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Finally got my hands on a better camera for some closeups, ill make this my 9 month update because i don't really think it matters anymore, at least i can't see any new sprouts between the empty spaces, not sure what the density is but i will send this out to some other clinics for some answers hopefully, if i know how many grafts actually grew there already maybe i can start planning for the future and see if i can get it up to 30-40 fu/cm^2 in the not so distant future, i suppose it will be hard to say exactly how much grew until i shave it off and take some high quality pics of the recipient. Also i think i might have suffered some serious shock loss in my native hairs on the left side, compare the the pics from now to the pics taken from the clinic, what do you guys think?

Thank you man for the wise words, the truly hard part will be to not pull the trigger next year on a touch up just to stop feeling so depressed about it, it's extremely draining. I hope my consults in the coming month will go well and that I can fix this without wasting too many grafts as well as having some over for a future FUT if necessary

Where are you seeing these poor results? Can you pm me young low norwood cases who received an inordinate number of grafts in the frontal third and were left with shit? Also look at the pic I posted of the hairline, there shouldn't be that many doubles in the very front row regardless. It feels like I got a discount HT when stacking up the issues, so how can I not blame the clinic for this.. And are we still ignoring that they told Acegik he had 99% growth from the first procedure?' I am leaning more on a FUE touch up though, we will see what is said after my consults with other clinics as I'm worried about the scar tissue stifling growth..

Honestly bro i have a feeling based on your pics this is gonna be one of those monster results we all dream of

Any updates on this bro?

How many terrible results did H&W produce during the past year? I would like to see these multitudes of bad results from clinics like Konoir, Lupanzula, Bisanga, Cuoto because i can't find them Like i said i don't know why my density is about half or less of my post op but i can only guess it was due to transection based on what i have read online and comparing with punch sizes used by other docs, your guess is as good as mine but it's telling that guys like Diep and Baubac will go up to 1mm based on graft diameter. I have two tripples in the very front of my hairline alongside a ton of doubles. I understand one or two doubles, but this many as well as tripples? I don't need to tell you how a tripple graft looks with 68 micron thickness and high hair to scalp color contrast.

They did 2600 in my front in one day and 200 the following +800 in the back. Punch size used was 0.65 to 0.7...

Any updates bro? Did it improve at all?

I mostly agree with you save for a few points, i really think i got screwed because of my hair calibre coupled with the small punch sizes Asmed uses as well as the surgery being rushed to manage the number of grafts and the skill level of my techs. It is the most logical explanation having gone through dozens of recent clinic posted results from the past two years on the swedish forums and only seeing two close to my hair diameter. The research I have done so far leads me to believe my case required as you said a meticulous and slow approach by a skilled specialist. How can I not blame the clinic for this? They should have looked at my case and said "we need to go slow and meticulous with this one, maybe even space it out over two days", but that is not within their business model. I should have gone with cuoto, konoir or maybe baubac and keser and i genuinely believe they would have given me a far better result with even leas grafts used. You're right in that I can't be sure it was the techs, but I think the clues point in that direction. Whatever it was I went through the doors of that clinic because I trusted them and I was let down, they absolutely did me wrong if you look at my result from the low density to the multigrafts in the front row of the hairline. I mean I have to cover it with my existing hair because it looks so unnatural, maybe if I was 55 years old I could reveal the hairline and It wouldn't look so bad to my peers but at 34? I am not deliberately trying to ruin the clinics reputation and I don't have an agenda, but again looking at Acegiks case, the clinic told him he had 99% growth on his return visit, this obvious lie doesn't raise any eyebrows? Also I appreciate your advice on what surgeon to chose, I don't think you have an agenda but you are very quick to jump to Asmed defense while at the same time relentlessly shitting on other clinics for the smallest misstep. I went to Asmed expecting a premium transplant with good density and a, natural hairline, why would I expect any different? By the clinics estimate I have 4000 donor grafts left, I strongly doubt this however and expect other top clinics to estimate around half of that when I send my pictures out next month, in which case I am truly fucked since my people of my ethnicity don't have a huge donor supply like Caucasians, I needed this transplant to be a success. I don't want to be 44 with a depleted donor and a bald head, at the same time I don't want to live out my 30's with this mess, so what do I do? Right now I am considering waiting 3-4 years for either a FUE with Cuoto, or a FUT with Konoir which would probably be the wisest choice for me considering the future.. but a big part of me wants to try and patch this with "only" 500-700 grafts now with someone like Naidimi or Baubac if possible to make it look acceptable, not perfect, just acceptable. I fear maybe FUT might the only way for my hair calibre unless I want a 1mm punch used on me like Diep does, but he does that for a reason with I believe with Asian hair types.

Sorry man but it's ridiculous to say more sprouts won't happen at the 4 month mark, and can you take some more zoomed out pics? It looks like you are having some very nice growth so far

Im confused, you asked and they flat out said no? Or was the wait time too long do you mean?

