Very High Density forehead reduction (3361 grafts)

[JoeMan]

2 minutes ago, Fue3361 said:

Yup.  With those 4 ingredients.

Very interesting, thanks for the information! Makes more sense this way.

I was thinking you took full dosage of all of this for 3 months...

I pictured a sex craved, Ugly Duckling, Hair shedding maniac running around town with a endless stamina 🤣 

[Fue3361]

1 hour ago, JoeMan said:

Very interesting, thanks for the information! Makes more sense this way.

I was thinking you took full dosage of all of this for 3 months...

I pictured a sex craved, Ugly Duckling, Hair shedding maniac running around town with a endless stamina 🤣 

Haha, nah.  The dosages were quite mild (for the cialis and viagra).  The minoxidil dosage was quite standard.  Can't remember the arganine.

As for sex craved, nah, just more random boners, and harder time finishing during sex (lasting longer, mostly less sensitive).

[Curious25]

32 minutes ago, Fue3361 said:

Haha, nah.  The dosages were quite mild (for the cialis and viagra).  The minoxidil dosage was quite standard.  Can't remember the arganine.

As for sex craved, nah, just more random boners, and harder time finishing during sex (lasting longer, mostly less sensitive).

What were the dosages for each? 5mg cialis, 5mg oral Minox? 

[Fue3361]

3 hours ago, Curious25 said:

What were the dosages for each? 5mg cialis, 5mg oral Minox? 

5mg Viagra, 5mg Cialis, 3mg Arginine, 2.5mg Minoxidil, daily use for 3 months.  It's his protocol only for people with ultra high density.  He doesn't prescribe this for normal or dense pack.  

[MachoVato]

If I get another transplant, I'm definitely taking Cialis daily. Great way to improve graft survival.

Who am I kidding? I'm taking it daily now! Random wood is always fun! LOL!

[John1991]

On 4/6/2022 at 12:35 PM, NARMAK said:

OP, i still can't believe that's at 7 months but the fact that you have like 70+ cm/2 grafts is probably why it also looks so damn dense and natural. 

Out of curiosity, have you been able to maybe do another graft count to see how the survival rate has been? That's always been a concern most people cite with higher density but the fact you have near on enough to the native density in a single procedure still astounds me. 

I will have a dig through the thread but do you mind sharing the cost? 

 

If OP's native hairline density was very high (as it clearly was), then this transplant likely matched or exceeded it in density.  A study conducted on 14 men who were all free of any signs of hair loss showed the FU/cm squared in the frontal hairline ranged from 38-78.  The average was 52 FU/cm squared.  This pretty well explains why dense packing of 50+ FU/cm squared in the hairline tends to look very good - it is roughly the average hairline density of adult males without hair loss.  The notion that you can only transplant 50% of the native density (and that that will achieve good results) may hold true, but to get more than just an illusion (but a result that restores an individual to non-hair loss levels of density) it seems more than 50% is needed.  Obviously donor area and extensiveness of hair loss come into play and this is why many people never achieve non-hair loss levels of density in their hairlines (or anywhere else).  If you look at the best hairline results, they're all 50-60 FU/cm squared. And this one was apparently even denser and is actually at the very extreme of density that even hairlines in nature produce.

Edited April 11, 2022 by John1991

[Fue3361]

On 4/11/2022 at 5:02 PM, John1991 said:

 

If OP's native hairline density was very high (as it clearly was), then this transplant likely matched or exceeded it in density.  A study conducted on 14 men who were all free of any signs of hair loss showed the FU/cm squared in the frontal hairline ranged from 38-78.  The average was 52 FU/cm squared.  This pretty well explains why dense packing of 50+ FU/cm squared in the hairline tends to look very good - it is roughly the average hairline density of adult males without hair loss.  The notion that you can only transplant 50% of the native density (and that that will achieve good results) may hold true, but to get more than just an illusion (but a result that restores an individual to non-hair loss levels of density) it seems more than 50% is needed.  Obviously donor area and extensiveness of hair loss come into play and this is why many people never achieve non-hair loss levels of density in their hairlines (or anywhere else).  If you look at the best hairline results, they're all 50-60 FU/cm squared. And this one was apparently even denser and is actually at the very extreme of density that even hairlines in nature produce.

That's very interesting.  Had no idea hairline have such lower density compared to normal hair in rest of scalp.  Almost seems off to me.

[Curious25]

On 4/12/2022 at 12:02 AM, John1991 said:

 

If OP's native hairline density was very high (as it clearly was), then this transplant likely matched or exceeded it in density.  A study conducted on 14 men who were all free of any signs of hair loss showed the FU/cm squared in the frontal hairline ranged from 38-78.  The average was 52 FU/cm squared.  This pretty well explains why dense packing of 50+ FU/cm squared in the hairline tends to look very good - it is roughly the average hairline density of adult males without hair loss.  The notion that you can only transplant 50% of the native density (and that that will achieve good results) may hold true, but to get more than just an illusion (but a result that restores an individual to non-hair loss levels of density) it seems more than 50% is needed.  Obviously donor area and extensiveness of hair loss come into play and this is why many people never achieve non-hair loss levels of density in their hairlines (or anywhere else).  If you look at the best hairline results, they're all 50-60 FU/cm squared. And this one was apparently even denser and is actually at the very extreme of density that even hairlines in nature produce.

