Has anyone decided to go the hair transplant route without taking Fin or Min, do you have any pictures and advice?

[Melvin- Admin]

Just now, Hairtroubles said:

Come on man, I m not sure if i agree on that, if I wait for my hair to get worse then get HT it might be an option, surely?

I can handle surgery, why wouldnt I be okay, its pills that scare me...?

Also what is mesotherapy - does that work?

What you said is the exact reason why you shouldn’t get one done. HTs do not stop or slow hair loss. You’re looking at surgery like a fix, but it’s not. You need to first treat the issue, or at least be in a position where you’re not losing more hair than your replacing. 

[Britanium]

2 minutes ago, Hairtroubles said:

Would be good to get his thoughts, can I expect a reply here?  Are they any good?

Of course they are, otherwise I wouldn’t have mentioned them. Send a PM to him or use the virtual consult:

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/Consult-a-Physician/surgeon-list/JOR/Jordan

You can look through the forum for his results. He is recommended here. 

 

[Hairtroubles]

On 9/23/2021 at 5:22 PM, JohnAC71 said:

Of course they are, otherwise I wouldn’t have mentioned them. Send a PM to him or use the virtual consult:

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/Consult-a-Physician/surgeon-list/JOR/Jordan

You can look through the forum for his results. He is recommended here. 

 

I have just PM'd here and linked the thread here.

[Hairtroubles]

Just contacted Dr. Umar at dru.com.  Any thoughts on Umar?

 

Secondly, I was about to contact Eugenix - however, the reviews really really put me off, everyone here recommends them, but the reviews are quite opposite?

 

I am willing to do this the right way and give it a proper good but only want top places.

 

 

[Hairtroubles]

Who should I ask to do the HT at Eugenix, is it dr Pradeep shethy?

[Hairtroubles]

 

Can you anyone link me to some reputable posts about Eugenix with patients who did this without fin.  I emailed, explained, and my reply was somewhat automated I felt, as I dont even think they acknowledged the fact I do not want to take Fin.  Which is why I contacted Fin in the first place, this is there reply:

@Melvin- Moderator - how come you are going to Eugenix, given your situation, is it for Body hair grafts? 

Your pictures have been evaluated by our doctors. 

You have Norwood Grade *(Grade IV)* of Baldness.

The bald area is usually divided into 3 parts. Your graft requirements in each of the areas in your case is as follows:

Frontal scalp: *(2200 to 2500)*

Mid scalp: *(Not Required)*

Crown: *(800 to 1000)*

 

Thus, total graft requirement is *(3000 to 3500)*

Proposed Harvest from scalp: *(3000 to 3500)*

Proposed Harvest from beard: *(Not Required)*

The remaining area will improve with medications (namely Tab Finasteride 1 mg, to be prescribed by consulting dermatologist/physician) which will also help in preservation of your pre-existing hair. The progress in the mid scalp and crown can also be improved with these medications. The medication will help in increasing the density in those areas.

For Androgenetic Alopecia, it progresses with the following acceleration in different age groups:

20s to 30s: very aggressively

30s to 40s: slows down

40s onward: starts stabilizing usually

Since Androgenetic Alopecia / baldness is not a disease and is a natural phenomenon and affects almost half of the men population, it can only be maintained by taking Finasteride until it stabilizes. The dosage can be revised periodically.

You are required to kindly acknowledge receipt of your evaluation via return mail informing us that you have read & understood the same.

[jceaves]

On 8/13/2021 at 4:42 PM, Hairtroubles said:

I m just too scared to take Fin, for real. I really am.  

I wish I could, but the stuff I have read, it terrifies me, like seriously.  Even people who come off it after5-6 years, they realise after theyre off things they were experiencing and feeling.

 

You should be scared.  I took Fin for nearly 6 years total.  In Dec. 2019 Post Finasteride Syndrome hit me hard. Anorgasmia, ED, the works.  I immediately stopped taking it.  In the nearly two years since then, I slowly regained a lot of my sexual function, but not all.  Among other things, my cock is not as sensitive as previously.  PFS is very real and some of us seem more susceptible than others.  It's a crap shoot played with your sexuality.  

 

[jceaves]

On 9/23/2021 at 10:18 AM, Melvin- Moderator said:

What you said is the exact reason why you shouldn’t get one done. HTs do not stop or slow hair loss. You’re looking at surgery like a fix, but it’s not. You need to first treat the issue, or at least be in a position where you’re not losing more hair than your replacing. 

I completely disagree.  You're needlessly inserting a false predicate, that you must stop hair loss with medication in order to justify a HT.  This is wrong headed.  Finasteride is dangerous; it has been for me.  The widespread epigenetic effects on the body and nervous system are only now being understood.  HTs are likely the best fit for an individual that wants hair, but doesn't want to take hair loss medications.  

