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@Nugget you must do more research here at HRN because there are many threads informing that Asmed is a turkish hairmill with technicians doing surgery on 8 patients per day so your results will depend on the tech you get when you check-in at the hairmill. A technician at a hairmill could have been washing dishes at a restaurant 2 months before doing your surgery. Turkey is the world capital of botched hair transplants and there’s only 1 option in Turkey where you are almost certain to get a good result - HLC Ankara (2.7€/graft). They do manual FUE which is limited to 1500 grafts per day with a technique called stick&place which means they extract the grafts and then make 1 hole/slit and immediately implant the graft so that the hole has no time to start closing or accumulate blood (this technique provides a quicker recovery time). If you are on a budget then you won’t find any other doctor with the skills Dr. Arika (Eugenix) has charging 1.8€/graft w/tax. They do a technique called DHT which reduces the time the grafts stay out of body because they make all the holes/slits first and then proceed to extracting the grafts and immediately implanting them so they don’t stay out of the body for more than 30m. If you want a closer option then Dr.Laorwong in Bangkok is highly recommended and charges 2.6€/graft. Dr. Laorwong does the most recent technique DHI which is similar to stick&place. First he extracts the grafts then he uses implators pens that are loaded with the grafts, these pens make the slit/hole and implant the grafts at the same time. This reduces the handling of the graft and the doctor can make smaller holes that provide quicker recovery times. Demirsoy is cheap and only does 1 patient per day but he uses a older technique in which first they extract all the gratfs then make all slits/hole at once and after the technicians are in charge of implanting all the grafts. Demirsoy can do up to 4000 grafts per day with this technique the reason why he can charge just 1.25€/graft. This is the same technique used at ASMED but here the doctor has zero to little involvement so like @Abi28 said you are better choosing Demirsoy that only delegates implanting to techs and charges half the price of ASMED. Dr. Konior is considered the best in the world and does manual FUE with stick&place. Dr. Juan Couto is considered the Doctor with the most amazing results and does DHI (like all Spanish doctors). Technique is not as important as the Doctor because a bad doctor using a great technique will still get you a bad result. I advise you to chose a great doctor with a great technique and with real patients posting their amazing results. This is not like buying a car that you can change after a few years, this is a permanent medical surgery and you have a limited donor area so every graft is precious and should be used the best way by a highly skilled Doctor.

@miko I highly doubt HRN is deleting bad results threads for their affiliated Doctors. You said you went to ASMED at a time when they were doing 3 patients per day and several members claim ASMED is now doing 8 patients per day which makes it impossible for the Doctor to coordinate all of them. I believe greed might have taken over quality and this is the reason why today they are getting chunk load of money from 8 HT per day and have a higher rate of bad results.

@kapiper you must do more research here at HRN because there are many threads informing that Asmed and Hair of Instanbul are turkish hairmills with technicians doing surgery on 8 patients per day so your results will depend on the tech you get when you check-in at the hairmill. A technician at a hairmill could have been washing dishes at a restaurant 2 months before doing your surgery. Turkey is the world capital of botched hair transplants and there’s only 1 option in Turkey where you are almost certain to get a good result - HLC Ankara (2.7€/graft). They do manual FUE which is limited to 1500 grafts per day with a technique called stick&place which means they extract the grafts and then make 1 hole/slit and immediately implant the graft so that the hole has no time to start closing or accumulate fat or blood (this technique provides a quicker recovery time). If you are on a budget then you won’t find any other doctor with the skills Dr. Arika (Eugenix) has charging 1.8€/graft w/tax. They do a technique called DHT which reduces the time the grafts stay out of body because they make all the holes/slits first and then proceed to extracting the grafts and immediately implanting them so they don’t stay out of the body for more than 30m. If you want a closer option then Dr. Bruno Ferreira is in Porto and charges 2.5€/graft. He also works with one of the best FUE docs in the world Dr. Lorenzo in Madrid but there you pay double price. Dr. Ferreira does the most recent technique DHI which is similar to stick&place. First he extracts the grafts then he uses implators pens that are loaded with the grafts, these pens make the slit/hole and implant the grafts at the same time. This reduces the handling of the graft and the doctor can make smaller holes that provide quicker recovery times. Dr. Konior is considered the best in the world and does manual FUE with stick&place. Dr. Juan Couto is considered the Doctor with the most amazing results and does DHI (like all Spanish doctors). Technique is not as important as the Doctor because a bad doctor using a great technique will still get you a bad result. I advise you to chose a great doctor with a great technique and with real patients posting their amazing results. This is not like buying a car that you can change after a few years, this is a permanent medical surgery and you have a limited donor area so every graft is precious and should be used the best way by a highly skilled Doctor.

