Most Detailed Dr. Resul Yaman Review You Will Ever See September 2021

[digi23]

Thanks people for your encouraging words. 

Here is a small update, unfortunaly with more maturation the other side which looked better before, had almost only multiple grafts aswell, so we have started to go hard on that area now as one side is looking alot better.

I really hope the hairs is not coming back as it might be a possibility, but time will tell. 

Just know if you have a botch job yourself, you will get there, dont give up.

[drawdownfx]

Looking MUCH better bro. You are almost there 

[digi23]

On 4/22/2022 at 5:36 AM, Ah97 said:

This is so helpful 👋

I had hair transplant   (about 1000 graft ) 5 years ago in a cheap and bad clinic. At that time, I wasn’t know any thing about the art of hair transplantation. I thought it was only an extraction and implantation process without art🤦🏻‍♂️ .. Many double multiple thick hairs implanted in the temple and hairline. The good news it wasn’t the end   of the world , 3 months ago, I started looking for a way to remove these hairs and found that electrolysis  is the best option, so I had one session of electrolysis to remove these hairs in hairline and temples.  But after 3 months it grew back . I thought it would disappear after the first session until I read your post now.  I think it needs more sessions 🤦🏻‍♂️.. My goal after I get rid of it is to find a good doctor and clinic that will transplant only fine single  hair in this area so that it looks very natural, even in short haircuts.. ..

 

so what do u recommend  ( eugenix .. asmed .. cosmedica ) ? 
 
i need best natural result  

 

I think you only need removal of the grafts in the temples as your temples look soft from the start, the hairline that was transplanted looks like it needs some work aswell to add density and add some naturalness.

I am not going to say to anyone "you should go to this clinic". I can say that you can look at Dr Bijan Feriduni repair cases to see if you like his work. He often do repair jobs. 

I choose Dr Marwan Saifi personally because hes in my opinion creating soft looking hairlines and temples and we had a good talk about my expectations and the approach he wanted to take. He answers every e-mail himself, so you have a easier time discussing details, instead of talking to a coordinator.

Wish you best of luck.

[digi23]

9 hours ago, harryforreal said:

I disagree.  The initial outcome doesn't look soft or natural.  Sometimes I think some people are so pro-HT that as long as something grows "it's a good outcome,"  regardless of aesthetic quality.  The temple points and hairline are not feathered in, the color doesn't even match.  You can't take thick, darker hairs and plug them in in groups of 2's, 3's, or 4's at the front of lighter colored hairs and expect it to match and look natural.  99%?  Absurd.  No disrespect intended, Melvin, but that non-scientific number guestimate is just not even close to accurate in my opinion.

You are correct yes, not everything is about yield.

I had input from some of the best in the industry, which basically everyone said that it is really poor work.

One very well respected Dr asked if they were drunk during surgery when I sent him photos from my pre-electrolysis situation. 😁

[NARMAK]

23 minutes ago, digi23 said:

You are correct yes, not everything is about yield.

I had input from some of the best in the industry, which basically everyone said that it is really poor work.

One very well respected Dr asked if they were drunk during surgery when I sent him photos from my pre-electrolysis situation. 😁

I do think it's always interesting when you do get a professional review and they call it as it is. 

Hopefully you found the right person to set this right and i do think it's ridiculous that even if you use a highly tech driven procedure as most seem to do that they could mess up that poorly under what seemed to be a competently regarded Doctor. 

I think this case is just one of many that underscores why unless we somehow end up with a drastically greater supply of doctors and techs or a much more perfected robotic system, we are going to keep seeing more guys end up in these horrible situations. 

I think prices are for the reliable doctors generally gonna keep increasing too which won't help how many more vulnerable people end up in Hair Mills. 

Thankfully people sharing their story like you shows there's doctors out there who are also at least willing to call the poor work of peers out privately. 

[RTC]

2 hours ago, digi23 said:

Thanks people for your encouraging words. 

Here is a small update, unfortunaly with more maturation the other side which looked better before, had almost only multiple grafts aswell, so we have started to go hard on that area now as one side is looking alot better.

I really hope the hairs is not coming back as it might be a possibility, but time will tell. 

Just know if you have a botch job yourself, you will get there, dont give up.

How are the hairs coming back though? I thought electrolysis was permanent

[digi23]

39 minutes ago, Aslitarcan sucks said:

How are the hairs coming back though? I thought electrolysis was permanent

I dont think that I have experienced any re growth yet, possibly a minority have grown back. The hair needs to be in anagen phase to die permanently. 

In my case, it was transplanted ontop of my existing hair which makes it very difficult to remove.

