Eugenix 3514 grafts (720 on the temples) May 2022 Dr Priyadarshini Das

[GoliGoliGoli]

No one should ever get results from a transplant that leave them with an unnatural pattern of baldness, and sadly in this case that's what happened. Even if the plan going in is for 2 consecutive transplants what happens if the person has an unexpected financial/health situation that means they can't go through with the 2nd procedure or have to delay it significantly? 

Not piling on, but I know you're someone who doesn't mind a frank assessment and that what I'm saying is things you've already said yourself. On the bright side, you did seem to get GREAT yiel, and can at least style it in such a way to mask the issues until you get HT 2. 

[baddecisions]

I love how honest you have been assessing your HT

all the best for your next moves

[GeneralNorwood]

22 hours ago, baddecisions said:

I love how honest you have been assessing your HT

all the best for your next moves

Thank you. 

I hope that i will have second HT next year. I have been seriously considering the FUT procedure for some time now

FUT after FUE can be done. The question of how many grafts I will gain thanks to FUT is crucial for me

[GeneralNorwood]

New update : 

It's 18 months since the surgery at Eugenix. In terms of growth, no big changes. My hair loss is stable, I am on medication. 

 

I had another live consultation for my next hair transplants. I won't mention name of doctor, because last time when i did that, some people started to diss the doctor. What can i say is that i took a plane from Berlin and saw another respected FUE hair transplant surgeon and to do that i had to wait some long time on waiting list for the live consult. 

 

The key notes from the live consultation : 

 

-I am Norwood 6

- First HT caused that now The recipient area for the next hair transplant is over 200 cm2. This is why i need at least 2 more surgeries. 

- Upon an examination, doctor established that  I have donor that can provide between 4000-6000 grafts FUE.

- Plan for next surgery is to implant between 3000-3500 grafts on this ~ 200 cm2 area. Then after 1 year, next procedure for further enhancment.  

- Hairline is little to straight. 

- left temple point is worse then right and can be improved. 

-After seeing my photos from last 3 years, doctor said that my hairloss is stable and medication is working. 

- in ideal world i would need 45grafts x 200cm2 ~ 9000 grafts. 

 

few photos from the consultation : 

 

 

 

 

Guys, feel free to suggest which HT doctors i should consult for my case, thanks. 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by GeneralNorwood

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[jjalay]

I really think you should consider fut and have a consultation with hattingen hair or dr Wong. Another two surgeries with fue is a lot of time,stress and trouble. If you have good laxity and be able to get enough grafts to cover the whole area with one fut that woud be much better, plus you get to maintain your donor in a better shape.

[stephcurry30]

12 minutes ago, jjalay said:

I really think you should consider fut and have a consultation with hattingen hair or dr Wong. Another two surgeries with fue is a lot of time,stress and trouble. If you have good laxity and be able to get enough grafts to cover the whole area with one fut that woud be much better, plus you get to maintain your donor in a better shape.

I disagree. avoid wong. 

[jjalay]

2 minutes ago, stephcurry30 said:

I disagree. avoid wong. 

Why then? Wong seems to be doing some top work with fut megasessions. His scars are also pencil thin.

[stephcurry30]

18 minutes ago, jjalay said:

Why then? Wong seems to be doing some top work with fut megasessions. His scars are also pencil thin.

Not a fan of his graft placement and there are a couple/few recent results that have yielded poor growth. 

Edited November 23, 2023 by stephcurry30

[jjalay]

15 minutes ago, stephcurry30 said:

Not a fan of his graft placement and there are a couple/few recent results that have yielded poor growth. 

He explained this row placement by himself in this forum and if somebody doesnt want that he wont do it. Recently i have only seen one case with bad growth from dr. wong but this was with fue. Most of his fut cases are really good.

[GeneralNorwood]

2 hours ago, consequence said:

 

It seems like may have lost some significant density with your native hairs despite medication, though hard to be certain.

 

Nah, i didn't lose density at all, trust me i observe my hair since 3 years in different lighting. So keep mind angle and lighting and contrast settings of a picture when you compare them. 

This picture that you show from the day of HT, you can see that hair on the sides and back are cutted much shorter then i wear now, this is because that was the hairstyle that i was wearing back then (short sides and grow top to the maximum). So the top is maximal lenght of a hair after over 1 year of growing and using medication. YOu can see that it is thin,short, light colored, miniaturised hair all over Norwood 6 area. 

 

And this is like current picture in bathroom lighting : 

 

 

2 hours ago, consequence said:

and give them each a rating between 1-10.

what is my rating ?