[JDEE0]

1 hour ago, jceaves said:

 

You should be scared.  I took Fin for nearly 6 years total.  In Dec. 2019 Post Finasteride Syndrome hit me hard. Anorgasmia, ED, the works.  I immediately stopped taking it.  In the nearly two years since then, I slowly regained a lot of my sexual function, but not all.  Among other things, my cock is not as sensitive as previously.  PFS is very real and some of us seem more susceptible than others.  It's a crap shoot played with your sexuality.  

 

With all due respect (and I don't want to get into a debate with a post finasteride syndrome proponent, as really, what's the point) you can't just go around stating anecdotes as fact and expect anyone with an ounce of reason to take you seriously. That is not how science works, and it's completely disingenuous to say finasteride is dangerous because you say so when none of what you're talking about has ever been observed in a clinical setting and has no medical consensus. You make the claim, the onus is on you. The opposite has ben demonstrated time and time again by highly controlled double blind placebo studies, what's backing up what you say?

So, it's now a playing a crapshoot with your sexuality to take a drug with decades of clinical safety data in which PFS was miraculously never observed in literally tens and tens of thousands of men? (and a lot more when considering BPH related studies). Doesn't make sense.

In fact, out of the tens of millions of men who will have taken this drug for any period of time in the last, let's say, 20 years, how many people supposedly have developed PFS? What are there, a few thousand on the PFS forum?

To even infer that an (anecdotal) incidence rate of persistent sexual dysfunction (and other related 'PFS' effects) of say 5, 10 or even 15 thousand people (and that's being generous with the amount of your fellow PFS truthers that exist) per  20 million people (and that's very conservative) is conclusive proof that finasteride is dangerous or even at fault to begin with is just ridiculous.

Do you not think that within the general population that the rate of people complaining of sudden sexual dysfunction, loss of libido/sensitivity, depression (or whatever else you want to claim) happens at a much, much higher incidence rate of the above thousands out of tens of millions? Because I sure do. So, even if these claims are people being genuine (which for the most part I don't think it is) I would say, so what? for example, ED affects roughly 10% of men per decade they age. So, 50 percent by age 50. That's tens of millions for that age bracket and above in the U.S. alone. How can you even assert these things to finasteride with absolute authority, it's completely ridiculous when put into perspective. 

And I'm not saying side effects don't exist, I'm aware there are more than a handful thousand people who get regular sides, I'm talking about PFS specifically and saying that you're talking complete crap about there being epigenetic changes that make them a permanent condition. What might these changes be then? There are no reputable studies that suggest this happens in any way. Your claims are probably the result of some PFS foundation funded study carried out with an extreme bias and poor methodology, but I'd love to see it anyways.

Anyway, I'm in no way trying to convince you of anything, that's not the point of my post, what I am trying to do is clear things up for anyone lurking and reading. You say in your second post above that you completely disagree that one must stop hair loss to justify a HT. You're completely wrong and are giving out painfully incorrect advice that has the potential to be much more dangerous than finasteride could ever be in reality.

A lot of guys on here are young and headed to a high NW if they let nature take it's course, and some don't have the best donor area to make up for that. For these people, they will without a doubt run out of donor at some point, and they might be left at 35 years old with a messed up/odd looking head of hair with no real 'out' or option to shave due to the 5000+ scars on the back of their head. They might feel like their life is ruined, I know I probably would, and all because they listened to you instead of listening to clinical evidence.

 

Edited September 29, 2021 by JDEE0

[Curious25]

On 9/26/2021 at 8:43 PM, Hairtroubles said:

Secondly, I was about to contact Eugenix - however, the reviews really really put me off, everyone here recommends them, but the reviews are quite opposite?

Where have you found negative reviews? 

[Hairtroubles]

2 hours ago, jceaves said:

 

You should be scared.  I took Fin for nearly 6 years total.  In Dec. 2019 Post Finasteride Syndrome hit me hard. Anorgasmia, ED, the works.  I immediately stopped taking it.  In the nearly two years since then, I slowly regained a lot of my sexual function, but not all.  Among other things, my cock is not as sensitive as previously.  PFS is very real and some of us seem more susceptible than others.  It's a crap shoot played with your sexuality.  

 

You serious, like no joke?  Jeezish man, i dont get how this drug can be prescribed honestly when i read things like this.  You okay now? 

[Hairtroubles]

2 hours ago, jceaves said:

I completely disagree.  You're needlessly inserting a false predicate, that you must stop hair loss with medication in order to justify a HT.  This is wrong headed.  Finasteride is dangerous; it has been for me.  The widespread epigenetic effects on the body and nervous system are only now being understood.  HTs are likely the best fit for an individual that wants hair, but doesn't want to take hair loss medications.  

