14,450 Total Grafts (5,450 BHT) Eugenix 21/23 Dec 2019 Aug 2021 Oct 2022

[track_rat]

5 hours ago, SLA said:

Funny- I have seen a lot of typos in Eugenix videos and materials, which causes me to get a little alarmed as I think, 'I hope they aren't as careless when it come to the hair transplant.' However, given their results, it seems as if they are perfectionists in the operating theaters.

I would just chalk that up to a language barrier. Anecdotally, my father (from India but been in US for over 50 years and in corporate America) spells shedding as shading. There’s so many more, just can’t think of them right now.

Eugenix is a first class clinic with some brilliant minds at the helm.

[NAVI]

How can someone who is supposed to be norwood 7 can have 8k grafts just from scalp. I believe , he is norwood 6 and not 7. And I dont think everyone who is norwood 6 7 can get full coverage.please advise on this.

[NAVI]

On 9/23/2021 at 2:15 PM, Zoomster said:

Hi Cambro..

thanks for the good wishes ..I’d say my scalp hair is average thickness ..we didn’t do a micron test..my beard hair shafts  however are above average ..like a yard brush bristle ..

Im fully aware that even though I’ve now 11,600 grafts transplanted 8K of which is scalp to scalp ..I’ll still have to probably throw a dab of toppik here and there to finish the job off ..

from my own back of an envelope calculations back in 2019 I had 160 sq cm of bald scalp ..so using the magic 80 sq cm of original density pre balding that would mean I’d need 12,800 for pretty much optimal coverage ..

Im still 1,200 throughout the scalp shy ...

they are all very approximate numbers 

I was also thinking my area is around 160 but probably it's much more like 300 in such cases . Our heads are curved and that makes it so much more than it appears. And I think u can't plant more than 45 ,forget about 80

[BoldnotBald]

On 10/24/2021 at 6:54 PM, NAVI said:

How can someone who is supposed to be norwood 7 can have 8k grafts just from scalp. I believe , he is norwood 6 and not 7. And I dont think everyone who is norwood 6 7 can get full coverage.please advise on this.

you are correct:

1. zoomster was a nw6 with a bald area probably in the region between 240 - 260cm2.

2. 8k scalp grafts can only be transplanted if the donor allows for that - unless overharvesting of grafts is being done or/and accepted by the patient. with zoomster i am still not sure whether overharvesting was done when having a closer look at his images.

3. nw7 candidates can never achieve full coverage - unless body hair grafts would additionally be transplanted in extensive numbers.

[BoldnotBald]

On 10/25/2021 at 3:16 PM, NAVI said:

I was also thinking my area is around 160 but probably it's much more like 300 in such cases . Our heads are curved and that makes it so much more than it appears. And I think u can't plant more than 45 ,forget about 80

yep - curvature of our head´s shape definitely contributes to that.

in theory you could plant 80 grafts per cm2. but it wouldn´t make any sense at all for anybody going for a hair transplant - let alone a nw6 or higher candidate - given the fact that there are not enough donor resources.

[BoldnotBald]

@Zoomster

would you be able to provide hi-res versions of your previously uploaded images to better evaluate the  situation of your donor area (i think your hair showed a length of 5mm).

that would be great.

[Zoomster]

@NAVI@BoldnotBald..gentlemen let’s stop sweating the small stuff..

the bottom line is i was a slick bald NW 6 heading for 7 ..I had one very successful procedure which I was very happy with ..I was fortunate to be in a position to be able to have one more pass to add some more density which I duly have now done with the same great clinic @Eugenix..

Im of the very strong opinion that I will thrilled with the full final results come another 9 to 12 months time so that’s all I’m concerning myself with now to be honest ..

Judging by the amount of supportive emails I’ve received from fellow high NWs and DMs with messages  of thanks for giving hope to those who previously felt they were hopeless cases i can take comfort that many folks on here are not to worried about the exact cms2 curvature of my nut !!

they see bald ..they see great illusion of hair at the end of the process  with donor homogeneously intact after procedure.

I will be updating with my 2 month progress on 5 November with as hi res pics as my  girlfriends camera will allow ..

for the record I just had my girlfriend measure with tape and to be fair to the above gentlemen’s query the area is indeed more like 280 to 300 cms2 ..

just shows you how fantastic a job the team at Eugenix did doesn’t it ? 

