Why Dr Cinik is Bad ?

[MachoVato]

2 minutes ago, Sleeplessinsf said:

I wouldn't mind either country, I can even make a trip out of it, is either close in pricing to a leading doctor in Turkey like Pekiner ?

My goodness, absolutely. 

Spain: Dr. Ximena Vila, Dr. Rafael de Freitas (a personal favorite), BHR Malaga (part of Dr. Bisanga's network)

Portugal: Dr. Bruno Pinto, Dr. Bruno Ferreira

I'd pick any of these over Pekiner. And they are about the same price 2.5 - 3.0 per graft.

[Sleeplessinsf]

2 minutes ago, MachoVato said:

My goodness, absolutely. 

Spain: Dr. Ximena Vila, Dr. Rafael de Freitas (a personal favorite), BHR Malaga (part of Dr. Bisanga's network)

Portugal: Dr. Bruno Pinto, Dr. Bruno Ferreira

I'd pick any of these over Pekiner. And they are about the same price 2.5 - 3.0 per graft.

Thank you buddy, do you know who of those above would do a BHT with the FUE ?

[MachoVato]

7 minutes ago, Sleeplessinsf said:

Thank you buddy, do you know who of those above would do a BHT with the FUE ?

I'm sure they all do beard hair. I'd submit your photos to all of them for an evaluation and with BHT questions. Some have a waiting list 6 months out, so you need to plan in advance.

[Melvin- Admin]

49 minutes ago, Sleeplessinsf said:

Thank you so much for this list! How come Pekiner is not on it ?

Also Dr. Taleb Barghouthi is interesting to me, anyone on the forum recommend him ? My mother lives in Amman, Jordan and will check him out. 

He is one of the most ethical doctors i've ever met, he is definitely worth consulting with, he does all the work himself and is doing great work. 

[Strugglehair]

 

I am not a representative of the doctor,What happened to him could have happened to any doctor.

it's a surgery and it has some risks,a doctor who has been in this community for years.

a well-known and successful doctor in Europe.

[Britanium]

This seems to have gone off topic. But going back to the title of the thread… Dr Cinik isn’t the one doing the procedures 99% of the time. At most he will do the channel opening if you pay the extra. Best case scenario? You choose Dr Cinik (top option) and your lucky enough to get his sister and her team as the techs! But still be prepared for possible over harvesting and multis in the hairline (no escaping that) as well as all the other issues that can possibly happen.

You pulled out some results, some of which are ok but others are not even complete and they still has there own concerns. I’m not sure why you would be so adamant in choosing him despite all the previous information been given by some of the most experienced members here. If you go ahead then it’s your choice at the end of the day. With options such as Bicer, Demirsoy and Yaman as better options (still low cost) I can’t see any reason to risk your finite donor area. Some people have been lucky, but do you really want to chance your head with luck?

10-20 hts a day of course their will be the occasional ok results. But the vast majority? Nope. Repair jobs are very common. Same could be said for other hair mills or even chain clinics. 

[blackislback]

On 11/1/2021 at 6:44 PM, Melvin- Moderator said:

Because it’s Russian roulette with your head. 

Right definition for hairmill clinics

[blackislback]

I have a feeling that we have a situation here, that the OP has already booked Cinic Clinic, and now trying to convince himself and others, that it is a great choice.

Sorry, but it's not, because the vast majority of people only look at finances when choosing a doctor, and then those options 1.5-2-3k eur max, which are usually the prices of hairmill clinics are great for them, and then fall on the story pictures from FB, INST, YT , where this type of clinic sets the best cases of candidates who had a super donor area, and a great chance get such results will be good, but you will rarely find pictures of candidates with a worse donor area, and the results of such patients, usually set by top clinics ...

I mean here the logic is very simple, someone can not be a top clinic, a doctor, if he does not appreciate himself, in terms of any number of gafts, 2-3-4-5k to offer for 1.5-3k, means that such an offer in 99% the situation implies that you will not see a doctor there, but of questionable quality technicians, and play the lottery, it may be an ok result - and it may not be, 50-50% chance, anyone normal, smart, will not allow himself to be 50-50% chances of ok result or destruction of donor area.

It has been stated many times here on the forum that it is better not to do HT, if we are going to limit ourselves with finances when choosing a doctor, but that it is better to be patient sometimes with an extra 1-2y, and instead of those 1.5-3k, spend 5-10k and then find the right doctor based on his results-quality-recommendation-practice-policy of work!

These doctors who do not "take off" from social networks, fb, inst, yt, with their fake-artificial big smiles with bleached teeth , and in the career of "surgeon" did not go further than writing a prescription for Paracetamol for flu, because many of these doctors have never been surgeons, already general practitioners, but persistently put the title "doctor", but a doctor of what, Ophthalmology, Psychiatry, Orthopedics, you will rarely see a doctor-specialist in plastic surgery, or any branch of surgery to have in their backround, but only cheaters who sell the story dr. and with fake smiles lure hopeless people, so at least if you don't have to go to such clinics, where 5-20x people work a day, you'll not see those doctors from advertises of course, but technicians, then at least choose a solid doctor who does 1-2x operations max. per day, and if you do not currently have a sufficient budget, wait until you raise money, because this is done 1x in a lifetime, and if done badly, the consequences are far-reaching!

