When Did Price Become The Most Important?

[didit07]

1 hour ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Took the words out of my mouth. 
@fabofly take a look a @Doron Harati thread, he almost died at a low cost clinic. Also, these “YouTubers” are undercover reps. They get paid to get customers to go to the clinic, just ask Doron, he will tell you.

Hi Melvin that is a shockingly dismissive opinion. These are regularly black dudes from the states/UK you have gone to turkey, they dont even have referral codes or discounts. They have documented their journey from Day 0 to 18 months in some cases. The amount of black men sharing their journey exploded early 2019 prior to that you could find maybe two videos on youtube of black men who got transplants. Some of these guys I remain in contact with and chat here and there on best practices pre and post surgery. 

I am not going to talk about transplants for non black hair as I didnt research that but I have a strong feeling you are very ignorant when it comes to black hair.

[Melvin- Admin]

11 minutes ago, fabofly said:

Hi Melvin that is a shockingly dismissive opinion. These are regularly black dudes from the states/UK you have gone to turkey, they dont even have referral codes or discounts. They have documented their journey from Day 0 to 18 months in some cases. The amount of black men sharing their journey exploded early 2019 prior to that you could find maybe two videos on youtube of black men who got transplants. Some of these guys I remain in contact with and chat here and there on best practices pre and post surgery. 

I am not going to talk about transplants for non black hair as I didnt research that but I have a strong feeling you are very ignorant when it comes to black hair.

I’m telling you the truth, I’m aware the differences in black hair, and that’s why it’s even more important to do your due diligence. Just be weary that a lot of these YouTubers are undercover agents. If you’ve made your decision, I’m not gonna try dissuade you, wish you luck. 

[Gasthoerer]

8 hours ago, karatekid said:

How do those 3 examples prove anything?

At least they prove that a lot of multies are planted in the first row 😉

Jokes, aside: I have seen way better (=more natural) results in this very forum. 

 

[Melvin- Admin]

Just for comparison look at these results, they look indistinguishable from his native hair, excellent planning and execution.

 

[Doron Harati]

@Melvin-Moderator is correct 100%!

Afro HT is more demanding and more risky, Afro vs Caucasian hair, don't have many grafts at the donor, the curly dense hair sure can cover the bolding area with great density, BUT Afro grafts are much harder to punch and easier can get more scars, that's why many pro level clinics deny Afro HTs, the one's who accept sometimes ask extra fee, most cases if an Afro get a failed processe with generic mechanical punch, it's game over for life, can't be repaired anywhere.

The Turkish cheap clinics will say whatever you wanna hear, they "experts" about everything, I even know ppl with HIV that were told by Turkish clinics "Yes we do HIV no problem, we experts with HIV carriers bla bla bla...", while legit clinics (also in Turkey) deny HIV carriers.

@Didi88 had afro HT at a cheap Turkish clinic, maybe ask him how he feels about it? Ask him if he can do repair HT.

My story of my 1st HT at a cheap Turkish clinic and my 2nd repair HT by Dr. Maras at HDV in Cyprus, you watch my story at the YouTube link:

 

 

[HTHope]

On 7/19/2020 at 12:09 PM, aaron1234 said:

I remember when I joined this forum (around 2006).  I was so clueless and thought the members here were just a bunch of HT snobs/purists/know-it-alls.  I mean, you're taking a follicular unit and moving it.  How hard can that be?  They all warned me that there were only a select group of surgeons I should even consider and I was like "yah whatever".  I ended up going to a surgeon recommended by the website so I wasn't butchered, but it was still mediocre work with multi's in the hairline and cobblestoning.  He was the cheapest option for me at the time, the main reason I went to him. 

I understand that HT's are expensive, especially with elite surgeons.  But if you spend $2 per graft on thousands of grafts and you have 50% yield then you are not only losing out on the money but also the donor hairs which are extremely valuable as there's a limited supply of them.  Also consider that you might need to pay for corrective surgery from a pricier surgeon.  In the end, you would have been better off going to the more expensive (but more competent) surgeon in the first place.  

who was your first surgeon? they were recommended by this site?

[Melvin- Admin]

5 minutes ago, HTHope said:

who was your first surgeon? they were recommended by this site?

Dr. Gencheff, it’s all listed in his signature, he hasn’t been recommended in ages for obvious reasons. Don’t know if he even practices still. 

[didit07]

4 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Just for comparison look at these results, they look indistinguishable from his native hair, excellent planning and execution.

 

This is a terrible example because he had the purest and easiest case of hair loss(receding not diffusing.) 

[aaron1234]

3 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Dr. Gencheff, it’s all listed in his signature, he hasn’t been recommended in ages for obvious reasons. Don’t know if he even practices still. 

Yup, that's right.  I think I was like the only patient of his online.  Big mistake on my part.  He retired many, many years ago.  

