BoldnotBald

as a matter of transparency: do any of those docs or /and clinics being endorsed here on this forum have to pay any money - eg. directly or by any other means?

4. conclusion all in all and given the current cost per graft between 0.7 and 0.94 euros per graft (rates from 2021?) i would currently recommend this clinic in particular for low to medium nw candidates and who are happy even if the results can be detected by trained eyes as ht surgeries. in order to give a more nuanced rating on a scale between 0 and 10 and for which nw candidates / cases this might apply i would suggest to provide a. more information b. high quality imagery c. imagery with no concealer throughout d. also imagery of high nw candidates e. repair cases with high quality imagery

3. evaluation of their website: - photos being shown (in particular in the blog section) seem to be mostly stock imagery - very little / no in house imagery of their clinic - content: quality and quantity seems to be average compared to others - misleading info: promoting a potential superior advantage of dhi technique vs fue whilst pointing to a potential higher density of 70-90 grafts/cm2 with dhi is unrealistic and doubtful - unnecessary marketing gimmick: showing a booking rate of 95% is a typical marketing tactic and reminiscent of online shops trying to make customers quick decisions and buy their last remaining products (whether the mentioned stock holds true or not)

2. elements which could be improved: - hairlines: for a trained eye they can be detected as typical ”ht hairlines”: the feathering zone is too short and the transplanted thick grafts have been placed too early to the front (this might not be too obvious with low nw candidates) - recreation of temples: unfortunately for a proper evaluation of the naturalness the quality of the shown photos is not sufficient. at first sight it looks as if the same applies to what has been written about the hairlines - some of the photos of the results seem to have concealer being applied and which contribute to a distorted evaluation - according to the youtube videos the magnification factor of their loupes being used seems to be quite low as opposed to what is being said (definitely no high magnification!) - it is unclear which instruments they use: eg. which stereo microscopes to check single grafts as well as those hidden telogen grafts - it would be good to know how they come to the conclusion about the overall donor capacity of a patient and which tools they use to do this - contradicting information about the incisions: on their website they mention that incisions are being made prior to the insertion but which is different to dhi (see also: https://www.fuecapilar.com/en/all-about-hair/your-hair-implant-before-during-and-after/). - the post op imagery of the recipient area at the day of surgery seems to show a lot of blood and which is very unusual for a dhi technique. for a comparison see also imagery from dr. lorenzo, one of the pioneers in dhi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLvqymqbWlw&ab_channel=InjertocapilarEspaña - the implantation pattern of the female hairline looks quite artificial and doesn´t mimic the natural, non geometrical follicular pattern

1. positive aspects: - below average cost per grafts: between 0.7 euros /graft (steve85: £2350 for 4075 grafts) and 0.94 euros /graft (thomas b: 3500 euros for 3720 grafts) - overall a quite natural result according to the presented photographs - at first sight no noticeable overharvesting of the donor area - advantageous extraction technique with a mix of manual and motorised approach - a fatigue preventing break down of the entire extraction process into smaller, more manageable sessions - a quite short max. of the out-of-body time for the extracted grafts (1.5 hours) - applying important pre op evaluation factors such as caliper, density and average size of grafts - providing a relatively transparent pre op and surgical report

having had a read through the various patient´s and clinic´s posts on this forum and the clinic´s website a couple of thoughts from my side:

in your video i couldn´t find the answer to my questions, unfortunately. hence the reason for this enquiry.

would you mind elaborating on the mapping out of your head also including its incorporation into your surgery? apart from that i understand that your incisions were made a day or so prior to the extraction process. does it mean that you got anaesthetised twice in the recipient area?

thanks for sharing those pics. my honest conclusion in your case would be: in my view your donor areas looks quite thinned out. however, due to your grafts having been extracted from your entire head (of course apart from your recipient area) plus due to your salt and pepper hair characteristic this thinning isn´t really noticeable to the untrained, average guy. and that´s what ht is all about in my humble view. so, congrats again on your transformation.

your conclusion is logical and seems to be correct at first sight. however, in real life things are a bit more complicated when it comes to the so called "safe donor area" and "not so safe donor area": nobody will be able to predict for sure how your safe donor area will have developed in, say, 30 years - with or without medication. the same applies with your not so safe donor area. as far as i know there has been no scientifically validated long term studies on that subject. you / the doc can only make certain assumptions about the long term development of your hair eg. based on the current characteristics of your hair and additional general statistics such as the average age by when somebody will usually have developed a nw7 pattern and what those signs are. so, to put it simple: apart from the age of a ht candidate it mainly depends on the quality of the donor area of the left and right side (eg. density? amount of miniaturisation?).

fego would only be correct if an fue surgeon limited his extraction donor site to the back.

fully agreed: you simply need to have the donor resources for that to cover such a huge size of baldness. and as a nw7 even the most excellent remaining donor area (i.e. ultra high density, extremely thick hair, very high number of hairs per follicle) won´t allow for that. that´s why you would need to go for an extremely high number of body hair grafts if that´s possible.

