hero 🧜‍♂️

 

Already called Couto office once. If one his patients corrects me I will update my list and include him on my TOP 5 (Shame about the 2 year wait list tough).
Found out today that Bruno Pinto has a 1 year wait list just for a consultation.

So I guess Spain&Portugal are soon be the go to destinations for elite level FUE 😊

US has amazing FUE surgeons but they are just so so so expensive and only found 2 Doctors doing just 1 patient (without pré-made slits) but one charges 16 bucks per graft and the other almost 10 😬 (Konior and Nadimi). 

23 minutes ago, OliverAtom said:

First of all, thanks SO SO much for such an interesting post. It´s great to see all that info together 🤗

However, a piece of advice... I think you should UPDATE some of the data on that file of yours since you are providing some really sensitive information which could mislead people.

You are stating that Dr. Freitas and Dr. Couto DONT do the implanting themselves and this work is done by their Techs...  Where did you get that info?
I know almost 99% for sure that Dr. Couto does ALL the implanting.
And with Dr Freitas results I would also assume that he does the implanting himself. At least, I never saw on the Spanish Forum (the original Forum "Recuperar EL Pelo") someone saying he wasn't doing the implanting.

Also, I have noticed you are using just EUROS on your File... it's not the same 13 Dollars or 13 Euros ... for example, Konior does charge in dollars. If it was in Euros it would mean that he charges 15.4$ per Graft which would be totally insane... 13 dollars is already ridiculous 😵

Thanks again for your contribution!

Konior does charge 15.4USD per graft not insane it’s the ruff estimate I got over the phone and I have to say it was really difficult to get a estimate over the phone abd the lady did say that it can be even higher than 16US/graft. 

Couto does 2 patients per day I did confirm this with his clinic so there’s no way he does the whole surgery (he’s considered a God at FUE but he’s not omnipresent).

Freitas does up to 4 patients per day so obviously he has to delegate part of his surgeries to techs. The Brazilian lady that answered the phone got upset with me for asking to many questions and wanted to why I was asking so many details about the surgery. I can olny assume she is used to people only asking about available dates or was trained at a Hairmill.

Despite Freitas starting in this field at a Hairmill if both him and Couto did surgery on just 1 patient per day they would both be on my TOP 5 FUE Docs. 

@OliverAtom I only knew about the more recent Spanish forum and just recently found the older Spanish with a lot more Couto and Freitas case but also a boat load of Pinto cases. 

9 hours ago, PizzaWolf said:

@Portugal25

"Eugenix has a very good Doctor named Pradeep Sethi and Dr. Arika that is also good but not considered on the same level as her more experienced colleague."

What are you basing this on? Both doctors started doing hair transplants at the same time. They're married and founded Eugenix together.

Quite right Pizzawolf, Dr. Arika is also a very good Doctor. Dr. Sethi is more well known but I stand corrected, they both have the same experience.

13 hours ago, miko said:

I didn´t hear about Dr. Bruno Pinto. To prices: HLC 2,7 eur per graft and Dr. Couto 5,- eur per graft actually, Dr. Feriduni is also more expensive. Dr. Couto do all steps of HT by himself and operate 1, max 2 patients daily, In Eugenix, in more expensive package also doctors do extractions and implantations of grafts. Why Couto and Lorenzo aren´t on your list? 

Couto and Lorenzo are on my list and I explained above why they are not in my top choices.

HLC is now 2.5€/graft.

Couto can’t do surgery on 2 patients per day and do all the steps of both surgeries it’s simply impossible.

Dr. Bruno Pinto is the Doctor with the highest number of real patients results on both Spanish forums and if you check some of those results you will understand why he’s one my of top choices.

It’s shame that other than Dr. Bruno Ferreira and Dr. Bruno Pinto  there’s no other quality option in Portugal as the rest we have here is basically just franchise clinics or hairmills both with celebrity endorsements.
It’s ridiculous but the Portuguese actually chose their HT clinic simply based on the celebrity that went there and not because of the results of the Doctor (they don’t even know if it’s a Doctor or a Tech doing their surgery they just look at Celebrities Instagram results). This is why Dr. BF and Dr. BP have very few Portuguese going to them as they cater mostly to Spanish and other international patients. 

On 10/17/2020 at 4:33 AM, MazAB said:

The way I understand it, the important part are the designing and slits which are done by Dr Arika. The techs are very good at using the implanters and requires a little less of a skilled hand than making the slits. Bottom line, you should be just fine with the Exclusive Package

@T95goodIf you get a kidney transplant do you also believe it’s just fine if the Doctor only cuts you open and leaves the underpaid techs to do the rest of the surgery? 
Like all other surgeries, Hair Transplant is also a surgery and thus it makes the world of difference if it’s conducted by a Surgeon with a lot of experience and proven great results or by unknown Doctors and techs.

Eugenix has a Great Doctor named Pradeep Sethi and his wife who is also very good Dr. Arika.

The comprehensive package does not include any of these two Doctors, you will have a unknown Indian doctor doing your surgery with unknown techs. I would never recommend this option.