@Eden83 you should be looking at around 3500 grafts to rebuild the hairline and fill in the thinning crown. I do advise you to avoid YouTube, Instagram videos and clinic websites when choosing a clinic and focus on real patient results thread on forums like HRN to see the doctors that are getting consistently great results. If you are looking for options close to you I would advise Dr. Arika at Eugenix in India (1.8€/graft) or Dr. Laorwong in Thailand (2.6€/graft). If you are willing to travel further then look at Dr. Bruno Ferreira in Portugal (2.5€/graft). He also works with Dr. Lorenzo (one of the best in the world) at his clinic in Madrid. Your budget of 15k should also be enough to also consider some of the best in world like Dr. Feriduni (4 to 5€/graft) in Belgium and Dr. Muresanu (4,5€/graft) in Switzerland. You should ask the Doctors for a diagnosis and if you can’t decide between 2 doctors then a consultation in person is always the best way to go (I never could do that and had to decide based on the diagnosis I received from my photos and videos). Wish you all the best!

@Melvin-Moderator I understand the “unpopular” decisions you have to make to assure we all have this unbiased ad-free forum that everyone cherishes. What I took from the thread you mentioned was that unhappy patients and members were claiming that a promoted surgeon didn’t “fit the bill” but these former patients can in fact all be lying and members with no inside knowledge (like myself) can have this all wrong (reason why I asked you to confirm or deny the unhappy patients claims). I believe everyone comes here to learn and share their insights which is done by discussing freely but being able to do that means that sometimes these discussions can get heated especially when several very unhappy patients see the clinic responsable for their unhapiness being promoted and recommended. Also, you have to bear in mind that everyone is under social isolation (myself since March 13th) so people are gonna be on edge and might complain a bit louder than usual. Again thanks for making this community a ad-free, troll-free and free-speach environment.

@Melvin-Moderator you are doing great work as this is best forum for anyone considering a hair transplant! I must agree with @Dazed as I also haven’t encountered the negativity you mentioned only the occasional troll but you have always been quick to deal with them in a professional manner.

@Coady Dr. Reddy is the in the UK and he is really good! The only issue is that he charges the same as some of the best in the world like Feriduni, Muresanu, Lorenzo, Couto. What I think most HRN members say when talking about UK HT doctors is that the UK is too expensive for the quality offered (which doesn’t mean there aren’t doctors getting great results).

Why would someone pay 3£/graft at Dr. Arshad when Dr. Arika charges 1.5£/graft and gets better results? Is it because of the flight?

@GLHF you would be doing a public service keeping this thread because it shows other members like yourself the reality of the profit focused Turkish hairmills and how they are negligent and unethical towards their botched patients.

@elvispoem I would place HLC first because they do stick&place and they have been doing beard mega sessions for quite some time. Eugenix is also a safe bet.

@Melvin-Moderator @miko has repeatedly informed you that ASMED has been ignoring him for over a year, is Miko lying? @dust78 said he was told to speak with ASMED layers, is he lying and was in fact approached by the clinic to resolve his botched HT like you said above? The ASMED show will surely continue because we all watched @Melvin-Moderator videos warning us members to avoid Turkish hairmills so obviously we will call Melvin out when he recommends and defends those same unethical hairmills he warned us about! @Coady Demirsoy is not in the same league as HLC and Pekiner because these two operate using stick&place. This technique is more demanding because it requires the doctor to make one slit/hole at a time and immediately implant the graft. This limits the maximum number of grafts per day of surgery to 1500. Demirsoy can do up to 4000 grafts in one day of surgery because he does 4000 pre-made slits and then has the techs do the implanting. These are two totally different techniques and obviously stick&place is a much more skilled approach that demands more from to the surgeon. if you look here at HRN you will find that many of the best HT results are from Doctors using this technique (ex: Dr. Konior), it also offers a quicker recovery time. Cinik is a hairmill where your results depend on tech team you get when you arrive at the clinic (Russian Roulette).

@jonnyalex you are incorrect about “Free Spech” allowed at HRN because I have been warned by @Melvin-Moderator that I can’t talk about the Turkish doctor I chose for my second surgery because this doctor asked HRN to remove the thread with the one and only bad result he has online (which it obviously wasn’t removed and it’s still here for people to see he behaved ethically towards the patient), for giving discounts to use patients photos and for asking them to post their results on the forums if they have the time. These reasons were enough for my doctor to be banned from HRN and for his patients to be deprived of free speach at HRN. New patients can’t even post their results if they want to. It pains me to witness such discrimination at HRN! ASMED can threaten patients with lawyers and refuse to take any responsibility for botched hair transplants but instead of also being banned due to much serious negligent and unethical behavior they are actually being defended and promoted at HRN.

