Senior Member Sean Posted April 4, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 4, 2015 Have not spoken to Dr. Rahal recently at the time of roberts post, but have been exchanging emails with clinic. Was suppose to speak with Dr. on phone, but did not get that phone call end of February. Informed clinic. Clinic wrote doc wanted to meet halfway sometime in March but then clinic/me set to meet sometime in May. Right now, im hoping for the best, i am exhausted. Ive been waiting for a very long time to be happy like other folks having distinct results on forums and in person. Very envious as my hair loss was not even as extensive as theirs. Worst part is after spending so much and going through trauma, you still get questions/comments for the issues you were hoping were addressed. I am still waiting and hoping at this point. Shockloss area still affected in donor, density issue remains, temples, hairline, forhead comments. My goals are all outlined in this thread from beginning to emails and hoping after meeting doc in may, they are addressed without any issues. some folks have called me a test bunny as mike was instructed how to do fue in my first surgery to having so many grafts done in one day hurting my yield as reasons to new tech implanting to etc , but i do not know, i just want to be done and over this. Based on the adverts, discussions, exchanges,, i just want things to be as marketed and presented and discussed. Hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FUE2014 Posted April 4, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted April 4, 2015 Any pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member winthefight Posted April 4, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted April 4, 2015 Sean, can you provide updated pictures? I know you are not happy but maybe it is not as bad as you think. Also, have you tried Rogaine on your donor? I think that might help. Good luck and hope you have a positive outcome soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member rev333 Posted April 4, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted April 4, 2015 The 2nd fue didn't help at all? 9 months should show something I feel for you dude You had a good starting point, too In the end, even if it is due to your physiology, Rahal won't abandon you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member zx_toth Posted April 5, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted April 5, 2015 Sorry to hear about your ongoing disappointment with the outcome Sean. You seem to have been very meticulous in your surgeon selection, a healthy guy and you followed meticulous post surgery protocol from what I read in your detailed account of your procedure. You do deserve a good outcome and I wish you the best where this journey leads. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rawkerboi Posted April 5, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted April 5, 2015 Sean can you please provide updated pics of your's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Sean Posted May 31, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted May 31, 2015 Saw Dr. Rahal yday. He examined again and acknowledged . Facial framing/hairline design concerns, temporal issues, density/yield issues, and donor issues were discussed and are to be addressed going forward. To address concerns he did say it looks to be [/u]at least[/u] another 1500 grafts. I haven't really cut or faded my hair with short clippers on the sides. This is due to some noticable donor halo where extractions were concentrated. You can still see it in longer length but doctor suggested two workarounds for it that can be done to remedy situation with donor. He did mention alternatives approaches/treatments and facilities to remedy my concerns and to see how to proceed. At the end of the day, i just want what i went to get a restoration for in the first place without any added tension. This is also Based on the results and goals i showed, including those of patients whose results were highlighted from marketing materials, advert/social media. This has been a very hectic journey so far. It isn't an easy task to get multiple surgeries when your paid time off is used and taken away from your family vacation time. Surgery itself is tiring and stressful. Another thing that can do a number on you is the waiting periods/time towards my restoration goal, to be free and able to move forward. I've been reasonably waiting for quite some time. I am now going on 33 hoping to enjoy a future without hair concerns, hopefully sometime soon. As a war Veteran, this is very important to me. I will be looking forward to finalizing plan of action soon to see what to do. Dr Rahal provided options and said he is willing to make sure all my concerns are addressed. By the way, for the many folks that kept emailing/skyping to ask me questions and tell me they were reconsidering not using DR Rahal due to ARTAS robot concerns, he no longer uses it. He uses a motorized punch and few months ago, he upgraded to a newer one that his clinic seems to be satisfied with. Regarding the punch, you can ask his clinic more about it. So his surgeries are performed by humans, not robots. Hope that clears any confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mav23100gunther Posted May 31, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted May 31, 2015 Saw Dr. Rahal yday. He examined again and acknowledged . Facial framing/hairline design concerns, temporal issues, density/yield issues, and donor issues were discussed and are to be addressed going forward. To address concerns he did say it looks to be [/u]at least[/u] another 1500 grafts. I haven't really cut or faded my hair with short clippers on the sides. This is due to some noticable donor halo where extractions were concentrated. You can still see it in longer length but doctor suggested two workarounds for it that can be done to remedy situation with donor. He did mention alternatives approaches/treatments and facilities to remedy my concerns and to see how to proceed. At the end of the day, i just want what i went to get a restoration for in the first place without any added tension. This is also Based on the results and goals i showed, including those of patients whose results were highlighted from marketing materials, advert/social media. This has been a very hectic journey so far. It isn't an easy task to get multiple surgeries when your paid time off is used and taken away from your family vacation time. Surgery itself is tiring and stressful. Another thing that can do a number on you is the waiting periods/time towards my restoration goal, to be free and able to move forward. I've been reasonably waiting for quite some time. I am now going on 33 hoping to enjoy a future without hair concerns, hopefully sometime soon. As