Even with the Exclusive package you don’t have one of the two renowned Doctors at Eugenix doing the whole surgery because there’s  still some parts that will be done by techs but at least your surgery will be conducted by Dr. Arika. 

It’s for this reason I always advise people looking at the 2-3€/graft price point to go with either Dr. Bruno Ferreira (2.5€/graft), HLC (2.5€/graft) or Dr. Bruno Pinto (2.45€/graft). All of them do surgery on just 1 patient per day using advanced techniques such as DHI (both Bruno’s) or Stick&Place (HLC). This being said, Eugenix is indeed getting amazing result and are in my TOP 3 for combined FUE+BHT. 

Check my list below with some of the world best Doctors. 

Here`s my opinion on the best of best.

TOP FUE Doctors

Dr. Raymond Konior 

Dr. Bruno Ferreira 

Dr. Bruno Pinto 

Dr. Sahar Nadimi 

TOP Combined FUE + BHT Doctors

HLC Ankara

Dr. Kaan Pekiner 

Dr. Sethi or Dr. Arika @ Eugenix 

TOP FUT Doctors

Dr. Raymond Konior

Dr. Bijan Feriduni

Hasson&Wong 

Dr. Sever Muresanu 

Feller&Bloxham 

For FUE and BHT I prefer Doctors doing the whole surgery (Eugenix being the exception but their technique doesn’t allow them to have just the Doctor doing everything and they do excel at BHT) on just 1 patient per day with either DHI or Stick&Place and with real patients posting amazing results on forums.
The best in the US is considered by most to be Dr. Konior and he also operates on just 1 patient per day with stick&place so it’s safe to assume this technique along with DHI (which is similar and also provides insane results like the ones Couto, Freitas and Pinto have on the Spanish forum) will produce the best results (when in the hands of a great surgeon). 

My preference left out many other elite FUE Docs that have truly remarkable results posted by real patients (Couto, Feriduni, Freitas) but these are Doctors that aren’t focused on just 1 patient per day (not as cost effective) or are still doing pre-made slits (which is the best option for FUE surgeries partly delegated to techs because the Doctor does all the slits and only after do the techs implant in the pre-made slits so there’s less of a chance for newbie techs to make mistakes) 

For FUT I actually thinks it’s best to have techs because all the grafts are extracted at once from the strip and they must be implanted as quickly as possible thus requiring a tech team to quickly extract the grafts from the slit and to quickly implant in the pre-made slits designed by the Doctor.

I have updated my list of Doctors (prices may not be 100% accurate).

12 minutes ago, miko said:

He wrote me that according big hairloss pattern and previous HT he can´t offer me his service... 

Kesser cherry picks his patients. He usually goes for patients looking for hairline reconstructions up to 1500-2000 grafts. 

14 minutes ago, LonelyGraft said:

But there’s no denying that de Freitas achieves great results. The Spanish forums are brewing over with praise for him. Do u think the Spanish forums r just marketing?

I speak fluent Spanish and I’m a member of the Spanish forum (recuperartupelo) where there’s no real patient results from De Freitas and the most viewed thread about him is a thread comparing him with Dr. Ximena Villa.

The Spanish forum is dominated by Dr. Bruno Pinto (Portuguese) and Dr. Ximena Villa (Spanish). You will be hard pressed to find any real patients from Couto or Dr Freitas.

I have just seen 1 real patient results from Dr. Rafael De Freitas and since I don’t look at or comment YouTube, Social Media or Website results I can’t really say anything good or bad about Dr. De Freitas other than the appalling hairmill where he started working (C2MC where my friend had his subpar HT for 1.15€/grafy done by a Senegalese tech).

He has 1 amazing result at HRN but it’s hard find any other real patient result.

I can understand that it’s hard to find real patient results from Dr. Ferreira because he’s operating at Lorenzo’s clinic and must not be able to promote himself freely while affiliated to Lorenzo but I don’t get why it’s hard to find real patients from De Freitas (he’s had his own clinic for years).

5 minutes ago, LonelyGraft said:

Wait, you think de Freitas is not as good as everyone claims? Why? Do u know where he received additional training? It seems like most Spanish and Portuguese doctors use the same lion implanter pen so they must have received similar training.

De Freitas began working in the field at a Portuguese hairmill while Ferreira and Ximena got their know-how from Lorenzo in Spain. Yes they all use the lion implator pen but there’s much more to the HT than the instruments and I believe it’s different when someone learns from the best or at a hairmill.

5 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

@jc80220

This is a conversation to be had via PM. 

I do agree @Melvin-Moderator

@jc80220you need to go ask this question on IT help forums because that forum website is available on any web browser or smartphone. 

@jc80220 I don`t understand what you mean... 

I just type on my iphone and see whatever I want on the Turkish hairloss forum.

@whattheFUE I have to agree with @Melvin-Moderator because it makes zero sense to place Keser in that list as this is a Doctor that doesn`t use a microscope, doesn´t speak English (recluse from the international FUE scene) and cherry picks his patients.