What did you end up doing after Fin, however... i get it, i need something to maintain my hair, if i get a HT, ill probs need another one?

[Hairtroubles]

52 minutes ago, Curious25 said:

Where have you found negative reviews? 

https://www.mouthshut.com/product-reviews/Eugenix-Hair-Sciences-reviews-925978303

[jceaves]

3 minutes ago, Hairtroubles said:

You serious, like no joke?  Jeezish man, i dont get how this drug can be prescribed honestly when i read things like this.  You okay now? 

I'm much better now than I was in early 2020.  Luckily I have a fiancé that is patient and love sex!   Lots of sexual activity helped bring me back.  But I'm still not the same.  Viagra / Cialis helped too.  But I never had ED prior to the crash in Dec. 2019.  Just like a light switch, my libido was wrecked.  

[jceaves]

4 minutes ago, Hairtroubles said:

What did you end up doing after Fin, however... i get it, i need something to maintain my hair, if i get a HT, ill probs need another one?

I dropped all medication actually.  I'll do another HT next year, but no medications.  I tried a topical version of finasteride in 2016, but it didn't work. 

[Melvin- Admin]

1 hour ago, Hairtroubles said:

https://www.mouthshut.com/product-reviews/Eugenix-Hair-Sciences-reviews-925978303

Stop posting this nonsense, these reviews don’t even have pictures. Its like posting 5 star reviews with nothing on them, they’re worth zero. Real reviews with actual results that start from beginning to end are the only ones anyone should pay attention to positive or negative. 

[digi23]

1 hour ago, Hairtroubles said:

You serious, like no joke?  Jeezish man, i dont get how this drug can be prescribed honestly when i read things like this.  You okay now? 

[digi23]

I think you should take what people say on internet about Post Finasteride Syndrome with a pinch of salt, or maybe more appropiate a big bag of cocaine. The ones who are taking finasteride and quits, did they take alot of other stuff combined with finasteride and they think that it was the finasteride that did them wrong? 

Its really difficult to tell, there is like 0,0001% of everyone who takes/taken it who gets this and it could just be that they are mixing alot of different stuff, maybe its not even finasteride who did it.

Edited September 29, 2021 by digi23

[digi23]

1 hour ago, Hairtroubles said:

https://www.mouthshut.com/product-reviews/Eugenix-Hair-Sciences-reviews-925978303

You have people giving 3 of 5 when they say they are extremely happy.

Also you have people giving low rating because their head itch after transplant the first week. Seems reasonable, lol.

You can search for Eugenix on the forum and see 100+ positive real patient reviews in detail here but you think that site is more legit.

Edited September 29, 2021 by digi23

[Falconary]

I Will probably do HT without finasteride and post results here. I have been on finasteride 0.025% topical in three weeks by now, and today and for the first time i couldnt get erection. It is terrifying and I Will stop from now on...

[Hairtroubles]

14 hours ago, Falconary said:

I Will probably do HT without finasteride and post results here. I have been on finasteride 0.025% topical in three weeks by now, and today and for the first time i couldnt get erection. It is terrifying and I Will stop from now on...

Thats terrifying bro, I wouldn't mess with that. 

 

Where will you go for a HT, whats your plan?  Would be good to sync and discuss, how old are you?

[Hairtroubles]

On 9/29/2021 at 10:47 PM, digi23 said:

You have people giving 3 of 5 when they say they are extremely happy.

Also you have people giving low rating because their head itch after transplant the first week. Seems reasonable, lol.

You can search for Eugenix on the forum and see 100+ positive real patient reviews in detail here but you think that site is more legit.

I get it, but i was recommended eugenix because they are good to use without Fin right, just curious your thought son this?

[Gokuhairline]

hey OP, i've decided to go FUE with out ANY prior meds such as fin, minas, dutas, etc...only thing i was regularly doing was dermarolling....I am 24 days post FUE so I guess its too early too tell but I did heal up very quick specially in the donor area...in my opinion the sides specially from finas down below if you know what I mean are not worth risking it at all....

[Hairtroubles]

Just now, Gokuhairline said:

hey OP, i've decided to go FUE with out ANY prior meds such as fin, minas, dutas, etc...only thing i was regularly doing was dermarolling....I am 24 days post FUE so I guess its too early too tell but I did heal up very quick specially in the donor area...in my opinion the sides specially from finas down below if you know what I mean are not worth risking it at all....

Can I see before and after pics please?

[Gokuhairline]

1 minute ago, Hairtroubles said:

Can I see before and after pics please?

I made a thread on the FUE reviews by patients ...will also be updating it about 1 week when its 1 month mark