Regular Member baldfighter Posted June 11, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 minute ago, knivesout09 said: No am - as in the morning! wow, I didn’t know they work that late. Was it a mega session with 5k - 6k grafts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member knivesout09 Posted June 11, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 11, 2023 No small amount ~1300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member DutchHair Posted June 11, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, knivesout09 said: No small amount ~1300 That's crazy to me they took so long for ~1300. How much time was the surgery itself? I went to Mwamba in April and they did 3700 in 3 days, although the first day was only ~100 grafts as a test after all of the prep work. The second day was 1900 over 4 sessions (from 8 am - 11 am, 12 pm - 3 pm, 4 pm - 7 pm, 8 pm - 11 pm) and the third day was 1700 over 3 sessions (12 pm - 3 pm, 5 pm - 8 pm, 9 pm - 12:30 am). Even then I felt they could have been a lot more efficient, but at least the time from extraction > implantation was incredibly rapid. Did Mwamba do all the work himself, or did Dr. Ali assist too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member knivesout09 Posted June 12, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 12, 2023 Dr Ali assisted also. I went for partial shave so that may have been a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HappyMan2021 Posted June 12, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted June 12, 2023 19 hours ago, DutchHair said: That's crazy to me they took so long for ~1300. How much time was the surgery itself? I went to Mwamba in April and they did 3700 in 3 days, although the first day was only ~100 grafts as a test after all of the prep work. The second day was 1900 over 4 sessions (from 8 am - 11 am, 12 pm - 3 pm, 4 pm - 7 pm, 8 pm - 11 pm) and the third day was 1700 over 3 sessions (12 pm - 3 pm, 5 pm - 8 pm, 9 pm - 12:30 am). Even then I felt they could have been a lot more efficient, but at least the time from extraction > implantation was incredibly rapid. Did Mwamba do all the work himself, or did Dr. Ali assist too? 20 hours ago, knivesout09 said: No small amount ~1300 I wonder why 1300 grafts for a straightforward run-of-the-mill HT needs to be multiple days. There really is no reason for that. @knivesout09 did Dr. Mwamba give a reason this needed to be multiple days? I personally had surgery with Dr. Mwamba last yr and it was 3 days for roughly 3k grafts. I am having surgery with him next month for 1 day and roughly 2k grafts. Mwamba seemed super confident that he could do all this in one very long day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member knivesout09 Posted June 12, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 12, 2023 I think we started at 11am and then went to 2 am the next morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted June 12, 2023 Administrators Share Posted June 12, 2023 7 months is still early, there’s still plenty of time for more growth and thickening. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member baldfighter Posted June 12, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, knivesout09 said: I think we started at 11am and then went to 2 am the next morning. That's not acceptable in my opinion. Yield will be lower because grafts are out for too long. You may also need more unnecessary anesthesia if it wears off. Also put a lot stress and fatigue on your body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Bronamath123 Posted June 12, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, baldfighter said: That's not acceptable in my opinion. Yield will be lower because grafts are out for too long. You may also need more unnecessary anesthesia if it wears off. Also put a lot stress and fatigue on your body. agreed...I had 4,000 grafts over 5 days and it took all day and night over these 5 days, anesthesia did wear off and I needed more, and I'm unhappy with results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member hairywannabe Posted June 12, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) Well if @Bronamath123 and @knivesout09 are reporting poor yields from procedures performed by Mwamba then it starts to be worrying. Not so long ago we had more dissatisfied patients:https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/63234-dr-patrick-mwamba-fue-clinic-1300-grafts-5th-6th-of-july-2021https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/65602-dr-mwambas-fue-2200-grafts-work-7-months-review/https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/64494-dr-mwamba-june-2022-asli-tarcan-botch-job-repair Edited June 13, 2023 by hairywannabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Dillpickle123 Posted June 14, 2023 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 14, 2023 Let’s all pump the brakes here I still have 5 months to go and although I do think results aren’t what I expected at this point I have to be patient and know there’s sometimes cases that grow way later then anticipated i remember it being long days but don’t know much about how long grafts can be in the solution and survival etc I like the hairline design I like the fact that my donor still look’s pristine so if my result grows in more I will be satisfied if it doesn’t on the other hand I will talk with the doctor about this and hope for a solution 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Maballack Posted June 14, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 14, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 5:21 PM, DutchHair said: That's crazy to me they took so long for ~1300. How much time was the surgery itself? I went to Mwamba in April and they did 3700 in 3 days, although the first day was only ~100 grafts as a test after all of the prep work. The second day was 1900 over 4 sessions (from 8 am - 11 am, 12 pm - 3 pm, 4 pm - 7 pm, 8 pm - 11 pm) and the third day was 1700 over 3 sessions (12 pm - 3 pm, 5 pm - 8 pm, 9 pm - 12:30 am). Even then I felt they could have been a lot more efficient, but at least the time from extraction > implantation was incredibly rapid. Did Mwamba do all the work himself, or did Dr. Ali assist too? Can you please let me know if you remember how much time the hair follicles stays outside the scalp in average Thanks ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Maballack Posted June 14, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 14, 2023 On 6/12/2023 at 5:09 PM, Melvin- Moderator said: 7 months is still early, there’s still plenty of time for more growth and thickening. Hello Melvin, I have an HT with Mwamba in August and I am concerned to see people complaining with the poor growth Yield. What's are your thoughts on this, maybe Dr. MWAMBA should be notified about the issues so he