Petchski

some people know for example that they won't bald beyond a NW4, if you have a transplant all over the top of the head that is already bald, then for you in that circumstance, propecia is not really needed, as you've already lost the hair that was programmed to go bald at a set date, so not that important. For a NW3 who's had as transplant to make them a NW2 for example, but has family history saying he would eventually bald to a NW5, it's much more important for you to take propecia, or you could be left looking like Zinedine Zidane down the line. Just to clarify, ZZ never had a transplant, just natrually balded from the crown to the hairline. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/<a href=http://postimg.org/image/gtn192oxt/ target=_blank>

I used folligen after my transplant, healing properties of copper peptides, emu oil was good too for scalp health.

Strip is cheaper, and good for megasessions, but you sound like you have decided on FUE. What are your goals for the HT? fill Hairline and crown?

Depends on the person. With FUE, month 6, 7, and 8 seem to be the best months for growth from the results i've seen documented online, although some early respnders look great at month 6, some at month 8, so it could still very well fill in and give more density.

Left side looks weaker, less dense, but at 6.5 months you have a couple more months to wait yet. Are you on Propecia?

Also, your hair characteristic seems quite thick, which can make it harder to look 100% natural on the hairline, but great for density, while finer hair has the opposite effect. Wearing your hair to the side, down or any thing other than brushed back would alleviate any slight unnaturalness/lack of density, from the hair line. Cosmetically giving you a excellent head of hair.

If you are in for ther long term, and you have decided that you will never be a completely bald man, then strip makes sense. As you will never have to shave the back down really short. It looks like you have done well in sucessfully maintaining your hair with meds, and i can see why you want a HT. My situation was similar to yours, in that i had stabalized my hairloss, but was disapointed with my hairline. FUE was not as big when i was spending a lot of time on hairloss forums, and i can see why it is more popular choice than strip, and i believe that technique in this method has much improved at the top of the table amoungst the most talented docs in particular. But the safe choice is strip in terms of maximum yield and result. I'm due to have a 2nd HT in Jan by FUE, so i will know better then subjectively about my experience of strip vs FUE. I plan to have some grafts put in to my strip scar as a fail safe, so i can always shave down short and just accept being bald as a worst case scenario further down the road, i don't expect that to happen, but plan for the worst, hope for the best. Also, my strip scar is very thin, and i've been battling hairloss for 13 years, propecia works, as does minoxidil, although i slowly quit minoxidil over two years and i have lost some density due to that, which has made me decide to strike my final offensive against hairloss and get what i plan to be my final HT. I don't care as much about hairloss now as i used too in my 20s, especially as some of my mates who used to rip me about hairloss are now bald. I'm 35 soon, decided to roll the dice, go to a top class FUE doc, and improve and thicken what i have. All the docs mentioned in this thread are solid choices from what i know.

You learned a costly lesson in blind ldealism, plus more. You seem like an intelligent guy, so you don't need me to point out the mistakes made. How many grafts did you have transplanted? If you have the cash and go to a top class doctor, you could remedy and improve on what you have. What NW are you?

There was a lot of huckster clinics like this about in the 80s/90s, this low level still exists today, as you well found out, but with the spread of knowledge that has come from the internet it's less common. Where did you find out about this clinic? Lasers? that sets off an alarm right there, Advanced Hair Studio anybody, total shysters. :cool:

It's not a complete failure, but some of the hairs look a bit stalky. In your original post you mentioned propecia. It may not have given much regrowth, but where propeica works for most is in maintaining what you have. MPB is progressive, so more than likely, you will continue to lose hair without it. Stabalizing your hairloss, then using HT to improve on what you have, with an eye to the future, and taking time to make the best decision on what/who next is paramount.

Take your time with making a decision on a HT. Does Rivivogen help? Most HT docs will recommend propecia first, which makes sense because it works, some may feel too much of a drop in libido, but works for most... minor initial side effects are common, mostly a kind of ball ache, pain in the testicle/s. Dr Lorenzo is around 7k for 2000 grafts, his website has an english version. He has a great rep for FUE, but i would like to see more of his work from 2015. There are cheaper and good quality Docs, but you have to be careful and make sure that a HT is the best decision for you, as maybe need a second procedure within 10-15 years, especially if you lose your native hair, as from your photos, without any effective hairloss meds your MPB will progress to a NW4 pattern, losing the front and crown and then normally followed by the middle, depending on your inherited genes, normally someone in your family has the same kind of hairloss, dad, uncle grandad when he was younger etc. A quicker way of saying all that is stabilizing you're hairloss before a HT really helps down the line, as well as having realistic expectations and taking your time to learn about the procedure's pros and cons, FUE/Strip and everything else, don't rush in to a HT.