a war Veteran, this is very important to me. I will be looking forward to finalizing plan of action soon to see what to do. Dr Rahal provided options and said he is willing to make sure all my concerns are addressed. By the way, for the many folks that kept emailing/skyping to ask me questions and tell me they were reconsidering not using DR Rahal due to ARTAS robot concerns, he no longer uses it. He uses a motorized punch and few months ago, he upgraded to a newer one that his clinic seems to be satisfied with. Regarding the punch, you can ask his clinic more about it. So his surgeries are performed by humans, not robots. Hope that clears any confusion. Thanks for the update bud, hang in there. If you could redo this over, what would you have done differently and which surgeon would you go with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FUE2014 Posted June 1, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 1, 2015 Hey mate, if you have not had ideal results so far is it worth going back to the same surgeon a third time? Have you considered one of the docs in Belgium who specialise in manual FUE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member wazaam Posted June 1, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 1, 2015 Hey mate, if you have not had ideal results so far is it worth going back to the same surgeon a third time? Have you considered one of the docs in Belgium who specialise in manual FUE? Agree. Sean you have exhausted a good deal of grafts in the hairline. I would strongly consider a FUE specialist at this point. Hopefully Dr. Rahal will take care of whatever costs you have to endure with a third procedure with a top FUE surgeon, or reimburse you for your previous failed procedures. Best of luck and hope you get the results you deserve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member winthefight Posted June 2, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted June 2, 2015 Sean, sorry to hear again. Hope you finally get your desired result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Sean Posted June 3, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2015 Any pics? Will post hopefully soon. Sean, can you provide updated pictures? I know you are not happy but maybe it is not as bad as you think. Also, have you tried Rogaine on your donor? I think that might help. Good luck and hope you have a positive outcome soon. Will post soon. I have been putting rogaine in my donor. Still doesnt seem to do much. Thanks for the well wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Sean Posted June 3, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2015 The 2nd fue didn't help at all? 9 months should show something I feel for you dude You had a good starting point, too In the end, even if it is due to your physiology, Rahal won't abandon you. I feel the same but not too much progress to report. I followed everything to a T and my healing and everything is generally outstanding. Scars rarely form on me in general and even when i had PRK eye surgery, other doctors thought i was lying as my body healed so well They couldnt see surgical trauma in my eye and said you really heal amazing. My blood and vitamin levels are excellent and i do not smoke nor drink. Ive had wisdom teeth removed and etc with great healing and no complications. Per conversation with Doc, he said he will make sure i am taken care of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Sean Posted June 3, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2015 Sorry to hear about your ongoing disappointment with the outcome Sean. You seem to have been very meticulous in your surgeon selection, a healthy guy and you followed meticulous post surgery protocol from what I read in your detailed account of your procedure. You do deserve a good outcome and I wish you the best where this journey leads. Z I really appreciate the well wishes. Just looking forward to a great outcome with the next one. It has been hard to wait for something and then have to go back again. Sean can you please provide updated pics of your's? Will update hopefully soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Sean Posted June 3, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the update bud, hang in there. If you could redo this over, what would you have done differently and which surgeon would you go with? Hey mate, if you have not had ideal results so far is it worth going back to the same surgeon a third time? Have you considered one of the docs in Belgium who specialise in manual FUE? Hey mate, if you have not had ideal results so far is it worth going back to the same surgeon a third time? Have you considered one of the docs in Belgium who specialise in manual FUE?Agree. Sean you have exhausted a good deal of grafts in the hairline. I would strongly consider a FUE specialist at this point. Hopefully Dr. Rahal will take care of whatever costs you have to endure with a third procedure with a top FUE surgeon, or reimburse you for your previous failed procedures. Best of luck and hope you get the results you deserve! Sean, sorry to hear again. Hope you finally get your desired result. Actually, this is one of the solutions the doctor suggested at the meeting. He said he would like another doc to work on me as they may do something different. He recommended a clinic in the states but i told him due to some negative online review and yield concerns i do not feel comfortable with the suggested clinic. Risk of low Yield and poor graft extraction and prolonged out of body risk would probably not be a wise choice at this stage. He then asked me where and i told him one choice under consideration was Turkey. But Then Dr. Rahal said he has no issue with who i go to and he would take care of it. He is suppose to speak to me sometime this week on who and when this week so we can decide. At this stage, who do you guys think should handle my next FUE repair and who should I inform the doc as the person to work on my scalp? Preferably a doc who is good with hairline design, extractions, yield, and temporal work and repairs. Should the procedure be paced with x number of extractions first day then x number the next? Please give me some suggestions as this is a big decision and i'd like you guys to give me your opinion on the doc that can rake care of this. No robotic fue though and im weary on motorized right now. Also, I really would like interested docs that would like to help me get my happinness and joy back, to message me as well. If they are confident in their FUE work and would like to see a war Veteran happy and enjoy his life due to their work of art. I am willing to take a trip, global if needed. I really appreciate everyones well wishes and hoping things go great for me. Will keep you guys updated as I have. Edited June 3, 2015 by Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mav23100gunther Posted June 3, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2015 Hey buddy, Based on hours and hours of research, I would recommend either Feriduni of Belgium or Erdogan of Turkey. These two along with Lorenzo seem to be the gold standard in FUE and are producing killer results. Erdogan if you want to be aggressive with the dense packing, and Feriduni for the hairline. Feriduni has a wait list of around 9 months which says it all. Lorenzo's hairline tends to be too high. I'm sure others will add alternative names to the list, but these are my top 3. And before Busa jumps all Over my back, consider Maras as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member winthefight Posted June 3, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted June 3, 2015 Wow, you definitely have a interesting case! I am happy to hear Dr. Rahal's way of handling this situation. I know that most other Docs would not be offering you this solution. I am happy for you! However, if I were you I would not jump right back into another surgery right away. I would choose a Doc and schedule the surgery for next year. Here's why- first, your head still needs more time to heal- just in general. Next, you had a lot of graphs extracted and you already have donor issues. So, in a couple of months you might not want another surgery and maybe accept your okay results and fill in the donor with smp. These are things you might want to consider. Just my opinion. Whatever you choose, I hope you have a happy ending with this! And finally, from me and my family- Thank you for your service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member wazaam Posted June 4, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sean, I would be interested to see your updated photos. What clinic in the states was recommended? As another poster commented, I think it may be in your best interst to wait 6-12 months and allow the scalp to heal and recoup. You have been through a lot in a short period of time. This is something you can consult with your next surgeon and I am sure they will have their own take on this. The short list I would consider for your case would be; Feriduni Maras Lorenzo Edrogan Dermisoy Hoping you get everything squared away with brilliant results with your next pass. Best of luck!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member fueguy Posted June 4, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted June 4, 2015 Lorenzo if you're going to travel. And thanks for the sharing everything Sean--wishing you the best in your upcoming procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FUE2014 Posted June 4, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 4, 2015 Feriduni's repair results are amazing but long, long wait list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member irishsailor Posted June 7, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 7, 2015 I honestly believe it's hard to look past Dr Lorenzo for yield results. I'm sure from hairline and temple point design, people can argue there are better to choose from, but after all you have through, if it were me, I'd go to the main man. Hair Transplant Dr Feller Oct 2011 Hair Transplant Dr Lorenzo June 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Yonex Posted June 7, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 7, 2015 I honestly believe it's hard to look past Dr Lorenzo for yield results. I'm sure from hairline and temple point design, people can argue there are better to choose from, but after all you have through, if it were me, I'd go to the main man. I agree with you irish, did Lorenzo do most of the work on you? Lot of people say Feriduni does the best hairlines but theres high tech involvement there and you dont know whos gonna be working on you, a doctor can design a great hairline but when the techs are doing most of the work i.e. extractions and implantations it throws a lot of subjectivity to the process Dont get me wrong, the artistic capabilities of a doc (i.e making the slits for implantation) are very important but most clinics now are very staff dependent and you really dont know whos going to be working on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member irishsailor Posted June 7, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 7, 2015 I agree with you irish, did Lorenzo do most of the work on you? Lot of people say Feriduni does the best hairlines but theres high tech involvement there and you dont know whos gonna be working on you, a doctor can design a great hairline but when the techs are doing most of the work i.e. extractions and implantations it throws a lot of subjectivity to the process Dr Lorenzo did all the extractions himself, and recipient slits and placements. The only work the techs did was load the grafts in his pen for the doc to implant them. That's what I loved about Dr Lorenzo , he was involved in every aspect of the surgery. Hair Transplant Dr Feller Oct 2011 Hair Transplant Dr Lorenzo June 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member irishsailor Posted June 7, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 7, 2015 Sean, whatever you decide to do next I'm rooting for you. You went to Dr Rahal at the same time I went to Dr feller. We kinda started our journeys at the same time and I truly hope you finally get the results you yearn for. Hair Transplant Dr Feller Oct 2011 Hair Transplant Dr Lorenzo June 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ersko72 Posted June 7, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 7, 2015 Hey Sean, Wow, I've just found this tread and read all 43 pages. I'm exhausted just from reading, grateful for the detail provided, and so sorry to see you are still striving to get the distinctly full hairline you desire. You account has been amazing, and really opened my eyes to the reality that there is a chance of disappointment regardless of the best research, best doctor and best after-care. Thanks to you, if I do proceed with a HT myself, I'll be going in with my eyes open. I'm 42 and have a similar 'before' hairline as you. As such, I'm also seeking a dense hairline guru and Rahal is on my list - though following your review I'd go FUT with Rahal and live with the scar . I'm from Australia, so have a massive commute on my hands whoever I choose and therefore not wedded to a North American surgeon. I'll be super keen to hear how you progress with investigations on European surgeons . My research to date has me favouring Koray Erdogan in Turkey for density. Based on comments above I'll also take a good look at Feriduni's (Belgium) for his hairlines. Keep up the amazing posts, and all the best with your next steps! Ersko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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