It was also placed something like 350 grafts in each temple, total approx 700. You can only remove maximum approx 50-75 grafts each session to be sure you are not damaging your skin. 

There is different types of electrolysis, the one I am going for is the blend method. It is more time consuming but less risk of scarring than thermolysis which works much faster.

The blend method uses both galvanic current(very strong, ideally it would be best to only use galvanic method, but none is doing that, mainly because it can take MINUTES to remove 1 hair) and thermolysis(takes less than 1 second on each hair) combined they need about 3-12 seconds to destroy each follicle, which makes it much stronger aswell than standard thermolysis that is usually meant for thinner hairs.

Edited April 24, 2022 by digi23

[digi23]

6 hours ago, NARMAK said:

I do think it's always interesting when you do get a professional review and they call it as it is. 

Hopefully you found the right person to set this right and i do think it's ridiculous that even if you use a highly tech driven procedure as most seem to do that they could mess up that poorly under what seemed to be a competently regarded Doctor. 

I think this case is just one of many that underscores why unless we somehow end up with a drastically greater supply of doctors and techs or a much more perfected robotic system, we are going to keep seeing more guys end up in these horrible situations. 

I think prices are for the reliable doctors generally gonna keep increasing too which won't help how many more vulnerable people end up in Hair Mills. 

Thankfully people sharing their story like you shows there's doctors out there who are also at least willing to call the poor work of peers out privately. 

Yes I hope I will be done for some time with my next procedure.

What is even more difficult to understand is that I made this thread a month before I had my surgery, I linked it to the clinic, told them I will do a very detailed review of your clinic.

I guess the coordinator maybe did not care to tell the Dr this maybe as he left the clinic just weeks after my surgery, or they did not think I would follow through with the review, otherwise they should have put extra care to it. If they did a near perfect work on me it would probably got them fully booked for months consider the interest in this thread. 

I agree, the Drs who do consistent work and 1 patient a day will be in high demand. 

As a Dr who is performing 2-3 surgeries per week and 1 patient a day told me, about the tech driven clinics doing multiple patients 5-7 days a week, "they will be the richest in the cemetery". 😁

Edited April 24, 2022 by digi23

[Melvin- Admin]

16 hours ago, harryforreal said:

I disagree.  The initial outcome doesn't look soft or natural.  Sometimes I think some people are so pro-HT that as long as something grows "it's a good outcome,"  regardless of aesthetic quality.  The temple points and hairline are not feathered in, the color doesn't even match.  You can't take thick, darker hairs and plug them in in groups of 2's, 3's, or 4's at the front of lighter colored hairs and expect it to match and look natural.  99%?  Absurd.  No disrespect intended, Melvin, but that non-scientific number guestimate is just not even close to accurate in my opinion.

I think some of are you are confusing what I said, let me be clear. Never ever did I say the temple points we’re good. In fact, I said they were bad on multiple occasions. I can only go based off the photos in this thread, but to me, the hairline itself isn’t bad. I believe it’s an acceptable outcome. Again, based off the photos presented here. I’m not referring to the temple points at all. 

[NARMAK]

1 hour ago, digi23 said:

Yes I hope I will be done for some time with my next procedure.

What is even more difficult to understand is that I made this thread a month before I had my surgery, I linked it to the clinic, told them I will do a very detailed review of your clinic.

I guess the coordinator maybe did not care to tell the Dr this maybe as he left the clinic just weeks after my surgery, or they did not think I would follow through with the review, otherwise they should have put extra care to it. If they did a near perfect work on me it would probably got them fully booked for months consider the interest in this thread. 

I agree, the Drs who do consistent work and 1 patient a day will be in high demand. 

As a Dr who is performing 2-3 surgeries per week and 1 patient a day told me, about the tech driven clinics doing multiple patients 5-7 days a week, "they will be the richest in the cemetery". 😁

Honestly, i would even argue it should NOT take a clinic giving preferential treatment where a review will be posted and viewed online to do good work. 

If a clinic does this work if people aren't public or not posting reviews, they deserve to metaphorically burn to the ground imo. Let somebody more competent take their place. 

[SoSoz]

1 hour ago, NARMAK said:

Honestly, i would even argue it should NOT take a clinic giving preferential treatment where a review will be posted and viewed online to do good work. 

If a clinic does this work if people aren't public or not posting reviews, they deserve to metaphorically burn to the ground imo. Let somebody more competent take their place. 

You get what you pay for

[Berba11]

11 hours ago, digi23 said:

Thanks people for your encouraging words. 

Here is a small update, unfortunaly with more maturation the other side which looked better before, had almost only multiple grafts aswell, so we have started to go hard on that area now as one side is looking alot better.