That’s really interesting, I’ve never came across such data in the hair loss industry before - I’d be interested to hear from some of the surgeons on here as to what their thoughts are on this. 

[John1991]

6 hours ago, Fue3361 said:

That's very interesting.  Had no idea hairline have such lower density compared to normal hair in rest of scalp.  Almost seems off to me.

According to that study, the rest of the scalp isn't as dense as is generally assumed either.  This actually makes sense to me.  For instance, I look at your hairline and there's absolutely no way that the average guy (loss or none) has a denser hairline than you do.  Yours is clearly well above average density wise.

[Fue3361]

21 hours ago, John1991 said:

According to that study, the rest of the scalp isn't as dense as is generally assumed either.  This actually makes sense to me.  For instance, I look at your hairline and there's absolutely no way that the average guy (loss or none) has a denser hairline than you do.  Yours is clearly well above average density wise.

Density of my donor area when it was measured right before surgery (on the sides) was high 90s I believe.

[Scream]

How did you find the anesthetic injection pain to be?

[Fue3361]

2 hours ago, Scream said:

How did you find the anesthetic injection pain to be?

I was sedated.  IV in arm was painless.  Zero pain at all, just woke up to all the work completed.  My last memory was getting the IV put into my arm.

[Fue3361]

2 hours ago, blast said:

Really? I have not heard of that until now. How long was your surgery? That's a long time to be out for... did they have an anesthetist?

Yes.  They have a dedicated anesthesiologist (that I pay for separately).  The team working on me was somewhere between 10 and 12 people (including anesthesiologist).  

I was about somewhere between 6-7 hours I believe.  Can't recall exact time.

But one thing to consider, they don't intubate, so I'm assuming it's not the highest form of anesthesia where your muscles also get paralyzed from moving.  

Yeah, honestly it was such an easy and fast experience due to being out the entire time, I'd probably do it the same way again without thinking.  Sounds horrible to have to be awake sitting still for as long as people do.

[Hairy Henderson]

On 4/2/2022 at 3:35 AM, Fue3361 said:

7 months are here!  This time, no flash or harsh light, but natural morning sunlight to show what it looks like normally:

 

I think it’s looking better than month 6.  Wonder if this is final result, or if it will improve more?

Really love the temples and hairline transition.  Such a huge difference.

[Fue3361]

Quick 8 month update

 

[Hairy Henderson]

57 minutes ago, Fue3361 said:

Quick 8 month update

 

Super solid

[Kaya]

Can you please take photos of your sides? I am super interested in how they blended.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Kaya

[Fue3361]

On 5/4/2022 at 2:20 AM, Kaya said:

Can you please take photos of your sides? I am super interested in how they blended.

What do you mean of my sides?  You mean the same way I took photos of my 7.5 months, or different?  Got an example picture>

[drawdownfx]

One of the best hair lines I’ve seen congrats bro

[Melvin- Admin]

On 5/3/2022 at 6:54 AM, Fue3361 said:

Quick 8 month update

 

Wow incredible

[Fue3361]

8 hours ago, drawdownfx said:

One of the best hair lines I’ve seen congrats bro

Thanks man.  I'm also very happy with it, and it's 8 months, so might get even thicker (though doubt it).  Still, I'll keep giving updates for a few more months at least.

 

 

8 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Wow incredible

Thanks Melvin

 

On 5/3/2022 at 11:52 AM, Calihome1 said:

Super solid

Thx Cali!

[Kaya]

On 5/5/2022 at 3:07 AM, Fue3361 said:

What do you mean of my sides?  You mean the same way I took photos of my 7.5 months, or different?  Got an example picture>

Check this page out (second page of the thread). You will see what I mean by sides. This guy had his 3rd transplant and get the sides done. He took and shared lot of photos from side view to show us how much transplanted hair blended with existing ones, at different lengths.

 

 

[A Fue Good Men]

On 4/7/2022 at 2:27 AM, Fue3361 said:

5mg Viagra, 5mg Cialis, 3mg Arginine, 2.5mg Minoxidil, daily use for 3 months.  It's his protocol only for people with ultra high density.  He doesn't prescribe this for normal or dense pack.  

Did he explain why he prescribes the meds for 3 months? From the studies I’ve seen, grafts are able to re-establish blood supply within 2 weeks

[Fue3361]

1 hour ago, 5BetaReductase said:

Did he explain why he prescribes the meds for 3 months? From the studies I’ve seen, grafts are able to re-establish blood supply within 2 weeks

Didn't ask why the timeframe.  No idea.

[Fue3361]

On 5/7/2022 at 3:48 AM, Kaya said:

Check this page out (second page of the thread). You will see what I mean by sides. This guy had his 3rd transplant and get the sides done. He took and shared lot of photos from side view to show us how much transplanted hair blended with existing ones, at different lengths.

 

 

I see what you mean.

My hair is too long to really show very well what it looks like.  I'd have to have a low fade cut to show pictures like he did.  This is what the temporal points look like at current length though:

Not sure if that's what you were asking for. 

Edited May 10, 2022 by Fue3361