 

 

"Your hairline looks decent as far as I can tell. Another option is to just put up with the hairstyle you have now. With your hair pulled back you look way better than where you started."

This kind of works only with headband on. Without headband, just little wind or daily activity ruins this style and reveals bald spots. 

 

This is picture of the hairline, keep in mind it was made from close distance, so the actual shape of the hairline is distorted. 

 

Opinion of a doctor i just visited about the harline is that is little to straight and that they tried to do some microirregularities, but they are not so irregular in the end result. Another thing (this is not super visible on the picture) is that there are tiny white dots at each hair in the hairline. It is because of implantation technique that technicians used. it causes small portion of skin to pop out. Most people don't notice it, but for example my family noticed so called "dots" 

Edited November 23, 2023 by GeneralNorwood

[BaldReaper]

General Norwood somehow I only just now came across this post and after reading through all of it I would like to share my thoughts with you as well as with all the people that may read this comment.

 

1. You were unlucky not doing enough research and trusted a Dr who only cared about putting you in the surgery chair and not about your physical appearance and long term happiness

2.  At this point Eugenix reminds me more of a Turkish hairmill, 0 ethics and only interested in money, you were a NW6-7 and they lowered your hairline 2 cm and put 700 grafts to your temples, no ethical Dr on the planet would ever have this approach with a patient like you, clinics like Asli Tartan do this kind of things. One simple search with "Eugenix" included in the title will make it clear to everyone what this clinic represents and how they treat their patients at this point. 

3. Bisanga was 100% right in everything that he said , Bissanga is a really ethical Doctor that realy cares about the long term happiness of his patients, Eugenix is not.

4. Additionally to them treating your permanent aesthetic procedure with the same seriousness as throwing a used piece of paper to the trash can , they also caused you coblestoning which you can clearly see in this picture.

 

 

5. My piece of advice to you would be to put all the grafts you have available to the areas behind the hairline and keep using this combed back hairstyle, I believe this way you will have good looking hair and hairstyle.

 

All the best

[BaldReaper]

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by BaldV
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[GeneralNorwood]

1 hour ago, jjalay said:

I really think you should consider fut and have a consultation with hattingen hair or dr Wong. Another two surgeries with fue is a lot of time,stress and trouble. If you have good laxity and be able to get enough grafts to cover the whole area with one fut that woud be much better, plus you get to maintain your donor in a better shape.

Yes, for sure i will have consultation with FUT specialist. 

 

[GeneralNorwood]

45 minutes ago, BaldV said:

General Norwood somehow I only just now came across this post and after reading through all of it I would like to share my thoughts with you as well as with all the people that may read this comment.

 

1. You were unlucky not doing enough research and trusted a Dr who only cared about putting you in the surgery chair and not about your physical appearance and long term happiness

 

I fell for this marketing with educational videos from Dr. Sethi. Looking at this forum, i saw like nearly all positive reviews and i saw that even administrator from this forum went there so that's how i took the bait. 

 

45 minutes ago, BaldV said:

 

3. Bisanga was 100% right in everything that he said , Bissanga is a really ethical Doctor that realy cares about the long term happiness of his patients, Eugenix is not.

 

I agree. Clearly they are not ethical, i was only problem for them to eliminate. When there was little drama in this topic after consultation with Bisanga, they did some damage control and they did video conference with me to assure me that "i'm not alone", even dr Arika who wasn't my surgeon, joined this group video chat and proposed that maybe next HT should be around 1500 grafts. They said that consultant will contact me every 2 weeks, but of course this never happened. They didn't even write at 12 month mark to me

 

45 minutes ago, BaldV said:

 

4. Additionally to them treating your permanent aesthetic procedure with the same seriousness as throwing a used piece of paper to the trash can , they also caused you coblestoning which you can clearly see in this picture.

 

 

 

 

Speaking about coblestoning you mean this white dots in the hairline? Yeah, as i mentioned doctor that i just consulted said that this is because of implantation technique that technicians used, which causes part of skin to break and that he doesn't use this technique. Do you know more about this? Should i treat it with laser? 

45 minutes ago, BaldV said:

 

5. My piece of advice to you would be to put all the grafts you have available to the areas behind the hairline and keep using this combed back hairstyle, I believe this way you will have good looking hair and hairstyle.