When someone destroys your donor area, you are in a very difficult situation to repair the first HT! And there is no UNDO operation, but you live with it, you suffer, you don't feel ok, etc.!

A true professionalist doctor and moral will never accept to work with a patient with a bad donor situation, dr. Cinic accepts such patients without any problems, ie. his recruiters, offering fairy tales and "super" results, and when the operation happens, and problems arise after that, there is no more quick writing and response to Whatsapp, but you will be ignored as homeless on street!

So all of you who look at Dr. Cinic's prices as number 1 reason of your choice, think about all this and then decide what is an ok choice and what is not!

[blackislback]

7 hours ago, Strugglehair said:

 

I am not a representative of the doctor,What happened to him could have happened to any doctor.

it's a surgery and it has some risks,a doctor who has been in this community for years.

a well-known and successful doctor in Europe.

We can't know that, as you registered yesterday, and whole time repeat same advertising words "well.known and successfull doctor in Europe" !

Successfull in what? cheating people? 0 post-care support? When good cases is easy to be support, but good support we really see when bad results, and help patient and not leave him, as we saw here few cases, where by dr. Cinik was 0 support, else repeating words "wait 12 months, then contact me" in same way as you repeat he is well doctor!

Do you like to yourself happen same experience? Sure, no! No one like be 1 of those such cases, and ok if happens bad case, it happens, but leaving patient without support and help = non moral, non professional, and those is not "well" doctor as you write whole time! That make difference harimill clinics vs top clinics, in way of support too, at top clinics they will not leave you alone, even not well results, and will give their max to fix problem.

So, we can say any surgery, "it's surgery" and use that as excuse for any bad done by clinic-doctor, serious clinic-doctor take responsibility any problem, hairmill like dr. Cinis all he does  = ignore messages by patients who get bad results! And that Cinics mostly not perform HT, in 1 of packages which cost 2.8k euros, they offer something like opening channels only, and they call it "most important part" ,  but only opening channels isnt most important, but opening channels + extraction grafts are 2 most important parts, cause if over-harvested donor area, that's non-repairable later, and these 2 parts doctor needs to do by himself, or at least control whole time of surgery this part, but that will never happen at Cinic clinics,as they do 10-15x HT per day, and doctor Cinic can't handle such monitoring for more than 2-3 patients, 15x  no way...

So, based on this, you'll still continue say is "well known successfull" , as you get above facts about Cinic clinic!

Cinic is nothing more than business-guy, who only care about numbers-money, and patients are threated as numbers, nothing more. Sure i dont say there will not be good results, as we see solid, but its 60-70 vs 30% , no one like to be in these 30%,  that's why HRN members suggest to people who dont want risk much, choose recommended clinics, where at least will not be over-harvested donor area, bad hairline, wrong done hairline, un-nautral, etc etc. , at least these things will be avoid by choice of recommended clinics and not hairmill like Cinic clinic.

 

[Strugglehair]

 

You get what you pay for

[akmhtc]

thank you all for your opinion .i didn't booked with cinik and i will not , now i am trying to connecting with dr Dr. Taleb Barghouthi and i will see what's going to happenied

[Gatsby]

Dr Taleb Barghouthi posts often on this forum with sage advice. You’ve picked an excellent surgeon in my humble opinion.

[Ajamilo]

On 11/2/2021 at 4:50 PM, pomloe said:

Melvin I believe Dr. Mwamba is one of the best kept secrets in the hair transplant industry. He doesn't do much promotion and his website is not that great, but he is really a pioneer of fit farming. Also if I am not mistaken his mentor and teacher was Dr. Bisanga.

Yes I was told to wait a few more months because my procedure with Cinik was still under a year ago, but I plan on fixing my hairline, doing some donor restocking with BHT fit farming to homogenize the donor better and depending on the price and availability of grafts I would like to finish my crown area.

Since I'm in USA I read Mwamba goes to Atlanta every month to perform surgeries but his U.S. prices are a little bit higher compared to his Belgium prices. 

Just from the research I did I personally believe Dr. Mwamba (Belgium) and Dr. Lorenzo (Spain) are the two absolute best when it comes to donor repair with BHT fit farming from all the results I have seen from them.

I believe with a donor fit farming and adding some SMP at the end my donor will look almost as it before I got a hair transplant, as I like to keep a high skin fade. Once again @mustang thread gave me so much hope and motivation, you have no idea how hard these months have been after getting a botched transplant from Cinik and getting no support professionally or ethically from his clinic. So thank you to Mustang for telling about Dr. Mwamba!! Also @Melvin- Moderator I apologize for all those Cinik threads that I created without providing too much of my pictures, (I did post them but then deleted them) I have just been so self concious and embarrassed. However when I get my repair from Dr. Mwamba I will gladly post all my before and after pictures, as well as the original pictures from my Cinik transplant. 