I really hope the hairs is not coming back as it might be a possibility, but time will tell. 

Just know if you have a botch job yourself, you will get there, dont give up.

You're making good progress certainly and this is a very illuminating and interesting thread! I'm sorry you've had to go through this though.

I'm slightly surprised you've gone down this route rather than have a repair specialist punch the problem grafts out. In the right hands the scarring is usually non-existent and you wouldn't actually have needed many grafts taken out. There's an interesting case that a popular HT YouTube who's name can't be mentioned who has a couple of videos about a D-list UK celebrity, Kyle Kristie, who had 1,500 grafts removed by the Maitland Clinic and it's exceptional work with no visible scarring. And 1,500 is a lot to remove!

I guess if the electrolysis doesn't get you to 100% where you want to be, a small number of FUE removals could be used to finish things off...?

[NARMAK]

1 hour ago, SoSoz said:

You get what you pay for

Not always. 

I actually hate this adage being applied carte blanche too. OP at the time o believe had done his research and if i'm not mistaken the Dr was forum recommended. 

[HappyMan2021]

Curious why specifically you are going with Dr. Saifi for your repair? The only comprehensive review I've seen of Saifi is from Rossybop. And Rossybop wasn't a repair case. 

[digi23]

11 hours ago, Berba11 said:

You're making good progress certainly and this is a very illuminating and interesting thread! I'm sorry you've had to go through this though.

I'm slightly surprised you've gone down this route rather than have a repair specialist punch the problem grafts out. In the right hands the scarring is usually non-existent and you wouldn't actually have needed many grafts taken out. There's an interesting case that a popular HT YouTube who's name can't be mentioned who has a couple of videos about a D-list UK celebrity, Kyle Kristie, who had 1,500 grafts removed by the Maitland Clinic and it's exceptional work with no visible scarring. And 1,500 is a lot to remove!

I guess if the electrolysis doesn't get you to 100% where you want to be, a small number of FUE removals could be used to finish things off...?

Yes it is looking alot better. 

I had some talks with some great Drs who recommended to not punch out every single graft because of the risk of scarring. Another thing was that to punch out these grafts, because it is so many, you need to punch them out in 1 session and then wait for 12 months, then have your final repair surgery. 

My skin is pretty prone to scarring and this is very individual, I have seen cases with Dr Feriduni punching out 2000 grafts in the front rows from a bad hair transplant with almost no scarring, but I dont think it would be like that in my case which made me opt to remove most with Electrolysis blend method.

It is exactly my thought, to remove most of the bad grafts so my repair will be easier to do, the fine tuning and detail will be done in the surgery itself.

[digi23]

9 hours ago, HappyMan2021 said:

Curious why specifically you are going with Dr. Saifi for your repair? The only comprehensive review I've seen of Saifi is from Rossybop. And Rossybop wasn't a repair case. 

I have answered most before, but it is atleast 10 cases here on this forum that have followed through their whole 12 month journey, of 42 threads in total. 

I have seen about the same amount of reviews on other places than this forum aswell.

He is doing 1 patient a day using loupes and microscopes and he have been doing hair transplants exclusively since 1995.

I think his work looks very soft and natural, which I am looking for. 

He is very focused on preservation of the donor area and I really need someone who is taking care of that aspect aswell, I think my previous transplant had a slight overharvesting in certain places. 

I have talked to a few of his patients, specially the ones who done temple work with him, who have only said positive things.

Me and Dr Saifi have had a good talk ourselves, which I also had with Hattingen, Dr Sever Muresanu, but his pricing was 4,5 euro per graft and I think it is abit high and he does not really have much reviews aswell, although the reviews he have is very good cases.

I was also talking to HLC but had not really seen enough temple cases with them, I do think they are the best in Turkey though. I was always talking to a coordinator which talked to the Dr for me and it is always difficult to do this I think. Also I did not really want to go back to Turkey to be honest, the HLC coordinator is a great guy though. 

Thats about it, you can always have your doubts and why I dont want to go to some hype Dr reviewed 10 times a week is mainly due to the lack of contact and you cannot really discuss your thoughts and expectations with them beforehand, I was thinking about Dr Mwamba for some time aswell, but the contact with them is a mess, which many said here before. I think this might not have been a problem if it was my first transplant and very straight forward, but as of now I think I need a more personal touch to it.

Edited April 25, 2022 by digi23

[digi23]

16 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

I think some of are you are confusing what I said, let me be clear. Never ever did I say the temple points we’re good. In fact, I said they were bad on multiple occasions. I can only go based off the photos in this thread, but to me, the hairline itself isn’t bad. I believe it’s an acceptable outcome. Again, based off the photos presented here. I’m not referring to the temple points at all. 