 

 

Yeah, the thing is that i never liked and wore this hairstyle and was kind of forced to do it. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by GeneralNorwood

[jjalay]

Right now i think its worth considering Eugenix only if you are sure that dr Sethi will be performing the extractions and incision and will be supevising the procedure, otherwise its a gamble. Many bad results from the lower packages and the other doctors there, it just doesnt worth it. In your case i think the planning for your type of hairloss was also completely wrong.

There is another case of a patient from eugenix in this forum were he paid for the higher package with dr. Sethi and at the end he got operated by his technisians.His result is not that bad but still i think this is really bad practise.

Edited November 24, 2023 by jjalay

[GeneralNorwood]

43 minutes ago, jjalay said:

 In your case i think the planning for your type of hairloss was also completely wrong.

I think there was not planning at all. Just putting hair in the front and forgetting about ~200cm2 behind.

Ok,  there were 350 grafts implanted in the crown and doctor i consulted was surprised of this choice, because this small amount of grafts on the crown doesn't make difference. I explained to him, that they didn't want to adress the crown at all, but agreed to implant some hair on the crown when i mentioned that it really looks bad. 

Now when i go to consultations, doctors examine my donor with devices and say "listen, i can take X grafts from your donor, you will need 2-3 surgeries to cover this area". With Eugenix they didn't mention next surgeries at all. I think that they just expect that after 1 surgery you will come back to them for next ones, when you see that there are more bald spots 🙃

 

Planning takes time. And time is money. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by GeneralNorwood

[mrmane85]

I would consult:

- Dr Pitella

- Hattingen 

- Dr Couto

- Dr Pinto 

- Dr Laorwong (good budget option) 

Edited November 24, 2023 by mrmane85

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[Ajamilo]

I have been amazed with eugenix results lately when it comes to high norwood. they have been perfect to be honest. could there perhaps be something to the fact that Dr. Sethi was the been the main doctor in those surgeries compared to the situation here?

have you tried talking to Dr. Pitella?

[GeneralNorwood]

17 hours ago, BaldV said:

 

4. Additionally to them treating your permanent aesthetic procedure with the same seriousness as throwing a used piece of paper to the trash can , they also caused you coblestoning which you can clearly see in this picture.

 

 

 

When you mentioned cobblestoning i started to search info about this. 

 

In this post :

 

" It’s something that would only occur if the doctor doesn’t have the skill and experience to do the procedure properly.  Cobblestoning specifically refers to A condition where the incisions are made too small for the grafts and as a result, they grafts begin to pop out but only a little.  Because of this, the scalp and the tissue surrounding the grafts become uneven and doesn’t look as natural.  If you run your hand over it, you will feel tiny bumps raised above the scalp similar to actual cobblestoning which is why it’s called this.   The opposite to this condition is referred to as pitting, where the incisions are actually too big for the grafts and as a result, there are small pits where the grafts are placed because the tissue is pushed further into the scalp than it should be."

 

So my condition according to this desciription looks like cobblestoning as  you said. 

 

To be honest, previously i thought it's normal look after HT, because they implanted around 40 grafts/cm2 in the frontal third and i assumed that density is medium, that's why from the close look some imperfections are visible on the skin. 

But after 18 months since the surgery, i just learned another thing that Eugenix did bad and it's called cobblestoning. Good to know. 

 

 

[GeneralNorwood]

11 hours ago, Ajamilo said:

I have been amazed with eugenix results lately when it comes to high norwood. they have been perfect to be honest. could there perhaps be something to the fact that Dr. Sethi was the been the main doctor in those surgeries compared to the situation here?

have you tried talking to Dr. Pitella?

I just saw your topic when you mentioned your surgery with dr Turan. It saddens me that he told cobblestoning is permanent. 

I remember there was a video, where Dr Sethi said that no matter which package you chose at Eugenix, you get same highest quality of HT. Well, clearly it is not true and i can't find this video anymore.

 

I didn't talk to Dr. Pitella, but that's good idea. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by GeneralNorwood

[asterix0]

33 minutes ago, GeneralNorwood said:

I just saw your topic when you mentioned your surgery with dr Turan. It saddens me that he told cobblestoning is permanent. 

I remember there was a video, where Dr Sethi said that no matter which package you chose at Eugenix, you get same highest quality of HT. Well, clearly it is not true and i can't find this video anymore.

 

I didn't talk to Dr. Pitella, but that's good idea. 

I think it is similar to how ASMED was doing great work, really ahead of their time with Dr. Erdogan, and then just went full blown business operation based on reputation of past work. 

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Edited November 26, 2023 by consequence

[baddecisions]

After all the issues, having to deal with cobblestoning is just too much. It completely blows my mind that a top tier clinic could cause that condition.