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Yeah, I've got some pre-op jitters as well. But it's also exciting in a way just cause you've got a chance to have hair like you used to have or maybe never had as an adult

H&W always seems to have higher graft counts because they like to dense pack the shit out of your hairline and they try to give you a result that you're ecstatic about. They're also fairly confident that they can predict your future loss to a reasonable degree (using microscopes and whatever other technology) so that they won't overharvest you. It does look on initial glance that it's not covering a ton of area, but looking at your temples, it looks like they're thinning and will need a decent chunk of grafts there. Plus they're reinforcing the hairline which has thinned. I'd personally go for the lower hairline but you should also ask Dr. Hasson how he feels your future loss will progress. Though people do say you can always lower your hairline, it's a lot harder to do it the other way around. The one thing I always wondered though is that if you get a transplant and then get it lowered after... Doesn't that just consume more grafts since you're essentially building two hairlines (i.e. where the density is highest?). Resulting in maybe 3 cm of high density instead of say 1.5 cm (just making the numbers up)

Are the turkey clinics not doing anything to straighten your teeth? extraction + crowns doesn't stop your smile from being crooked

Well... He's well-known for sure. Probably a doctor too.

With techs doing extractions, I think you want to have techs that have been with the doctor for quite a while or at least have a lot of experience in the industry. Techs are just like doctors in that their experience matters. I personally prefer a highly experienced and consistent tech over a doctor doing extractions as long as you know the tech has been with the doctor for quite a while. I think Konior for example said his tech has been with him for like 2 decades or something like that so you know that the tech has been consistently delivering results and honestly even integral to delivering results. The reason being that a tech can bring costs down while not necessarily bringing the overall quality of the procedure down. In fact they might improve the quality of a procedure because someone with 20 years of experience extracting grafts 8 hours a day is gonna have more experience than someone with 20 years of experience extracting grafts, implanting grafts, making incisions and doing the entire process. It would also give the doctor more hours spent on actually implanting grafts, making incisions or whatever else. And also, they reduce the amount of work for the doctor which can help make fatigue less of a factor in delivering quality results. But if you're opting for a tech, I'd want to know the tech has experience with the doctor and has been delivering results with the doctor for a long time which is why some people prefer doctors doing everything as when the doctor does the whole thing you're dealing with one less variable in your results.

I mean Russian roulette is also Russian roulette with your head but yeah I don't know how anyone can go to Dr. Cinik and not have doubts or an uneasy feeling in their stomach

Well ideally you're gonna stabilize your rate of loss with medication like fin or dut. And I guess it depends on how badly you're balding... Not every guy is gonna need 20k worth of grafts every 2 years. There are guys who are NW2 or NW3 at 40 and they're probably not gonna hit NW5 or NW6. Maybe they need a few hundred grafts a couple years down the line. And you're probably not gonna need 20k worth of touchups either imo. I guess I'm looking at it from the perspective of my own case where I'm receding in the corners but not dealing with anything that aggressive

$10 graft for FUT is pretty insane come to think of it

You have possibly the best username on these boards man.

So I might just be saying this as someone with a steady job in tech but... 10k... Even 20k is almost a drop in the bucket over the course of your life. Yeah it seems a lot in the here and now but lots of people can save 10-20k in a year if not less. So at most you're losing a year of earnings. I see people buy luxury cars and that's 10k/20k lost to depreciation that you'll never get back. There's lot of dumber shit you can spend your money on... I check out reddit for hairtransplants some times and the number of people who are making legitimately terrible decisions is baffling. I saw one dude pay more for his business class flight to Turkey than he did for his transplant.

Are you planning on keeping her?