[Runandy]

Do your research! Supply and demand drives the cost in Turkey. Go to a reputable clinic there if you do choose Turkey. The idea that a HT should set someone back 20k or more should be seen as something of the past. The mystique and novelty of it should wear off to where the surgery becomes more common and not just for those who are wealthy. Gone should be the day where clinics gouge patient’s pocketbooks because they can playing on their insecurities. I stopped visiting these boards mainly because I felt I could get better information elsewhere, felt it was biased towards the clinics it panders to, and I could see way more real life cases that poured in daily and I could follow their progress. 

[Runandy]

On 7/20/2020 at 9:57 AM, Melvin-Moderator said:

I don’t understand this mindset. So you’d only invest in yourself it was 2,000? Bet your car cost more than 10,000 when it was new, but that depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.

I always tell guys, if you cant afford a decent surgeon don’t  get one. If you’re not willing to save to invest in yourself, definitely don’t get one. 

The fact that you equate getting a HT to buying a car is one of the most elitist and hopefully soon to be outdated mindsets. It’s an accessibility issue. You’re mindset is not accessible to the average person.  I’m so happy I did my research and went to a reputable clinic in Turkey and being 6 months in, beyond ecstatic with my results and I don’t have to worry about my hair anymore. Did I take a risk. Yes. You only live once and I’m not going to be 20k in debt for hair. 

[Melvin- Admin]

9 minutes ago, Runandy said:

The fact that you equate getting a HT to buying a car is one of the most elitist and hopefully soon to be outdated mindsets. It’s an accessibility issue. You’re mindset is not accessible to the average person.  I’m so happy I did my research and went to a reputable clinic in Turkey and being 6 months in, beyond ecstatic with my results and I don’t have to worry about my hair anymore. Did I take a risk. Yes. You only live once and I’m not going to be 20k in debt for hair. 

I’m glad it worked out for you, but for thousands it doesn’t. Not only do they spend thousands more to get it fixed, they end up out thousands of grafts, which can’t be replaced. Donor supply is not infinite my friend. 

[Gatsby]

4 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I’m glad it worked out for you, but for thousands it doesn’t. Not only do they spend thousands more to get it fixed, they end up out thousands of grafts, which can’t be replaced. Donor supply is not infinite my friend. 

That's something some people need to realize. Without a donor supply you won't be able to have a hair transplant or in the case of many botched ones from Turkey even less donor to repair. You want to give yourself the maximum chance of coming out with the best results possible. That's just not going to happen if you are one of ten or more patients being worked on in just one day. 

[Guy73]

I believe it’s more important to research the equipment and technique the doctors are using. Also if you are getting hands on by doctors in all steps. Everyone scalp is different and hair type. Anyone can get a bad result even at H&W. Just because something cost more does not mean it better. I don’t even want to say what I paid, people just wouldn’t believe me. Lol 

[Melvin- Admin]

3 hours ago, Guy73 said:

I believe it’s more important to research the equipment and technique the doctors are using. Also if you are getting hands on by doctors in all steps. Everyone scalp is different and hair type. Anyone can get a bad result even at H&W. Just because something cost more does not mean it better. I don’t even want to say what I paid, people just wouldn’t believe me. Lol 

That is my very point, I’m not saying an expensive hair transplant = better. I’m saying you need to research the surgeon and their results first, then look at price. Price will always be a factor, but it should never be the factor.

There are good surgeons that are cheaper, especially if you’re willing to travel outside the states, but it’s shouldn’t be automatically Turkey, that’s usually the worst place to go. 

[asterix0]

It is a difficult situation for sure. If you have limited financial means, your hair is really bothering you, you see a way out that you can afford, and some additional clever internet marketing lures you in. 

If a place is low cost I wouldn't automatically dismiss it, but without full transparency and due diligence with their outcomes, I think the risk is too big. Go work another part time job for six months, do anything, because I think the risks of a failed transplant, lost grafts and butchered donor is worth way more than five or ten thousand dollars. 

Not to even mention opportunity cost of just living and enjoying your life. If you need a repair transplant, that is another year of your life waiting for another result to finalize, then the whole stress of booking another surgery, going through the ordeal all over again. 

It just doesn't seem worth it no matter how I think about it.

 

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by asterix0

[Doron Harati]

Turkey 🇹🇷 and Georgia 🇬🇪 are the worst places for black market medical tourism, USA in general is very expensive when it comes to plastic\ecstatics surgeries, so if a paitent wants to pay less for  pro level HT, should check clinics in Europe or India.

BTW, ppl should be aware that there are big scams in Europe too, some of the clinics like in Sweden, Germany, ect, belong to Turkish illegal "specalists".

[Melvin- Admin]

30 minutes ago, asterix0 said:

It is a difficult situation for sure. If you have limited financial means, your hair is really bothering you, you see a way out that you can afford, and some additional clever internet marketing lures you in. 