If the doc said there was problems with the extractions that would lead one to believe that it could have had a bearing on the result. Doctors are aware of how long grafts can survive outside of the body, so i doubt that was the issue...unless you're grafts were unusually sensitive. Tech error is a possibility, but they have lots of experience. You will probably never know for sure. In terms of getting a second procedure, if you only get 1500 grafts, and you ask to take most of the grafts from the middle donor, where it's most thick, and not on the thin sides, and the transplant is free, and performed by Dr F exclusively, the only problem then will be the downtime and waiting. If you can accept that it may not work again, but won't leave you thinner on the donor, the only thing you lose is time and stress/anxiety suffered waiting to see if it grows. Likely worst case scenario is it doesn't grow, forget about it, go on with your life as a dentist, husband, father. Best case scenario. It works, great density go on with your life etc.

Essentially you just needed more density. You'd have thought this would be a home run since the great success of the first HT. I would have htought that more grafts would have been used, but i don't know your hair characteristics and i'm sure Dr Feller put in the right amount to match the hair behind it, so for some unknown reason some grafts didn't grow, leaving you with a thinner than expected hairline. The hair does continue to soften right up to 18 months, so i believe it will continue to improve, but probably not enough to give you what you wanted. Maybe a small FUE session could bridge the gaps in the density, although taking in to consideration not scarring up the donor area with too much fibrosis.

I have sent an email to Pilar Lorenzo asking for clarification, will report back here when i get a reply.

It's not a complete fallacy, it's just more complicated than that. Although you do notice some NW7's out there with really thin donors, where a strip scar would show through their hair even at an inch plus length, but they are a minority really. As for Joe Rogan he decided to just let it go, and shaves bald despite the strip scar. Rooney uses lots of concealer, but sometimes doesn't bother, and the you can see his NW5 pattern through his hair. He's not a great HT candidiate without taking propecia. Also if you think about it, as you get older everything deteriorates, so i don't see why donor hair would be any exception, although it's more towards the end of your life this seems to happen.

Old thread i know, but from what i've been told, Dr Lorenzo does some extraction, Dr Vila does some, one or two tech could also do some extractions, all placements are done by Dr Lorenzo, with maybe some by Dr Vila, who is also a HT doctor, and did Dr Lorenzo's hair transplant, so he definitely has trust in this doctor. Prices i was quoted are, as of 2015 in Euros The first thousand (1000) is €6 / graft (21% taxes included) The second thousand (1001-2000) is €4 / graft (21% taxes included) The rest (2001 onwards) is €2.5 / graft (21% taxes included)

Hi Mate, Good luck, best way to see it is that your so much closer to have a much better head of hair! I paid my deposit last week for an appointment with Dr Lorenzo for late January 2016, so you will be a good four months plus ahead of me. Excuse me for my ignorance, i've not been on this site for a long time, but is this your first HT? ***scratch that, just realsied you have a blog when you click the username. 2500 should thicken you up nicely.

Thanks for your comments guys, and Dr Feller, hope all is well in your neck of the woods...Lame pun, but nevertheless, i'm back again, month 22, or something like that. I have updated my blog, and Spexy is going to post the photos on the thread, and i'll c+p my blog comment on here. "Hair is still in great condition and I can say, thinking back to my consult with Dr Feller almost two years ago, that he gave me exactly what I asked for. A subtle HT, with a strengthened hairline. Aside from Dr Feller's reputation, results, and direct approach, I also chose him for his tendency to play it safe and go conservative, which matched what I was looking for, and yes, i'm still a happy camper.Hair is the longest it's been in 10 years, and as it stands i'm not planning on getting another HT for some years yet. I'm at peace with my hair as it is, which includes my Klingon sized firehead, and i'll save the rest of my donor for behind my hairline. Happy daze :)" ps for some reason everytime I post pics I have the same hairstyle, although normally I brush it back, or have a middle parting, sometimes to the side, just an observation i've made, but alas any question feel free to ask away...

Don't know where you can buy it in the UK, but it's a mediocre anti androgen, best for maintenance, not regrowth

Damn, looking good. doubt you'll need another one, should be set 4 life

Something tells me that this isn't going to end well. Can't say he wasn't warned.

Very nice Drew, if you're having two more surgeries, this one got you off too a great start. Regards

I'm a happy Feller patient, and I had to wait 5 months to see him... don't know too much about Arocha, what I have seen has been great. I'd advise meeting both of the docs personally and then make a decision from there.

Ahhh good news!...and about time. Any more info on bad news for Bosley, post here

I think one of the varied reasons for hating the way you look when you go bald is the gaining of weight, especially where you lose the jawline and it becomes flabby...this normally means your head resembles a football/soccer ball. Losing weight and getting the taught jawline back improves your looks quite a bit imo, so I totally agree Jon.