Advice on number of grafts required.

[Dark]

I happened to stumble across this forum whilst researching hair transplants in Turkey.

In the past few days reading posts on here,  I’ve realised that Turkey, albeit the Mecca of HT, has some seriously unscrupulous operators, cabbies some may refer to them as lol. I now have a new list of Doctors after ditching the initial ones I was looking into- Koran and Doganay. Thanks hairrestorationnetwork!

I’ve got a few pictures taken for the later 2 doctors, hopefully you guys can advice me how many grafts you think I would need and whom out of the doctors I now have shortlisted will be able to help me achieve the my desired results.

The first 4 pics are dry hair, then 4 wet and one of rear. Then a couple of what my hairline looked like 5 years ago which is what I’m after but a bit lower, straighter and denser than it was back then. It’s hard to tell in the 2 older pics but my hair is styled to give my hairline a denser straighter appearance. Oh, and of course the old wrinkle your forehead to make it look smaller trick  For what it’s worth I’m 43. 
From what I can tell I’m a Norwood 4V, right? Maybe a 3V??
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2020 by Dark

[Gabreille Nelson Mukhia]

21 minutes ago, Dark said:

I happened to stumble across this forum whilst researching hair transplants in Turkey.

In the past few days reading posts on here,  I’ve realised that Turkey, albeit the Mecca of HT, has some seriously unscrupulous operators, cabbies some may refer to them as lol. I now have a new list of Doctors after ditching the initial ones I was looking into- Koran and Doganay. Thanks hairrestorationnetwork!

I’ve got a few pictures taken for the later 2 doctors, hopefully you guys can advice me how many grafts you think I would need and whom out of the doctors I now have shortlisted will be able to help me achieve the my desired results.

The first 4 pics are dry hair, then 4 wet and one of rear. Then a couple of what my hairline looked like 5 years ago which is what I’m after but a bit lower, straighter and denser than it was back then. It’s hard to tell in the 2 older pics but my hair is styled to give my hairline a denser straighter appearance. Oh, and of course the old wrinkle your forehead to make it look smaller trick  For what it’s worth I’m 43. 
From what I can tell I’m a Norwood 4V, right? Maybe a 3V??
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets start by saying that personally, I find your hair perfect. But I can understand where you feel the deficit. You're maybe a Grade II at most on the Norwood Hamilton Scale of baldness. 

If the hairline bothers you a lot then you could opt for approximately 1000 to 1500 grafts depending on your airlune choice. And your age is favourable too. The progression of baldness tends to stabilize drastically after the 40s.

[Dark]

21 minutes ago, Gabreille Nelson Mukhia said:

Lets start by saying that personally, I find your hair perfect. But I can understand where you feel the deficit. You're maybe a Grade II at most on the Norwood Hamilton Scale of baldness. 

If the hairline bothers you a lot then you could opt for approximately 1000 to 1500 grafts depending on your airlune choice. And your age is favourable too. The progression of baldness tends to stabilize drastically after the 40s.

Hi Gabrielle, thanks for your comments. I note you’re a representative of Eugenix, if they weren’t so far I’m pretty sure they would’ve been one of the top 3 on my list. I’m in the UK...
 

It is indeed my hairline that bothers me mainly, my hair seems fairly thick apart from the front 3rd, where it’s just a nightmare now. I’ve been in baseball cap jail now for far too long 😀 I need to do something about it.

The number of grafts you suggest if really low compared to Koray and Erdogan whom both said - 2500-3000 grafts! Saying that, I did think those numbers were high. 

I’m now looking at Dr’s Bruno Ferreira, Ximena Villa and also possibly HLC in Turkey- not sure on De yet. To be honest, I’m a little put off of Turkey for the meanwhile. All of these doctors charge €2.5 per graft, but if I really only need 1K to 1.5k I can look at other doctors in the €3.5-5 range.

 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by Dark

[Louisjams]

Others may disagree, but I do not think you really need a HT. I understand you may want one, but your hair looks good to me and you risk making troubles for yourself with a HT. If you do one, as I suspect you will, be very conservative with what you have done.