@Melvin-Moderator you were the one that said that a good doctor is measured by the way he handles a bad result and it seems obvious that ASMED was negligent towards several patients with bad results. Why do you only want us to focus on the patient that weren’t threatened with layers or handled negligently? Are you saying we just always focus on happy patients when researching clinics? I ask this because it’s a 180 degrees change on your own advice... @dust78 has now stated that ASMED is doing surgery on 8 patients per day so how can you assure that all of the 8 patients operated every day at ASMED will have a good chance of getting good results? You don’t know these 8 tech teams because you said earlier today that the member who stated ASMED was doing 8 patients per day was lying! I’m really concerned that pretty soon you will also be recommending Cinik all inclusive packages for tech run surgeries... These hairmills get a lot of revenue from having 8 or more patients per day and if they can now buy HRN it’s really a concern for me because this is supposed to be the most honest and unbiased forum!

@munich is the member that stated that ASMED is now a clinic that does tech run surgeries on 8 patients per day so I kindly ask @Melvin-Moderator to please confirm that @munich is lying and creating duplicate accounts. @dust78 stated ASMED told him to speak with their lawyers if wanted to go any further. Above @Melvin-Moderator stated there is no proof of this happening so I kindly ask you to please confirm if @dust78 is also lying. @miko stated that he has been stonewalled by ASMED for over a year despite @Melvin-Moderator coming to to ASMED defense saying he has approached them and all will be sorted, is @miko also lying? @Melvin-Moderator I told you in the other thread I was shocked when I read your comments defending this hairmill despite several members showing evidence of unethical behavior. If I’m wrong in believing these fellow members then please correct me. If these members are not lying should we just assume that HRN now values paying Doctors or clinics regardless of their unethical behavior over real patients/members? I say this because it would explain why instead of awarding a temporary ban to ASMED there was thread created by @Melvin-Moderator on May 1st promoting ASMED online consultations. I do hope HRN is still like when I signed up 12 years ago when this was a community for people suffering from hairloss and we all came here to read about HT experiences, look at real patients before&afters pictures and ask for honest and unbiased advice!

If I was on a budget I would go for Dr. Arika at Eugenix because at 1.8€/graft it will be impossible to find a cheaper doctor with great results and a skilled technique. Dr. Arika does DHT which is a similar technique to DHI in a way that it reduces handling of the graft and grafts are implanted immediately after being extracted. However, I don’t think she is involved in the whole surgery like Dr. Bruno and HLC Doctors.

@83mjs there’s another thread were several ASMED patients with bad results explained how they were threatened by lawyers and how the clinic behaved unethically. One ASMED patient stated that this hairmill is doing surgery on 8 patients per day so the results depend on the tech team. ASMED was a insanely overpriced hairmill at 2.5€/graft and now with the new price of 1.5€/graft it’s just a overpriced hairmill.

@GLHF if you want to have a low cost hair transplant with a good doctor then your only choice is Demirsoy (1.25€/graft). There is no other doctor doing 1 patient per day with decent real patients results at this price point. However, I advise you to listen to @HTHope and go to HLC (2.7€/graft) who are doing stick&place the same technique used by the FUE icon and most expensive doctor Raymond Konior or Dr. Bruno Ferreira who is the medical assistant to Dr. Lorenzo (one of the best in the world) but has his own clinic in Porto where he charges half price (2.5€/graft). He does DHI with Lion Implantor pens same as Dr. Juan Couto. If HLC and Dr. Ferreira are out of your budget then consider taking @paddyirishman advice and book Dr. Arika at Eugenix (1.8€/graft). The other clinics you mentioned are hairmills that do low cost tech run surgeries on 8 patients per day and your results will depend on the tech team you get when you check-in at the hairmill. Yaman is doing DHI with his modified implantor pen but I read a patient thread stating that Yaman opens the channels/holes before implantation which makes zero sense because the implantor pen is used in order for Doctors to be able to open the channel/hole and implant the graft at the same time (means less handling/trauma to the graft and scalp thus quicker recovery time). So why Yaman pre-opens the channels? Maybe to avoid young techs screwing up... Pre-made slits/channels/holes are a no go for me because the hole starts to close immediately after its open therefore the punch needs to have a wider diameter for pre-made slits, also pre-made slits stay open for hours accumulating fat and blood before having the grafts inserted. Basically this is a outdated technique that is mostly used by doctors that are not involved in the whole surgery and have to rely on techs. Search for real patient results from Yaman and you will find he has quite a few bad results and several unnatural ones. This is not like buying a car that you can change after a few years this is a permanent surgery that will deplete your limited and very precious grafts so I advise you to save just a bit more money and go to a Doctor that has consistent great results and is involved in the whole surgery.

