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To be honest I don't think your hairline needed any work at all. It will probably look great when it grows out but from a planning perspective I would've focused only on the crown for now and save the hairline for later or at least only minimally touch the hairline. It's just a pretty darn aggressive hairline and you might wish you had saved those grafts later. Are you on Fin and Min? For reference, our crown's are fairly similar in size (I had a bit more loss than you I think) and I had 2000 grafts put there and it still looks "thinning". I also had A LOT of 3 hair grafts which aided my coverage. So hopefully Turan put close to 2000 in the crown but looking at it I think it's closer to 1000 or less.

Can you go into detail on your conversation with Sethi? Did he take any responsibility for the situation? Did they offer a free repair? Did they just tell you "you're on your own"? Not to blame you in any way, but I think you're being far too lenient on the clinic throughout this post. They did an extreme disservice to you that could've been easily avoided if they had simply done their jobs in a proper way. And to think this was Eugenix's "founding doctors" and not any of the new ones they've hired. Another one for the Eugenix Wall of Shame. Hopefully Konior can get this straightened out.

This is worse than hairmill behavior, this is scumbag behavior. Ignoring a patient in immense pain; Dr's overloaded by the number of patients they're working on; patient blaming in instances where they clearly f'd up; deceptive and relentless marketing tactics; surprise bonus doctors in training cutting into patient's heads without their consent or foreknowledge. How far do we have to go to find rock bottom for this place? I hope you get good results OP, and I think there is a decent chance you will. But why people continue going to this place is beyond me given that it's a spin of the roulette wheel. Places like Fuecapilar are cheaper I believe and at least you won't have to worry about surprise bonus doctor's in training cutting into your head without your consent. Only a matter of time before the usual Eugenix fanboy crew comes talking about how "this thread doesn't serve a purpose" and overall running cover for a what is clearly an unethical and poorly run clinic.

Not sure this will truly be classified as a repair case unless the plan is to move the hairline a bit? Zarev is really setting the standard and changing the game. Who would've guessed a Dr out of little old Bulgaria would be emerging as the Michael Jordan of HT's.

Great result - you've had no side effects since you've been back on Fin?

This all sounds so sweet! Surely with this patient centric approach they also must spend a lot more time than the average clinic on the pre-op planning stage? Surely with this individually tailored approach to learn about their patient they would not frequently being producing results that are subpar due to an obvious lack of planning? Surely with them being so heavily focused on the needs of the patient they would not put their surgeons into positions where they have to work on 4 patients in a single day (1 of them being a repair...)? To be fair, the questions actually make sense to me - but let's not pretend that's indicative of something it's not.

Can you elaborate on the "negative cosmetic effect" you experienced from topical minoxidil?

The correct answer is "No one really knows". This guy Dr Sergio Vano has run some large N studies that say it's safe but frankly they all seem quite flawed in their methodology at least as I interpret them.

Could be, but I'm not sure why that would be the case. Seems more likely that both the bloating and dark circles are caused by increased fluid/bloodflow to the head due to Min's vasodilation effect.

My personal experience with topical: It works pretty darn well to grow hair. However I did notice that it made my face more bloated and also seemed to have increased the dark circles under my eyes. I've always had dark circles but minoxidil did seem to make them worse. The face bloat seems to go away pretty quickly, and the dark circles do improve after being off for about a week but only slightly. Most concerning: I'm 95% sure it started making my eye/eye area twitch pretty excessively. This only started about 1.5 years into using it. And yes I'm fairly certain it was the minoxidil and not lack of sleep or magnesium deficiency or something. Full disclosure, I was only using once a day 5/6 times per week, but was using at least double or triple the recommended amount simply because it's hard to cover much area at all with the "half a cap full" recommended dose. I've now been off a week but plan on re-starting again maybe 3-4 times a week with a dosage closer to the recommended amount.

This is of course true, and there are a lot of cases where a patient gets a result they aren't happy with due to no fault of the clinic. The difference with Eugenix is, there are a lot of cases where the bad result is ABSOLUTELY the fault of the clinic's poor planning/execution and yet people act like this isn't a trend that is repeated over and over and over. Instead the response is to expect everyone to bury their head in the sand and put their hands over their ears.

No one who's been paying attention to this forum for the last few years can honestly say Eugenix has "overall exceptional results" or "ethical business practices". Nor are they "one of the most well respected clinics in the world". They certainly do have cases where the results are exceptional - but they also have plenty cases where the results are extremely sub-par due to poor planning and execution. This is typical of hair mills: spin the roulette wheel and see where the ball lands. As far as ethical business practices, they suggested to people that their poor results were from sleeping on the wrong side of the pillow lol. They also refuse to admit fault in instances where they clearly screwed up. They also frequently take on patients who should be turned away (Subjective statement to a degree but I think it's blatantly true and there are 2 specific cases I'm thinking of). They also spend an offensively short amount of time in the planning stages with patients. But yes please tell me more about their "ethical business practices" while we hear reports of Bansal doing surgery on 4 patients at once (Including 1 being a repair!). I'm glad you personally got a good result from Eugenix, but you're doing the community a disservice by not holding them accountable for the numerous cases of shoddy work and shoddy practices we've seen in the past few years. Let's praise the good work they do, but let's not hide our heads in the sand and put our hands over our ears when we see a trend of blatant negligence repeated over and over and over again.