[Dark]

32 minutes ago, Louisjams said:

Others may disagree, but I do not think you really need a HT. I understand you may want one, but your hair looks good to me and you risk making troubles for yourself with a HT. If you do one, as I suspect you will, be very conservative with what you have done.

I’ve pondered this for a while, It’s not a rash decesion. I think I’ve been thinking about it for about 3 years seriously. The right side is the bain of my life 😄 Thanks for your comments all the same! I get what you mean in terms of natural progression of hair loss, however my head shape just wasn’t built for it.

I’m curious though, what do you mean by risk marking trouble for myself? Like a bodged job on the hairline?

 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by Dark

[Britanium]

I would go along with the numbers given by the 2 Clinics you have already consulted with. Anything less I don’t think would give decent density. Consult with another and see what another Dr would suggest.

You do already have very good hair for your age though! 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by JohnAC71

[aaron1234]

1 hour ago, Dark said:

I’m curious though, what do you mean by risk marking trouble for myself? Like a bodged job on the hairline?

Risk damaging or shocking out the native hairs in the transplanted area.  You have good hair, I wouldn't risk it. 

[Dark]

I will consider what you say, however I  think the decesion has already been made. 

[Dark]

Anybody else have any input on the amount of grafts required?

[Zoomster]

Yip... Id say Zero....  give finasteride I try for a year.. your hair characteristics are perfect.. Thick calibre, salt n pepper and with a natural kink... 👌👌

[TorontoMan]

Around 2,000 imo. Given your age, you’re likely a good candidate for high density. Get on virtual calls with doctors 

[Melvin- Admin]

20 hours ago, Dark said:

Hi Gabrielle, thanks for your comments. I note you’re a representative of Eugenix, if they weren’t so far I’m pretty sure they would’ve been one of the top 3 on my list. I’m in the UK...
 

It is indeed my hairline that bothers me mainly, my hair seems fairly thick apart from the front 3rd, where it’s just a nightmare now. I’ve been in baseball cap jail now for far too long 😀 I need to do something about it.

The number of grafts you suggest if really low compared to Koray and Erdogan whom both said - 2500-3000 grafts! Saying that, I did think those numbers were high. 

I’m now looking at Dr’s Bruno Ferreira, Ximena Villa and also possibly HLC in Turkey- not sure on De yet. To be honest, I’m a little put off of Turkey for the meanwhile. All of these doctors charge €2.5 per graft, but if I really only need 1K to 1.5k I can look at other doctors in the €3.5-5 range.

 

 

In my opinion your better option is Dr. Bisanga in Belgium, or Feriduni. Bisanga has a clinic in Athens where he charges around the same price, except he’s one of The Godfathers of FUE. 

That said, I hope you’re not choosing these clinics based off their price alone. Patient results matter the most. Results > price.

I know those names are regularly mentioned by Portugal for their price points, but remember always do your OWN research, and make sure you’re choosing a doctor because you’ve seen their patients results, and you’ve talked to their patients as well.

[asterix0]

You have great hair, why take a risk? I wouldn't do anything in your shoes. 

[1978matt]

Low 1000 grafts for sure, but is the risk worth it?  Would it change your life significantly?

[Gabreille Nelson Mukhia]

22 hours ago, Dark said:

Hi Gabrielle, thanks for your comments. I note you’re a representative of Eugenix, if they weren’t so far I’m pretty sure they would’ve been one of the top 3 on my list. I’m in the UK...
 

It is indeed my hairline that bothers me mainly, my hair seems fairly thick apart from the front 3rd, where it’s just a nightmare now. I’ve been in baseball cap jail now for far too long 😀 I need to do something about it.

The number of grafts you suggest if really low compared to Koray and Erdogan whom both said - 2500-3000 grafts! Saying that, I did think those numbers were high. 

I’m now looking at Dr’s Bruno Ferreira, Ximena Villa and also possibly HLC in Turkey- not sure on De yet. To be honest, I’m a little put off of Turkey for the meanwhile. All of these doctors charge €2.5 per graft, but if I really only need 1K to 1.5k I can look at other doctors in the €3.5-5 range.

