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That's a really good result after 5 months wow. The patients hair qualities look incredible as well for 2k grafts to look like that after 5 months. You would think with how dense this guys hair is, that he would need more but even at 5 months, you can't really tell unless you stare really intently Usually with Asian patients they have really coarse hair but not density. This guy looks like he hit the lottery and got both.

Well using your analogy... You wouldn't refer to a Brazilian as an American even though they are from the Americas. Just the word Asian half the time refers to East Asians and the other half they include everyone in Asia. And then you have the UK who are doing their own thing as well. So yeah it's pretty confusing. Anyway, you don't think it's weird that one country refers to East Asians as Asian and the other refers to South Asian as Asian? I mean technically they're all Asian (which makes it more confusing) but clearly the word Asian means like 3 different things. When you refer to someone as Asian, you could be calling them South Asian (i.e. Indian), East Asian (i.e. Chinese) or being from the continent of Asia. So yeah it's pretty weird that one word somehow means 3 different things depending on where you live, whether you're using the word Asian in the literal sense or as part of the vernacular

Are we talking East Asian or South Asian? I know in the UK they refer to South Asians as Asians which is super weird

What's the point of starting fin *after* your transplant? Get started on that now, especially with how limited your budget is... You need as much coverage as possible for as little money as possible. You should be aiming to keep as much hair as possible and you should be aiming to limit the number of grafts that you need

I'm kind of a fan of going outside the traditional safe zone. I'd much prefer to have my hair an even density when possible. As long as the doctor can confidently determine what the real safe zone is. But you know, I'm a NW2 at 30. It makes no sense for me not to get extractions from some places (even the crown) where I'm super dense

It's totally normal I feel to have a different range. Different doctors will have different goals. For example, some doctors will go for more density than other doctors. Or they might see a different hairline design for you. Some doctors love to err on the side of caution while others are more aggressive and are willing to take a bit more risk to give you the hairline you dream about. My first consultation, the doctor recommended 1200 or 1500 grafts (I forget). Then I consulted with H & W and got a recommendation that was double that. The thing is, H&W wanted to dense pack my hairline while my local doc just wanted to be safe. It's not like either of them are wrong.

I mean I can see why body hair would let you push the limits on the numbers transplanted. If you have 5000 grafts transplanted, with 1000 hairs left in the donor... You could transplant 1500 (i.e. overharvest), and mix it 50-50 (not sure the exact ratios that doctors use) into your scalp for 3000 grafts. And then put 500 back into your donor. Whereas, if you just relied on what your donor could give you, you would just be getting 2000 grafts if you mixed it 50-50 with body hair. The amount of hair I would speculate in my completely made up hypothetical scenario, assuming that scalp/body hair was mixed into your donor at a 50-50 ratio would be roughly 20 or 25% extra donor as you would harvest 70-80% of your donor, replenish 20%/25% with body hair to get to ~40-50% original density. It makes a lot of sense because the donor is super valuable yet we don't ever mix the hairs in the donor with body hair even though in theory we should. Like it makes no sense that some people have a midscalp with 50-50 bodyhair/scalp grafts, but their donor is 100% scalp.

I'd really be curious about a breakdown based on patients specific situation such as doctor choice (maybe local vs hair mill vs elite doctor), balding pattern and hair/donor qualities.

Which doctors are we comparing? Is this basically just Couto/Lorenzo/De Freitas vs H&W/Konior?

Wait, so they're claiming they just combined two or three single grafts to make a multi haired graft? I don't understand. Wouldn't it make sense to just extract a multihaired graft instead of trying to combine them

People speculate he worked on Tom Brady.

Any clue when the H&W topical dut is gonna drop?

I think you got the look where you can pull off shaving it

I think there are scissors that you can use to thin out your hair. It might be a lot easier than cutting small chunks at a time. Looks something like this: https://www.amazon.ca/Professional-ULG-Hairdressing-Texturizing-Detachable/dp/B0722K651D Whenever I get my haircut, the stylist always uses something like that on my hair

Is it for sure the density and not the angling or multihairs grafts in the hairline? I can see 80 being kinda reasonable if your native density is insane, and you've got minimal loss (NW2), and you've got minimal foreseeable loss, and you have very fine hairs, and you have high contrast between skin and hair. i.e. the perfect candidate for high density

I could be totally wrong lol. Gotta wait til it grows in though for sure

I think you might potentially see 80 closer to the hairline I'd imagine. But yeah, looking at some results from other doctors it looks like they're putting 3k in a much smaller area and still only getting something like 60. Probably a bad example I think the crown is a different beast though, the hairline is mostly singles and it's the thing that people actually look at so the density there is probably going to be a fair amount higher than anywhere else. Not really sure it's a fair comparison. Actually, I found an article from the Hasson and Wong website claiming 80 grafts/cm2. (control+f 80) https://hassonandwong.com/our-journey-to-fue/

From the pics I've seen of post-op transplant work, the density looks really low. That looks like a few hundred grafts in the frontal third if I had to guess which is really low. I could be wrong though since I haven't seen a lot of post-op pics compared to other posters I'm sure. I think in that area, you would usually see 2k-4k grafts

That's some pretty good news for my unibrow

Nah. H&W are known for dense packing. I found an article by Dr. Rahal talking about doing 70 graft/cm2. It's probably not too much of a stretch for a clinic with a ton of results of them putting 3000, 3500 grafts in the hairline to be able to attain 80 grafts/cm2. For what it's worth, they said they would use their judgment to decide what they should shoot for in the range of 50-80 grafts/cm2 so I doubt they actually go for 80 most of the time. https://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/many-grafts-need-full-head-hair/#:~:text=Here are Rahal Hairline™,may experience in the future. edit: like this dude had 4k grafts put in his hairline. I legitimately believe that 80 is possible if the patient has the donor density and the recipient density to warrant it https://hassonandwong.com/hair-transplant-results/fue-hair-transplant-4035-grafts/

Nice. I wonder how I can get a prescription from them if I'm on the other side of Canada... Will there be a megathread for the Dr. Hasson instagram live?

Dunno, that's what their rep told me. You can always ask them yourself if you're looking for more density

Heat does damage your hair. Hard to say without knowing anything else.

I think the max density might be closer to double that. When I consulted with H&W they suggested that they could do up to 80 which is pretty much near native density. Though I doubt they would do 80 on a guy with 80 naturally.

I think perfect isn't the right word. But they can definitely check all the boxes, restore you to NW1 status with decent density (though not native density) in the hairline in the right candidate. So in my opinion, that's more than good enough.