If a place is low cost I wouldn't automatically dismiss it, but without full transparency and due diligence with their outcomes, I think the risk is too big. Go work another part time job for six months, do anything, because I think the risks of a failed transplant, lost grafts and butchered donor is worth way more than five or ten thousand dollars. 

Not to even mention opportunity cost of just living and enjoying your life. If you need a repair transplant, that is another year of your life waiting for another result to finalize, then the whole stress of booking another surgery, going through the ordeal all over again. 

It just doesn't seem worth it no matter how I think about it.

 

 

Well said, I completely agree. Russian roulette with your head, never a good idea. 

[Britanium]

Here in Uk there are precious few decent places to get a HT. worse than that is you will pay a ridiculous amount of £££ for a hairmill/poor procedure.

There are no “nice price” clinics here, just over expensive ones.

I can think of just 3 decent places and that’s it. So unfortunately people from the UK do seek elsewhere. If they come across this forum great, If they do go elsewhere sometimes it’s too late.

[TorontoMan]

I’m happy I didn’t have enough money the first time I consulted with a random doctor Downtown Toronto. He had a proper clinic but was a general plastic surgeon and had little to no experience with transplants, he would have done fucked my shit up. At the time I was sold and convinced with them. But when they hit me the 12k price tag, I realized I couldn’t get it done yet. Eventually I started researching, and realized that if I was able to get it then, he would have seriously fucked me up. Not even him, his artras machine and a tech 

[Melvin- Admin]

15 minutes ago, TorontoMan said:

I’m happy I didn’t have enough money the first time I consulted with a random doctor Downtown Toronto. He had a proper clinic but was a general plastic surgeon and had little to no experience with transplants, he would have done fucked my shit up. At the time I was sold and convinced with them. But when they hit me the 12k price tag, I realized I couldn’t get it done yet. Eventually I started researching, and realized that if I was able to get it then, he would have seriously fucked me up. Not even him, his artras machine and a tech 

😂😂😂

[Rolandas]

I will just add my 2 cents.

Due to increased exposure of cheap HT on social media, more and more people think they can get one done as well as the prices are much affordable compared to good clinics around the world.

I remember 5 years back If someone would tell me to get HT I would think I won't be able to afford it due to price. It was something only limited amount of people could get. Nowadays everyone knows you can get it done in turkey for $2000 if not cheaper, so more people start to imagine their life with full set of hair and how it will solve all of their problems. Once this "seed" is planted in their brain, they become obsessed with HT and obviously looking at places they can afford.

The sad part about it they don't want to do their research and see what's the reality of majority of cheaper options out there. I've seen countless of people going to cheaper places and ending up with unnatural looking hairlines and donor depletion just after few thousands of grafts...

That being said, I've seen amazing results from cheaper clinics as well as botched ones from expensive ones. Price is not a parameter of quality.

My understanding - if someone didn't do their research and rushed into it - it's their fault. It's the same in any other parts of life.

Edited July 24, 2020 by Rolandas

[Melvin- Admin]

True, there are quality places that are affordable, but of course affordable is different for everyone. I recently saw someone mention that a surgeon who charges $2.5 per graft is not low-cost. Unfortunately, for that person, they probably can’t afford a decent surgeon, 

At some point, you have to understand that you will not be getting a good hair transplant for pennies, it’s not logical. Sure, you may see some guys on YouTube who paid 1,500 for 5,000 grafts. They got lucky, they are the exception, not the norm. 

[Runandy]

That’s just not true. There are thousands of guys that get a quality hair transplant at a lower cost clinic. It would be interesting to see what the percentage rate of unsuccessful (can be subjective) hair transplants between lower cost compared to higher cost. The lower cost clinics typically perform 2x, 3x, 4x’s more surgeries than the higher cost. Consequently, there will be a higher number of failed transplants in lower cost clinics due to the sheer number of surgeries they perform. The percentage rate is what is important. 

[Rolandas]

7 minutes ago, Runandy said:

That’s just not true. There are thousands of guys that get a quality hair transplant at a lower cost clinic. It would be interesting to see what the percentage rate of unsuccessful (can be subjective) hair transplants between lower cost compared to higher cost. The lower cost clinics typically perform 2x, 3x, 4x’s more surgeries than the higher cost. Consequently, there will be a higher number of failed transplants in lower cost clinics due to the sheer number of surgeries they perform. The percentage rate is what is important. 

I guess the main question is, would you personally be happy to be one of those smaller percentage to be screwed up? I understand you would say there's a chance to be screwed by top docs as well, but where the actual doctor is doing every surgery, there will be consistency, while in places where they do 3-4 + patients a day, it's more like a gambling.

In the end, it's up to individual preference. Some people really like gambling. Just saying