From the photo you took out you see 1 multiple and couple doubles in the hairline there. Not sure what you want to have said with that.

Yes the yield is not terrible, but everything except the yield is.

Hair transplants is not about moving hair from one place to another, theres more to it in my opinion.

Its not even worth discussing with you as you have a obvious bias towards the clinic.

Edited April 25, 2022 by digi23

[Melvin- Admin]

7 hours ago, digi23 said:

From the photo you took out you see 1 multiple and couple doubles in the hairline there. Not sure what you want to have said with that.

Yes the yield is not terrible, but everything except the yield is.

Hair transplants is not about moving hair from one place to another, theres more to it in my opinion.

Its not even worth discussing with you as you have a obvious bias towards the clinic.

Digi,

 I have been very tolerant towards you, even though you have thrown digs at me, no pun intended. But it stops now. I have been completely objective from the start. The temple points look bad, I have said that from the start. I can only speak on the pictures you’ve posted. Maybe it looks worse than the pictures. That is why I said “based on the photos presented here.” I have no bias towards this clinic.

I would say the same thing if the clinic wasn’t recommended. Refer to @EvansLawrence thread. HLC has zero affiliation with us, but I have to stay objective. I can’t just say it’s a complete “botch-job” if that’s not what I’m seeing through pictures. So how about you present some better updated photos, to show us the reality. Multiple angles with before and after comparisons. I cannot change my view simply because you’re unhappy. However, I can change my view based on photographic facts. 

[SGT]

The OP opted for the cheaper package offered when he had his HT.  The more expensive option was offered which I believe insured single grafts were used on the hairline. That is how it was explained to me at least.  I opted to pay the extra 1k and mine seems to be fine.  I get the thorough review, but it comes to a point where it gets out of control.  The doctor the OP went to was on the cheaper side and he opted for the cheaper of the options and now was expecting every little detail to be perfect.  Sometimes you do "get what you pay for"  

[RandoBrando517]

20 minutes ago, SGT said:

The OP opted for the cheaper package offered when he had his HT.  The more expensive option was offered which I believe insured single grafts were used on the hairline. That is how it was explained to me at least.  I opted to pay the extra 1k and mine seems to be fine.  I get the thorough review, but it comes to a point where it gets out of control.  The doctor the OP went to was on the cheaper side and he opted for the cheaper of the options and now was expecting every little detail to be perfect.  Sometimes you do "get what you pay for"  

Ya I agree he expectin world class result payin peanuts where’s ur thread? 

[digi23]

2 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Digi,

 I have been very tolerant towards you, even though you have thrown digs at me, no pun intended. But it stops now. I have been completely objective from the start. The temple points look bad, I have said that from the start. I can only speak on the pictures you’ve posted. Maybe it looks worse than the pictures. That is why I said “based on the photos presented here.” I have no bias towards this clinic.

I would say the same thing if the clinic wasn’t recommended. Refer to @EvansLawrence thread. HLC has zero affiliation with us, but I have to stay objective. I can’t just say it’s a complete “botch-job” if that’s not what I’m seeing through pictures. So how about you present some better updated photos, to show us the reality. Multiple angles with before and after comparisons. I cannot change my view simply because you’re unhappy. However, I can change my view based on photographic facts. 

I am sorry if you feel hurt if I question things you say, it is a forum in the end and I guess the point is to discuss both bad and amazing work, correct me if I am wrong.

I just think that it is good to evolve and get better at whatever you do and for that you need to be able to take critique, good or bad. 

We have not gotten a statement from the clinic about their use of magnification but we have sort of cleared it up because of your statement that they are investing in microscopes, added to that Dr Barghouti said it takes "hours for grafts to be sorted under microscopes" and my extraction was done by 1 person, the room was only accompanied by more people in the end of the extraction who helped to pull them out, followed by a short 15 min lunch break, which basically makes it impossible that it was used, if we are not seeing the Usain Bolt of sorting grafts under microscopes.

During implantation I did not see any loupes on any technician and on their Instagram no loupes is showing in their photos.

You have said that loupes is not important before in this thread. I hope you mean it is not important if microscopes is used, otherwise I would question if you ever listened and educated yourself what the great Drs you talk to every week told you.

Here you have some photos, I counted the other day, I counted to approx 25 doubles/multis in the front row. The second row I think is also important which should be only singles aswell, there you find multis and many doubles. It is not just multis in the hairline which we see from the terrible clinics but still needs another row of singles in my next transplant to make it look more natural. 

The density is not good enough for me, neither terrible but very see through. I have thin hair, 45 microns which ofcourse plays a role. 