I think on the mid to high end for a given country is probably preferable assuming that the money is paying for the doctors skill and not some marketing bs. I rather not gamble with my hair

A 4 maybe? Scar looks kinda wide but that might be cause I'm not that familiar with FUT scars. Though some FUT scars are super thin which that one doesn't seem like to me. Density is low and I'm not sure about the angles but I don't think you look botched or anything that would scar you for life? I think it's just something you need to get repaired. Edit: I agree with melvins comment on continued thinning

Also, I would take the doctors advice. In your situation, I would just get a hair piece or something. That's the best way to hide your head shape without actually getting a transplant which seems very questionable at best. Hair pieces have gotten a lot better from what I understand but I'm not exactly using one

I always like seeing your photos man. It's really great to see you get a good result with SMP after all this time

Idk, I know a lot of people who feel getting braces in adulthood is weird. So they opt for something like invisalign instead

Well, H&W have Asian results and have a long history of doing FUT

Well I used wax/clay/hairspray even before I knew I was receding so... Probably not gonna change any time soon with or without a transplant

I think most doctors can work with Asian hair since their qualities aren't necessarily so different from Caucasian hair. Asian hair tends to be a bit thicker and straighter but even Caucasians are known to have thick and straight hair. I have read that they can be a bit harder to keep the grafts alive or that they are situated a bit deeper than Caucasian hair but I imagine it's not too major of a difference unlike Afro hair which seems to pose some very unique challenges. So in my opinion, most doctors will be able to take care of you well. Hasson & Wong have a few cases with Asian hair you can find on their site as well as on this site. But really, most doctors should be able to take care of you - straight hair is a lot easier to extract than nappy hair. I think Spain seems like a good place to try too since implanter pens are well suited for straighter hair from what I've read. That and some of the Spanish doctors are absolutely killing it

If you became any more open-minded I think your brain might fall out lol.

I think H&W don't claim to be able to but that they can make an educated guess and they leave themselves enough leeway so that should the balding progress further than they expect, they still have enough donor hair to fix it. I think from Dr. Wongs IG Q&A he basically said that they've only had a couple patients in his entire career get to a NW7 or w/e pattern against their predictions. Plus it's rare that someone who's NW2 at age 40 for example suddenly progresses to a NW7 especially once you add in the doctor looking for future loss. So while it's good to prepare for the worst case, sometimes, preparing for the worst case hurts your ability to fix the average case. Anyway, the frontal third is where you want most of your donor hair anyway. It's not like the midscalp really needs that much density. H&W is pretty aggressive for sure but I'm personally willing to risk the potential I run out of donor hairs on the off chance I suddenly become the third patient who unexpectedly progresses to a NW7. I'd much prefer to improve my average case than to prepare for the worst case while not necessarily making significant sacrifices in the worst case scenario.

That's never bothered me that much with them. A lot of people appreciate the higher density and they seem pretty confident that they can predict future loss fairly accurately while still leaving enough donor should balding progress further. Plus, a lot of people would rather just get one hair transplant instead of having to get 2 or 3 to do the same thing. Plus, those kinds of operations are on guys with limited future loss, lower NWs and for the most part just guys who aren't strapped for donor and benefit from less operations/higher density

Yeah I would think the doctors would determine this earlier but at the same time... Some guys are coming from halfway around the world and they can't just make two trips around the world for HT surgery. Especially if one of those is just to confirm what the rep says and the approximate "game plan" for the operation. So in a way, I'd imagine the clinics hands are tied behind their back on this issue. Especially with COVID making in person meetups more difficult On the flip side, I've already formulated opinions on FUE vs FUT though so I think I'd be able to make a decision "on the spot" if I had to. Or if they do the inspection the day beforehand, I think 24 hours would be enough to decide for me. I think I'd probably refuse FUT and stick with FUE. As long as it's not FUT or nothing, I would be okay since the one thing that would upset me would be to book a hotel/flights and then come back empty handed

Wow age 28??? I thought it was gonna be closer to age 68 not 28. Personally, that's why I feel comfortable going to Europe or North America where consumer protections are more rigorous

Can the final pattern be deduced with good accuracy in the early 30's? I'm just wondering since I'm around that age and would love to have an "educated guess" on my final pattern. Sadly, my temple points aren't as good as his.