Couto has almost no real patients at the Spanish forum as it`s dominated by Dr. Bruno Pinto (Porto) and Dr. Ximena Villa (Madrid). He is however fully booked for more than 2 years and does seem tk be achieving great results.

Dr. Rafael De Freitas started working in this field at the Portuguese Hairmill C2MC (2010-2012) where techs do your surgery with little supervision from the Doctor so I`m baffled as to how a Doctor with 2 years experience at a Hairmill plus 2 years of experience at some clinics and hospital in Spain prior to opening his own clinic is now awarded a spot on a Top 10 list.

Hattingen is in my opinion the best for anyone looking for FUT Mega Sessions other than that I would recommend other surgeons.

Hasson&Wong are legends and do belong in any top 10 list even if they do use techs do the part of the surgery (probably some of the best techs in the world).

@jc80220it’s the Turkish Hairloss  you have to write Serkan Esma Tetik in the search function to see dozens of threads of real patients. Google translation is ok but you won’t be able to understand everything the patients are saying in the translation.

 @Egy you are quite right to be angry at your homeland Italian forum for deleting posts but they currently have 54 real patient results threads so it’s far from being cherry picked. 

We all know about the Russian Guy with a subpar result because he attacked Pekiner in every international forum despite being offered a free touch up and it could be that he was influenced by the competition to damage Pekiner’s name. 

Like @CristeroI also see no problem for any Doctor to offer a discount as a incentive for patients to post their results for 12 months.
I had to nag my long time friend @PT#31 daily for him to post his results and again for him to update his thread. Without incentive why would anyone take time to post???? Are we to believe everyone that has a HT are people that have time available and like to write TripAdvisor and Yelp reviews?!??? Ofcourse not and without allowing the Doctor to offer them incentive for them to publish their work (good or bad) there will never be many real patients posting. 

@Hairless Ozzie stay clear of Turkey as it’s the world capital of botched hair transplants due to the existence of thousands of hairmills that have dozens of technicians without any medical background (former taxi drivers or dishwashers) doing surgery on up to 8 patients per day. 

In Turkey the only safe bet if HLC (2.5€/graft) or Dr. Pekiner (at 2.25€/graft but only if you don’t have miniaturized hair). Both do stick&placez

My advice if for you to look into Dr. Bruno Ferreira in Portugal (2.5€/graft). 

All these Doctors do just 1 patient per day with highly skilled techniques at the same level or better (in Dr. BF case) at a fraction of the price.

Just now, Cristero said:

I've had my transplant with Dr Pekiner 3 weeks ago and I can confirm the doctor ethics and skills.

I had 5% of miniaturized hairs on my donor but the others were thick caliber and he used those for the hairlines and crown. I've never seen better and more natural hairlines done by anyone else, apart from Dr. Couto and Dr. De Freitas in Spain. You can see it by yourself in an Italian forum through real patients reports:

https://bellicapelli.forumfree.it/m/?f=64816590

This forum is a it biased negatively towards him due to the bad behaviour of his rep in one case.

Then my HT could still be a failure, I'm in early stages, but I can tell you the doctor has been proven to be super professional and really human.

Cristero you are very right!
A Doctor can’t be judged by his representatives actions when there are 54 real patients posting amazing results with Dr. Pekiner on the Italian forum.

Hope to see your results thread soon. 

9 minutes ago, Rolandas said:

Pain free anesthesia? I think it was just a regular anesthesia, but the way he does it feels like pain-free

@PT#31compared it with the anesthesia he had with Pekiner and he told me that with Dr. BF he only felt the first sting and nothing during surgery while with Dr. Pekiner he did have some disconfort and felt stings from the anesthesia.  
I myself can only compare with my first FUT with Dr. Rahal and the anesthesia and discomfort during surgery was pretty much the same with Dr. Rahal and Dr. Pekiner. I felt some discomfort asked for more anesthesia and felt some stings (nothing out of the ordinary).

37 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I like Dr. BF but he does not have half as many patient reviews as Dr. Bansal, @Fluffhead @Zoomster @paddyirishman @Ashishmehta to name a few.

My suggestion is to look up real reviews, then speak to actual patients via pm for their non biased opinions. Once you speak to real patients you’ll get a better sense. @Portugal25 probably the best one to talk to about Pekiner. 

@Grafts I fully agree with @Melvin-Moderator and advise you to PM @Rolandas so he can explain to you all about the technique and pain free anesthesia used by Dr. BF 

1 hour ago, Grafts said:

@Melvin-Moderator - Thanks Melvin.

How recent was the last time Dr. Pekiner done this? (i.e. cancelled procedures on the day of surgery)

My understanding is that this has happened to a couple of people, but that he has changed his approach and it's not likely it will happen again. (But who knows) 

This happened to @PT#31 and @lixinfu in 2019 and the third and last time it happened was on 6th January 2020 to @duchaine

@Grafts the reason why I don’t recommend Pekiner if you have miniaturized hairs is because these 3 HRN members had their surgery aborted for just this reason.