Donor is recovering great 😉

 

@Melvin- Moderator..

[BoldnotBald]

@Zoomster

i am sure nobody will doubt the impressive result including the significant visual transformation which you have achieved through your surgeries. and i fully agree that this will give hope to many guys out there - in particular high nw candidates like you used to be - what can be truly achieved in the hands of outstanding and ethical clinics such as eugenix.

the only major, outstanding concern potential candidates might have is the "real price" that needs to be paid for a mega ht like yours such as the post-op donor area.

as such i am quite excited to see those announced and soon to be uploaded hi res pics - hopefully in the same quality of those close ups that you presented earlier (was it beginning of september?).

great, 007 :-)

 

[Zoomster]

Thats fully understandable ....stay tuned ..👍

[NAVI]

After some research, I have come to understand that fut is better than fue in grade 6 patients. Because fue depends a lot on unsafe donor area while fut is done mostly from saf donor area. This means fue results are far more dependant on finastride than fut. And longevity and long term planning is also good with fut. Also, I have heard fue can't provide as many grafts as fut.How much of eugenix results are from finastride because every patient is made to start that before transplant. My view is that in the long term ,our results should not be as dependant on finastride since it can stop working. So fut , where grafts are taken from permanent zone might be better for longevity.or perhaps a combination of fut and fue. That said, zoomster results are remarkable, even if they have to be sistained with finastride.

[Zoomster]

2 month update ...

Just thought I’d give a literally clear as day depiction of how things stand...I took a few pics while outdoors for a walk ...I know some guys are eager to see how the donor will look after having 8 k scalp grafts harvested ..I feel things are coming along really well to be honest ..my partner keeps saying the donor area looks even better real world than what the camera shows..

i do feel some of my hair gained from HT1 might have been temporarily shocked lossed out during HT2 or maybe it’s just my mind playing tricks on me in not quite sure but either way I know all will pan out just fine over the next few months ..

can’t wait for the new grafts to pop through normally around month 4 I believe ..

I’ll update again for sure on month 3 and will stay in touch in the meantime ..

 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Zoomster

[Britanium]

Looking good 👍🏽 your still able to rock a decent beard 🧔‍

Edited November 6, 2021 by JC71

[Al - Moderator]

On 10/30/2021 at 5:19 PM, BoldnotBald said:

you are correct:

1. zoomster was a nw6 with a bald area probably in the region between 240 - 260cm2.

2. 8k scalp grafts can only be transplanted if the donor allows for that - unless overharvesting of grafts is being done or/and accepted by the patient. with zoomster i am still not sure whether overharvesting was done when having a closer look at his images.

3. nw7 candidates can never achieve full coverage - unless body hair grafts would additionally be transplanted in extensive numbers.

 

Some of us NW7s have literally no useable scalp donor, so if you are a NW 6 or 7 you still have to have great donor hair to be able to get a result like Zoomster. He said his area was 280 to 300 cm2. I measured my bald area and mine is 19cm x 23 cm which is 437 cm2. Even if you cut that back to 425 cm2 it still comes to 17000 grafts at an average of only 40 grafts per cm2.

[Melvin- Admin]

1 hour ago, Zoomster said:

2 month update ...

Just thought I’d give a literally clear as day depiction of how things stand...I took a few pics while outdoors for a walk ...I know some guys are eager to see how the donor will look after having 8 k scalp grafts harvested ..I feel things are coming along really well to be honest ..my partner keeps saying the donor area looks even better real world than what the camera shows..

i do feel some of my hair gained from HT1 might have been temporarily shocked lossed out during HT2 or maybe it’s just my mind playing tricks on me in not quite sure but either way I know all will pan out just fine over the next few months ..

can’t wait for the new grafts to pop through normally around month 4 I believe ..

I’ll update again for sure on month 3 and will stay in touch in the meantime ..

 

This absolutely remarkable, the crown looks fantastic. I don’t think much has been shocked out if at all, it looks damn good.

[Zoomster]

2 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

This absolutely remarkable, the crown looks fantastic. I don’t think much has been shocked out if at all, it looks damn good.

Thanks Melvin..I forgot to mention I entered into this process with retrograde alopecia also ..and it looks no worse now above the ears than when I started out ..i sense a lot of NW6/7 guys with this condition think they’re totally not suitable for HT .. ..that’s not the case at all ..