@Gatsby i would be VERY surprised if dr zarev ever received a patent. because there simply is nothing that can be patented about his "technique": like dr pradeep / sethi he simply extracts from almost the entire donor area. period!

i would be VERY surprised if dr zarev ever received a patent. because there simply is nothing that can be patented about his "technique": like dr pradeep / sethi he simply extracts from almost the entire donor area. period!

yep: using sharp implanters instead of blunt ones won´t create a bloody recipient site. also, extracting grafts from the entire donor area - as opposed to just the back - crucially contributes to this homogeneous look.

i am not sure whether dr zarev is being honest about his magical, modified vacuum assited extraction method: as far as i know dr zarev uses the neograft / medicamat / punch hair system and which uses suction to get the punched grafts out of the skin. this system simply helps to avoid the need for those assisting nurses during the extraction process. so, it´s also quite money saving method. all in all my understanding is that dr zarev´s magical "modification" is simply using his implanters for the insertion process instead of neografts´own implantation system.

you are 100% correct.

@Zoomster i am sure nobody will doubt the impressive result including the significant visual transformation which you have achieved through your surgeries. and i fully agree that this will give hope to many guys out there - in particular high nw candidates like you used to be - what can be truly achieved in the hands of outstanding and ethical clinics such as eugenix. the only major, outstanding concern potential candidates might have is the "real price" that needs to be paid for a mega ht like yours such as the post-op donor area. as such i am quite excited to see those announced and soon to be uploaded hi res pics - hopefully in the same quality of those close ups that you presented earlier (was it beginning of september?). great, 007 :-)

thanks a lot for clarifying previously asked questions targeted at eugenix and for sharing this info here. given the fact that you have done more than 30 (!) years of research i am sure you will be able to further share umpteen of precious insights into all aspects of an ht that you gained over this period...

@Zoomster would you be able to provide hi-res versions of your previously uploaded images to better evaluate the situation of your donor area (i think your hair showed a length of 5mm). that would be great.

yep - curvature of our head´s shape definitely contributes to that. in theory you could plant 80 grafts per cm2. but it wouldn´t make any sense at all for anybody going for a hair transplant - let alone a nw6 or higher candidate - given the fact that there are not enough donor resources.

you are correct: 1. zoomster was a nw6 with a bald area probably in the region between 240 - 260cm2. 2. 8k scalp grafts can only be transplanted if the donor allows for that - unless overharvesting of grafts is being done or/and accepted by the patient. with zoomster i am still not sure whether overharvesting was done when having a closer look at his images. 3. nw7 candidates can never achieve full coverage - unless body hair grafts would additionally be transplanted in extensive numbers.

thanks for shedding some more light, kirkland. there is another question in terms of the surgery itself: when it comes to the statistics of your extracted grafts (i.e. how many 1, 2 and so on) and being written down on a wallboard (see also the pic on page 2 from the ht journey of our hero mazab) it would be interesting to know what "f", "p1" and "p2" stand for.

great to see your courage to have taken the plunge. and it looks as if you´ve already mastered the first challenges - i suppose as a sort of warm up before the upcoming ones. 😉 in terms of asking questions it would be good to know how / on which ground / based on which calculation eugenix will be able to predict 1. how many grafts would be needed to cover your bald area 2. how many grafts can be extracted in total a. from your scalp b. from your beard 3. which tools / formulae they use and which and how many trichoscopic measurements they would take pre-op from which areas

please correct me if i am wrong: in the previous live chat between eugenix and melvin (and which was broadcast on youtube) melvin raised the question whether beard grafts could be extracted from this area and which is being shown here on your pic, zoomster. dr. pradeep denied because of the regularly poor quality. however, to me it seems as many grafts have been extracted from here.