There is a spot as you can see in the upper temple on one side which grew less.

Here you got some photos.

Edited April 25, 2022 by digi23

[Melvin- Admin]

6 minutes ago, digi23 said:

I am sorry if you feel hurt if I question things you say, it is a forum in the end and I guess the point is to discuss both bad and amazing work, correct me if I am wrong.

I just think that it is good to evolve and get better at whatever you do and for that you need to be able to take critique, good or bad. 

We have not gotten a statement from the clinic about their use of magnification but we have sort of cleared it up because of your statement that they are investing in microscopes, added to that Dr Barghouti said it takes "hours for grafts to be sorted under microscopes" and my extraction was done by 1 person, the room was only accompanied by more people in the end of the extraction who helped to pull them out, followed by a short 15 min lunch break, which basically makes it impossible that it was used. 

During implantation I did not see any loupes on any technician and on their Instagram no loupes is showing in their photos.

You have said that loupes is not important before in this thread. I hope you mean it is not important if microscopes is used, otherwise I would question if you ever listened and educated yourself what the great Drs you talk to every week told you.

Here you have some photos, I counted the other day, I counted to approx 25 doubles/multis in the front row. The second row I think is also important which should be only singles aswell, there you find multis and many doubles. It is not just multis in the hairline which we see from the terrible clinics but still needs another row of singles in my next transplant to make it look more natural. 

The density is not good enough for me, neither terrible but very see through. I have thin hair, 45 microns which ofcourse plays a role. 

There is a spot as you can see in the upper temple on one side which grew less.

Here you got some photos.

 

 

I appreciate criticism, I’m not perfect, but when you say “I can’t speak to you, you’re too biased towards the clinic.” That’s not a critique, that’s an accusation.
Can you post before pictures too? 

[digi23]

58 minutes ago, SGT said:

The OP opted for the cheaper package offered when he had his HT.  The more expensive option was offered which I believe insured single grafts were used on the hairline. That is how it was explained to me at least.  I opted to pay the extra 1k and mine seems to be fine.  I get the thorough review, but it comes to a point where it gets out of control.  The doctor the OP went to was on the cheaper side and he opted for the cheaper of the options and now was expecting every little detail to be perfect.  Sometimes you do "get what you pay for"  

Well you guys seems easily offended. 

The difference between the packages is FUE and the more expensive package is DHI. 

It is a difference in implantation technique, in my case Yaman Implanter was used. 

He is doing pre made slits in both cases of FUE or DHI.

Has nothing to do with what you are saying.

[RTC]

1 hour ago, SGT said:

The OP opted for the cheaper package offered when he had his HT.  The more expensive option was offered which I believe insured single grafts were used on the hairline. That is how it was explained to me at least.  I opted to pay the extra 1k and mine seems to be fine.  I get the thorough review, but it comes to a point where it gets out of control.  The doctor the OP went to was on the cheaper side and he opted for the cheaper of the options and now was expecting every little detail to be perfect.  Sometimes you do "get what you pay for"  

Sounds like a garbage deal to me if that's true.. 'pay extra and we'll do the job properly.'

[RandoBrando517]

22 minutes ago, digi23 said:

I am sorry if you feel hurt if I question things you say, it is a forum in the end and I guess the point is to discuss both bad and amazing work, correct me if I am wrong.

I just think that it is good to evolve and get better at whatever you do and for that you need to be able to take critique, good or bad. 

We have not gotten a statement from the clinic about their use of magnification but we have sort of cleared it up because of your statement that they are investing in microscopes, added to that Dr Barghouti said it takes "hours for grafts to be sorted under microscopes" and my extraction was done by 1 person, the room was only accompanied by more people in the end of the extraction who helped to pull them out, followed by a short 15 min lunch break, which basically makes it impossible that it was used, if we are not seeing the Usain Bolt of sorting grafts under microscopes.

During implantation I did not see any loupes on any technician and on their Instagram no loupes is showing in their photos.

You have said that loupes is not important before in this thread. I hope you mean it is not important if microscopes is used, otherwise I would question if you ever listened and educated yourself what the great Drs you talk to every week told you.

Here you have some photos, I counted the other day, I counted to approx 25 doubles/multis in the front row. The second row I think is also important which should be only singles aswell, there you find multis and many doubles. It is not just multis in the hairline which we see from the terrible clinics but still needs another row of singles in my next transplant to make it look more natural. 

The density is not good enough for me, neither terrible but very see through. I have thin hair, 45 microns which ofcourse plays a role. 

There is a spot as you can see in the upper temple on one side which grew less.

Here you got some photos.

Doesn’t look bad how much did u pay again?