[Melvin- Admin]

11 minutes ago, Zoomster said:

Thanks Melvin..I forgot to mention I entered into this process with retrograde alopecia also ..and it looks no worse now above the ears than when I started out ..i sense a lot of NW6/7 guys with this condition think they’re totally not suitable for HT .. ..that’s not the case at all ..

You’ve restored my hope for sure, you’ve got no idea how inspiring your journey has been.

[Fego]

6 hours ago, NAVI said:

After some research, I have come to understand that fut is better than fue in grade 6 patients. Because fue depends a lot on unsafe donor area while fut is done mostly from saf donor area. This means fue results are far more dependant on finastride than fut. And longevity and long term planning is also good with fut. Also, I have heard fue can't provide as many grafts as fut.How much of eugenix results are from finastride because every patient is made to start that before transplant. My view is that in the long term ,our results should not be as dependant on finastride since it can stop working. So fut , where grafts are taken from permanent zone might be better for longevity.or perhaps a combination of fut and fue. That said, zoomster results are remarkable, even if they have to be sistained with finastride.to

Totally I agree with you fut is the best for NW6. Who is the best doctors that do fut with very reduced scar?  

[Curious25]

56 minutes ago, Fego said:

Totally I agree with you fut is the best for NW6. Who is the best doctors that do fut with very reduced scar?  

You can’t flat out say that, because it’s just simply not the case.
 

It all depends on the individual and what characteristics they present.

[Britanium]

59 minutes ago, Fego said:

Totally I agree with you fut is the best for NW6. Who is the best doctors that do fut with very reduced scar?  

Discussion for another thread, not @Zoomster result. He’s achieved a remarkable result without FUT. 

[Berba11]

Looking killer @Zoomster!

[Zoomster]

43 minutes ago, Berba11 said:

Looking killer @Zoomster!

Thanks a lot @Berba11

[BoldnotBald]

8 hours ago, BeHappy said:

 

Some of us NW7s have literally no useable scalp donor, so if you are a NW 6 or 7 you still have to have great donor hair to be able to get a result like Zoomster. He said his area was 280 to 300 cm2. I measured my bald area and mine is 19cm x 23 cm which is 437 cm2. Even if you cut that back to 425 cm2 it still comes to 17000 grafts at an average of only 40 grafts per cm2.

fully agreed: you simply need to have the donor resources for that to cover such a huge size of baldness. and as a nw7 even the most excellent remaining donor area (i.e. ultra high density, extremely thick hair, very high number of hairs per follicle) won´t allow for that. that´s why you would need to go for an extremely high number of body hair grafts if that´s possible.

[BoldnotBald]

3 hours ago, Curious25 said:

You can’t flat out say that, because it’s just simply not the case.
 

It all depends on the individual and what characteristics they present.

fego would only be correct if an fue surgeon limited his extraction donor site to the back.

[Gatsby]

Staying on track, zoomster you have been an incredible inspiration for so many Norwood 6/7 folk, none less so than myself. You are living proof that baldness today is ‘optional.’ What you have given to this forum is legion! 🙏

[BoldnotBald]

11 hours ago, NAVI said:

After some research, I have come to understand that fut is better than fue in grade 6 patients. Because fue depends a lot on unsafe donor area while fut is done mostly from saf donor area. This means fue results are far more dependant on finastride than fut. And longevity and long term planning is also good with fut. Also, I have heard fue can't provide as many grafts as fut.How much of eugenix results are from finastride because every patient is made to start that before transplant. My view is that in the long term ,our results should not be as dependant on finastride since it can stop working. So fut , where grafts are taken from permanent zone might be better for longevity.or perhaps a combination of fut and fue. That said, zoomster results are remarkable, even if they have to be sistained with finastride.

your conclusion is logical and seems to be correct at first sight. however, in real life things are a bit more complicated when it comes to the so called "safe donor area" and "not so safe donor area":

nobody will be able to predict for sure how your safe donor area will have developed in, say, 30 years - with or without medication. the same applies with your not so safe donor area. as far as i know there has been no scientifically validated long term studies on that subject.

you / the doc can only make certain assumptions about the long term development of your hair eg. based on the current characteristics of your hair and additional general statistics such as the average age by when somebody will usually have developed a nw7 pattern and what those signs are.

so, to put it simple: apart from the age of a ht candidate it mainly depends on the quality of the donor area of the left and right side (eg. density? amount of miniaturisation?).