Do you know why konoir is not taking new patients? Is he retiring?

Well i can't say for sure but it looks like you have early growth which is a great sign, you will likely see a pretty radical change in the coming 2 months, I would personally cut my native hair in a way where I could fringe it over the transplanted hair, looking forward to seeing your progress bro, you should make a thread on it

Mind sharing more details? Got any pre op and immediate post op pics? Who was your surgeon? If that is the growth you are seeing on bald scalp after only 3 months I would say wait two more months then cut your hair short and it will look amazing

I respectfully disagree mate, please show me a case from a NW3 with a reconstructed hairline with low density and pluggyness that resolved itself after 8 months? I've looked at hundreds of results and haven't found a single one. The case above is not applicable to my situation, I need about double the fu/cm2 in the hairline to remove the pluggy appearance. Every surgeon I have reached out to now have told me that for my specific case I should wait until the 10-12th month before assessing the damage. After 10-12 months you are past two growth cycles, the hair will mature yes, and if you were lucky like the guy above and had a burst of growth at month 8-10, your new sprouts will take a couple of months to mature and you might end up with a decent result. I literally have between 50% to 25% of the implanted density (40-44fu/cm2) in my hairline guys, I mean at what point do you just and face the facts at hand and accept defeat? I'm sorry for whining, It makes me so sad because I put all my trust and hope in this man, not some nameless techs or Dilek or my coordinator but in Dr Erdogan. I am gutted over this, that much has been established, but it's almost time to move on from this and look forward. Like I said before I have correspondence with a couple of surgeons. I will wait until the 12th month before actually going under the proverbial knife again, but I am starting to plan for it already. I believe on the right side and middle I could get away with 500 grafts, I think the left side needs around 1000 grafts and I simply cant do 1500 grafts with my donor capacity.. it would deplete it for the future I believe. My thinking is I could put most grafts into the right side and the front, and slick my hair to cover the left(bad) side to get away with using the least amount of grafts, going all out on the HTs are an illusion thing for now and reassessing when I'm older. Another option of course is to simply use as many grafts as needed to fix everything( low density, asymmetry, doubles in hairline) but I would probably be in trouble in 10 years when my hair loss progresses, although I have Robin Williams level body hair so theres always that. Third option is to leave it, there is added risk now due to the scar tissue and I might even be worse off after a second surgery due to transection, shock loss or poor yield. A second surgery probably won't really tell us anything about my physiology if it fails since we are now transplanting on impacted tissue which from what I've read is much harder than virgin scalp, is this true? I would have though the increased vascularization would add some benefit? Whatever happens, if I go with with another transplant I need a surgeon who either does everything themselves or are more involved in the process, and win lose or draw are with me every step of the way. If it fails it fails, but at least then I can be certain it's due to me and not some unknown factors, and that did everything in my power to make it right. Sorry for ranting, what do you think?

Told you not to worry bro, it was evident from your 4 month your result would be good imo, and you still have a lot more to get from this. Considering your pre-op state I would say it's a huge improvement, how are you feeling?

I asked again and they answered now that they believe it was 40-44fu/cm2 on average. I had 800 grafts put in the crown as I didn't want that many grafts on there, I think the crown is a waste of grafts due to the risk of poor growth and when it's so easy to conceal with toppik, and frankly I can always fill it up with body hair later, the hairline is your top priority. The reason I'm not bothering with crown pictures right now is simply because I'm not seeing any difference comparing to my preop pics, but then the crown takes longer to grow so by month 10 hopefully there will be a noticeable difference and I can show you a comparison.

Adding two additional photos, my implanted density should be 2800/70=40 I think since they added 200 extra to the front on the second day, I will try to get an average on what is currently growing

Looks like a knockout result man even when slightly wet despite your thin hair diameter it's very dense and natural, you must be over the moon with this

That guy was a norwood 5-6 though I think?, I was a norwood 3 so I expected a little more than just some extra hair on the head, if a transplant doesn't have density it looks unnatural, especially with my hair type. Could you send me your examples please man?

Mate don't you think I did that? He explained how I could do it myself, but I don't know how to exactly measure my recipient area based on the pictures.. was the transplanted area cm2 somewhere in our post op documents perhaps?

Really need your help here guys, can someone with more experience estimate what my implanted density was based on these pictures?

I believe this as well but in stephens case his hair is not thick, unfortunately we don't know exactly who performed the extractions as Asmed doesn't disclose this. Stephen do you have any updates? Will you try to get a refund? And how is the clinic explaining this?

You say one poor result yet on this very forum there are a number of them, boulderbalder, webhandler, rwethereyet, planetstephen, ht0416 and me, these were the ones i found with a quick search and more on other forums as well, they are not hard to find. Look at Acegiks first thread (older case), Asmed supposedly told him 99% of the grafts survived his first transplant, how is that possible?

Did she show you any other results in your consultation? And how many donor grafts did she estimate you have?