 

 

Perfect. I wish you a fabulous result regardless of the clinic you choose. But ai do feel strongly that you require less number of grafts if you do decide to embark on hair transplantation.

[Dark]

On 8/9/2020 at 4:19 PM, Melvin-Moderator said:

In my opinion your better option is Dr. Bisanga in Belgium, or Feriduni. Bisanga has a clinic in Athens where he charges around the same price, except he’s one of The Godfathers of FUE. 

That said, I hope you’re not choosing these clinics based off their price alone. Patient results matter the most. Results > price.

I know those names are regularly mentioned by Portugal for their price points, but remember always do your OWN research, and make sure you’re choosing a doctor because you’ve seen their patients results, and you’ve talked to their patients as well.

Hi, not choosing Drs based on price alone, but obviously price is a factor. Thanks for your advice, and the forums!

After reading thread on here for the past few weeks, I can see I have a lot to learn!!

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Dark

[Dark]

On 8/9/2020 at 4:29 PM, asterix0 said:

You have great hair, why take a risk? I wouldn't do anything in your shoes. 

I keep hearing this so I’ve taken a picture under direct sunlight plus combed my hair up and inward to show loss. I think I need one to be honest bro... Plus it bothers me immensely, I love my hair now it’s stuck under a cap most days 😫

Edited August 10, 2020 by Dark

[Dark]

20 hours ago, 1978matt said:

Low 1000 grafts for sure, but is the risk worth it?  Would it change your life significantly?

Hi,

I’ve added another photo. You still thinking 1K? Thanks for your input.

[Britanium]

Still think between 2000-3000 grafts will give you really good density. I could see the first batch of pics were taken in quite flattering conditions.

The last pic shows you would really benefit from a procedure.

Edited August 10, 2020 by JohnAC71

[1978matt]

1000-1500 tops.

[Dark]

Getting repsonses back from the surgeons, they seem to be quoting between 2k-2.5k.

 

The last 2 pics I’m the first set of pics is how I’d like to wear it, currently it’s either under a cap or combed back down and flat.

 

On 8/10/2020 at 7:35 PM, transplantedphil said:

probably 1500 if you were to re-inforce your current hairline (a rough rule of thumb is for 1cm you want to drop in the hairline you need around 1000 grafts). 

funny how different pics show different things; because your hair is very wavy and your skin to hair contrast is advantageous it can at times look like your loss is very minimal. only the last pic you posted (and your earlier photo where it is wet) reveals your recession. 

is the last photo how you would like to wear your hair day to day?

as others have said though the risk vs reward benefit to your case is high

 

 

[Dark]

Have a quick update,

shaved my hair down low in preparation to have it slightly shorter post HT. it’s given me a far better understanding of the areas that are troublesome. I’ve got a hammer head  lol. Moving on, my main issues are that my recession is pushing back my temple tip area and making it seem like a big round half circle from my ear to the middle of my forehead. 

Now my hair is low it doesn’t seem to me from looking at other people’s HTS that I will require 2500-3000 grafts as a few docs I consulted with (Ferreira, Bisanga and Doganay were suggesting.) To be fair to them, hadn’t seen my hair this low... 

FYI, not too sure about Doganay anymore, not ASMED. I understand that there are better in Turkey for similar if not better prices. Their names allude me at this moment...

Any suggestions on how many grafts it looks like I may need?

ive attaches a pic of what ASMED we’re suggesting, although as mentioned they were all in taut ballpark. 
 

Bit of a picture overload but the more the merrier, no?😁

[Britanium]

Have you consulted with HDC (Cyprus) @Doron Haratiis the rep.

[Doron Harati]

As a representative of HDC, your condition looks great for 43 years old.

On the very first photos I didn't see any problem, but now I can see you around NW2.5 +-, no way NW4!

I can give you free consultant on private if you wish, I'll ask for some photos with measurements.

[Britanium]

Thanks @Doron Haratiyou are always very responsive! 👏