can adress them quickly. Would it be the long surgery hours that lead to this ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Ajamilo Posted June 14, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted June 14, 2023 On 6/13/2023 at 2:52 AM, hairywannabe said: Well if @Bronamath123 and @knivesout09 are reporting poor yields from procedures performed by Mwamba then it starts to be worrying. Not so long ago we had more dissatisfied patients:https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/63234-dr-patrick-mwamba-fue-clinic-1300-grafts-5th-6th-of-july-2021https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/65602-dr-mwambas-fue-2200-grafts-work-7-months-review/https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/64494-dr-mwamba-june-2022-asli-tarcan-botch-job-repair You will find more disappointing results from patients the last 6 months on Reddit too. He is really bad when it comes too growth yield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Maballack Posted June 14, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Maballack said: Hello Melvin, I have an HT with Mwamba in August and I am concerned to see people complaining with the poor growth Yield. What's are your thoughts on this, maybe Dr. MWAMBA should be notified about the issues so he can adress them quickly. Would it be the long surgery hours that lead to this ? Thanks @Melvin- Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member DutchHair Posted June 14, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, Maballack said: Can you please let me know if you remember how much time the hair follicles stays outside the scalp in average Thanks ? For me I'd say there was really no point the follicles were outside my scalp for longer than 3 hours at an absolute maximum. Since my surgery was broken down into mini-sections, the vast majority of follicles were out and then back in relatively quickly (1 hour) -- longer times happened when they needed to hunt for single grafts for temples and hairline. I think it will vary by surgery, day, patient, etc. so interesting to hear others' experiences. But I don't have any results yet since it is too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted June 14, 2023 Administrators Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Maballack said: @Melvin- Moderator I don’t think notifying him this early sets a good precedent. He already responded to both of the threads that were posted. RTC has been in communication and even discussed what Dr. Mwamba said regarding his case in his last post. He gave detailed responses in Ajamilo thread. This result isn’t finished growing, so we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves and claim this is poor growth just yet. 1 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Maballack Posted June 16, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 16, 2023 On 6/14/2023 at 9:32 AM, Maballack said: Hello Melvin, I have an HT with Mwamba in August and I am concerned to see people complaining with the poor growth Yield. What's are your thoughts on this, maybe Dr. MWAMBA should be notified about the issues so he can adress them quickly. Would it be the long surgery hours that lead to this ? Thanks @Melvin- Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HappyMan2021 Posted June 16, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted June 16, 2023 @Maballack while I may actually agree behind the hypothesis that leaving grafts out too long can hurt the yield, I do have to question the accuracy of the infographic you provided. I would say that in general getting 79% growth yield is a good result. In general as long as a liberal amount of grafts are used and there are no donor availability concerns for the future, I think most patients would objectively be happy with 79% growth. I have no clue really, but I feel leaving grafts out for a full 24 hours would have a super poor yield like 30% or below. Are there any doctors out there that actually leave grafts out for a full 24 hours? I am unaware of any who do this this, so I wonder how this data was extracted in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted June 16, 2023 Administrators Share Posted June 16, 2023 I don't believe there is any concrete scientific evidence to substantiate the claims of this graph. As far as I'm aware, there haven't been any studies that compare the growth between time out of the body. Over a decade ago, when Hasson and Wong were doing megasession strip surgeries, the grafts would be out of the body for over 12 hours, and the growth was excellent. So I don't believe you can make blanket statements that time out of body automatically equals less growth. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member BackFromTheBrink Posted June 16, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 16, 2023 That said, there are multiple options for storing grafts prior to implantation (i.e fluids to store them in). You'd think that there would be probably some difference to outcomes, but as you say, it's difficult to know exactly where the thresholds are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Maballack Posted June 16, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 hours ago, BackFromTheBrink said: That said, there are multiple options for storing grafts prior to implantation (i.e fluids to store them in). You'd think that there would be probably some difference to outcomes, but as you say, it's difficult to know exactly where the thresholds are. What I don't understand is that the time between the extraction and implantation is very crucial and should be less than 4 hours for 90% growth and at the same time follicles implanted will still need 5 days to connect with the blood supply to receive Oxygen. At least for me I am going to maximise the ATP spray after the surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member SeanT1 Posted June 30, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Watching closely, I was also considering a transplant with Dr. Mwamba. He used to get great reviews however over the past year it seems to be nothing but negative. Edited June 30, 2023 by SeanToman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Dillpickle123 Posted July 1, 2023 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 1, 2023 Quick update some of the small stubble hairs are finally growing I still feel stubble growing so hopefully next 4 months I get continued growth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member ALittelTeal Posted July 2, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted July 2, 2023 Must feel good to know that growth is still happening. Maybe the lighting is playing tricks but I feel like I can see more density, especially around the corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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