OP's donor was butchered. Now, just because of that alone I wouldn't call the clinic who did it to him "butchers". Had they come out and admitted fault and did their best to make it right then I would find it acceptable. But instead they deflected, obfuscated, and patient blamed. This is what makes it fair to call them butchers. And I'm not going to be gaslit into pretending otherwise under a pretense of maintaining "civility".

OP's donor and left temple was butchered, so how is it wrong to call the people who did it to him butchers? Why is that not appropriate? It's not like he used a slur or a curse word lol. I know these posts are close to 2 years old, but Melvin, it's really disgraceful for you to be running cover for a clinic that has a demonstrated record of consistently botching people. To be clear by "botch" I mean sub-par and unnatural results that come from a lack of planning/execution on the clinics part. You're constantly in peoples threads gaslighting them and saying that things aren't so bad when clearly the clinic let their patient down. I could think of a lot worse words for Sethi and Bansal than "butchers".

"Botched" is a term that means different things to different people. To me, if a patient gets a sub-par or unnatural result due to poor planning or execution on part of the clinic, that is a botch job. There are plenty of examples of this from Eugenix.

I hope you don't mind me saying this, but overall I'd give this result a 5/10 or maybe a 6/10. It isn't terrible, you weren't botched, but it wasn't a great result either. Given how aggressive the design was I would've expected a bit more of an aesthetic improvement. Maybe 2700 grafts was too few for the area you covered (Which if true, is on Eugenix not you). Maybe you didn't get good survival rates which led to subpar density. Maybe it's a combination of both. For guys like us who are nw2/nw3 in the hairline area, HT's are tricky. It's hard to get a serious aesthetic improvement while still setting yourself up to look natural 30 years from now as balding continues. But like I said given how aggressive the design was I think it's fair to be a little less than over the moon about the result. Again just my honest opinion, hopefully I'm not being overly blunt.

I've been on this forum pretty heavily since I think May 2022. I've never heard the name Dr Vicint. Does he/she have numerous reviews on here (or other reputable forums) from patients who were happy with their results? If not, what are you basing your decision on other than the Eugenix brand name? Why are you putting your aesthetic future in the hands of a Dr whose results you haven't independently verified?

Look up GeneralNorwood and Captain Haddock's cases. There are others too (Including Tommy1991's) but you'll need to look, I don't keep a folder on my computer titled "Sloppy Eugenix Work".

Do you mind taking a pic with your hair slicked back using product or with your hand holding your hair back? Curious to see how it looks slicked back. Pictures are often very hard to judge from

I'm also curious about this topic. Anyone have an idea on how much it would cost to electrolysis or laser hair removal 2000 grafts? I'm curious what the cost would be if one wanted to get 2000 put into their hairline and still retain the possibility of removing them eventually.

It's pretty well accepted around here that Eugenix is (Or at least "has become") a hairmill. Dr's Sethi and Bansal are both recommended on this forum but Eugenix the clinic is not. Only Dr's are recommended by this forum, not clinics. However this is pretty damn confusing for a lot of people (Especially newbies) and basically obfuscates the fact that the clinic Dr Sethi owns and runs is botching people on a fairly consistent basis due to a lack of good practices. It's all about the money for them it seems. I don't hide the fact that I don't trust or like Eugenix, and personally wouldn't sit down for a beer or a meal with either Sethi or Bansal. They know what they're doing, and if they don't know then they should. Every clinic has bad results and often it isn't the clinic or the Dr's fault, but it's inexcusable when bad results are coming from poor planning on the part of the clinic.

This appears to be a common theme with this clinic. When something goes wrong they obfuscate and divert at best, and patient blame at worst. Maybe you said already, but did you know before booking your surgery that the Dr would be working on multiple different patients in a single day?

Definite improvement, but hairline does look a bit thin and SLIGHTLY pluggy. Nothing a 2nd pass wouldn't easily fix if you wanted to go that route, but I don't think a 2nd pass is 100% necessary either.

Fussing over your looks to an excessive extent is a feminine coded trait. Let's be real about it. Shaving it off is confident because it's a sign of accepting yourself as you are. If you want to do everything you can to hold on to it then go ahead that's why we're all here. But let's not make ill-fitting analogies in order to justify our vanity.

Uhh you could literally just have them make you one that doesn't look ridiculous. Like a NW1 or NW2.