When I was there 4 months ago, he told me that Bissanga sends over the difficulty cases to him. it tells everything so you are in safe hands 

[Britanium]

2 hours ago, akmhtc said:

thank you all for your opinion .i didn't booked with cinik and i will not , now i am trying to connecting with dr Dr. Taleb Barghouthi and i will see what's going to happenied

Great news 😊 a much better choice ! @DrTBarghouthidoes fantastic work and Is very active here on the forum. 

[DrTBarghouthi]

On 11/3/2021 at 12:49 AM, Sleeplessinsf said:

Thank you so much for this list! How come Pekiner is not on it ?

Also Dr. Taleb Barghouthi is interesting to me, anyone on the forum recommend him ? My mother lives in Amman, Jordan and will check him out. 

Thank you for the mention. I will be more than happy to assist you or her via direct messaging or through here. Our details are available on the signature footer. 

[DrTBarghouthi]

5 hours ago, akmhtc said:

thank you all for your opinion .i didn't booked with cinik and i will not , now i am trying to connecting with dr Dr. Taleb Barghouthi and i will see what's going to happenied

Thank you. I’ll be more than happy to assist by contacting us directly by email or whatsapp or even through the forum if you prefer. 

[RandoBrando517]

8 hours ago, akmhtc said:

thank you all for your opinion .i didn't booked with cinik and i will not , now i am trying to connecting with dr Dr. Taleb Barghouthi and i will see what's going to happenied

He’s legit, been on the forum for a while super helpful 

[blackislback]

11 hours ago, Strugglehair said:

 

You get what you pay for

It must not be a rule here at hair transplant area, as there is x clinics in Turkey or elsewhere who charge much, and results poor.

More appropriate for hair transplat is you get what you choose, and process of selecting right doctor anyone need take serious and research more, and not only based on finance, but more on results and recommendation of other HRN's members, and their experiences, that's why at HRN exist part with "Recommended clinics-doctors".

[Sleeplessinsf]

On 11/4/2021 at 12:54 AM, akmhtc said:

thank you all for your opinion .i didn't booked with cinik and i will not , now i am trying to connecting with dr Dr. Taleb Barghouthi and i will see what's going to happenied

Hi @akmhtc

Before I found this forum I contracted a few Turkish clinics and thanks to this community I’m only going to work with a reputable doctor. I’m attaching the pathetic “consultation” that I got from Cinik’s clinic!

I made contact with Dr Taleb Barghouthi and having a consultation with him this evening.

[Rocketman1]

My thread was mentoined in this thread as i had my surgery done at Cinik. I was there also a second time in March this year.

I think you have to consider several individual points of every patient... here is my point:

I'm a NW7 - so nothing to lose. OK, some will say i have my intact donor to lose. Bu the fact is i would never grow out my donor and would have kept shaving my head my whole life as it also kind of suited me.

Now, having "nothing to lose" and limited financial rsources available i choosed the (probably-maybe not) best of the hair mills, but yes still a hair mill and it was the risk i took knowing to end uop satisfied or botched.

Another relevant point for me was my expectation: I knew i was never ever going to end up with a full head of hair. I would have been happy to get enough coverage in order to work it out with concealers and that'a what i reachefd and i'm super happy. I have to use Toppik every day but i have a full head of hair! Before i was just a bald head. That's why i think is difficult to tell people generally that they are not a good candidate for a transplant.

Another point was the poor resuslts also from so caled "Top Surgeons"...  there are people which have spent 20-30k on a transplant and the overall result is not really much better than some results from Cinik.

The summary of all mentioned points brought me to the decision that this is the right way for me to go and actually was also the right way. Paying two times 20-30k with maybe having a slightly better result was not worth it for me as for my starting point i consider myself now much more happier than before the surgeries...

Now my last point: If i would have been lets say a NW2 i would have never gone to Cinik. I would have gone to a top surgeon and concentrate on the bald hairline only but my expectation level, paying 8-10k for 2000 grafts would have been 110%! 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Rocketman1

[akmhtc]

thank you all

[Marcinoso32]

I regret that I did not find this forum earlier and I did not read this thread. I was a victim of this hairmill. Marketing is good everywhere ... It's really easy to fall into the trap.

[Britanium]

32 minutes ago, Marcinoso32 said:

I regret that I did not find this forum earlier and I did not read this thread. I was a victim of this hairmill. Marketing is good everywhere ... It's really easy to fall into the trap.

Yup sometimes we spend time helping people to steer clear and they still end up choosing a mill. Other times it’s too late and the damage is done. 

[Gatsby]

10 minutes ago, JC71 said:

Yup sometimes we spend time helping people to steer clear and they still end up choosing a mill. Other times it’s too late and the damage is done. 

This ^

[general-etwan]

On 11/2/2021 at 9:34 AM, Legend007 said:

U not very smart if you think this is a easy procedure . Sure it’s not as life threatening like a heart transplant 😝

it’s a surgical procedure that punctures ur skull .

 

You're not very smart either apparently lol