@twruk why are limiting your options to the UK? If you read opinions in this forum you will find that people say the UK has only 1 decent doctor who is indeed Dr. Reddy but that for a cheaper price you go to a Doctor that gets better results. You seem to have very thin hair and need to find a Doctor that knows how to dense pack your front and eventually be prepared for miniaturized hairs. @Rolandas has smiliar hair consistency (maybe thinner) so I reccomend you to read his hair transplant thread on his experience with Dr. Bruno Ferreira in Porto/Portugal that charges 2.5€/graft. Other great option would be Dr. Ximena Villa (2.5€/graft) in Madrid. Dr. Ximena worked with Dr. Lorenzo a FUE Icon for many years before opening her clinic and has many patients posting their great results on the spanish forum recuperartupelo Dr. Bruno took over Dr. Ximena at Dr. Lorenzo`s clinic but he also operates at his clinic in Porto at half the price. I believe any of these two options will give you a better result at a much better price.

@Hakuna you only halfway and already have a excellent result. It will be even better when you reach the 12 months finish line!

Hello everyone, Tomorrow I reach 4 months post surgery so I took some photos to share with you guys. The left side of the crown seems to be taking longer to fill than the right. Hope this gets much better so I don’t have to consider a third HT or having to use Toppik everyday. Looking forward to your comments.

@Jimbo85 don’t be to harsh on @TrixGlendevon and remember that when you exchange PM (private messages) with members they might expect the messages to actually be private and not posted on a public thread. I can give you a example, the Doctor that did my second surgery is banned from HRN (for reasons many don’t understand) so I can only talk about him over private message and if someone where to post them on public threads they would upset the Admin of this forum.

@jimbobby even though Reddy is the most recommend surgeon for someone dead set on doing a HT in the UK the consensus here at HRN is to avoid the UK all together because the best option (Dr. Reddy) is over priced and cheaper surgeons like Ximena, Ferreira or even Eugenix are getting equal or better results.

@jimbobby the only option in the UK is Dr. Reddy but you have doctors getting better results at a lower price outside of the UK. Look into Dr. Bruno Ferreira (2.5€/graft) in Portugal and Dr. Ximena Villa (2.5€/graft) in Madrid. They both worked with the icon Dr. Lorenzo so they have the same technique which is DHI the only difference being that Dr Bruno does 1 patient per day and Dr. Ximena does 2 patients per day. You can check Dr. Ximena dozens of great results at the Spanish forum recuperartupelo. Dr. Bruno is still working at Dr. Lorenzo clinic so he’s not promoting his own clinic in Porto where he charges half the price of Lorenzo’s clinic (2.5€/graft instead of 5€) but you do have 1 result thread here at HRN from @Rolandas It will be difficult for you to find doctors with this highly skilled technique and experience charging this price. If you have extensive hairloss you should consider FUT and request a diagnosis to Feriduni and Hattingen who are the best in Europe for FUT (they also do FUE) but more expensive than Ximena and Bruno. If you are on a budget and don’t mind a flight to India then Dr. Arika at Eugenix (1.8€/graft w/tax) is getting great results and they are known as the best for FUE mega sessions. Wish you all the best with your research.

@Melvin-Moderator this person clearly joined HRN purposely to promote this Turkish Hairmill as he hasn’t written any other comment in this forum since he joined two days ago to promote his clinic. @in2deep please listen to @Egy because anyone can create a website on google and pay fake review farms in India a few bucks to get 200 5 Star reviews over the course of a few days. Also very easy to get before and after pictures of hair transplants and claim them as their own (very common practice in Turkey). Be smart and chose a Doctor with real patients posting their amazing results from the day of their surgery until 12 months after surgery.

Cinik charges all inclusive rate of 1500€ for up to 4000 grafts and there are several Cinik threads at HRN with good results so should Cinik also be recommended? Ofcourse not! This is another hairmill like ASMED doing tech run surgeries on more than 8 patients per day so the results depend on how lucky people are to get a good tech team. Like @TrixGlendevon said, the risk is to high for any reasonable person to recommend hairmills (like ASMED and lower priced Cinik) that have techs do surgery on 8 or more patients per day.