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I appreciate it mate, it is not easy going against the grain on a popular surgeon like this, being called everything from mentally ill to dishonest and disingenuous. I hope my thread gives other dissatisfied Asmed patients the courage to step forward, you can PM me otherwise if you want to talk. Anyhow, sorry for the notification spam fellas, I've turned them off as well, I don't like that it is turned on by default. I will take some more detailed pics with a real camera to showcase the issues at the 8th month mark, in the meantime my coordinator has stated that the conversation is over, and Koray has not responded to my pictures for 5 weeks. I only want answers and nothing else from the clinic at this point.

Judging by how blurry parts of the image is it looks like his camera adds softness, I have this issue myself and will borrow a dslr to show the true extent of erdogans work, there are countless doubles and tripples in the first 0.5 cm of my hairline, many are at the very front. For someone with dark thick hair compounded by the low density it just looks awful, we are past the realm of touch up here.

It's because Erdogan for whatever reason puts doubles in the very front, i have this issue and many before me, and it can only be fixed with a repair.

Wish i could show it to you in real life, the left side is so sparse i cant slick my hair, it is exactly as bad as the pictures show

Kind of mean calling me unhinged mate, lol. I am voicing my concerns about certain aspects of their methods, yes I am emotional, I went into this with so much hope an excitement and have been left disappointed. But being emotional and rational are not mutually exclusive in my opinion. I will share my feelings when I post, but I'm also trying to take a critical look at the clinic, simply don't believe that "bad transplants just happen sometimes", there must be a root cause and if I'm going to ever do this again I should at least make an attempt at finding that root cause.

I think you should compare them to month 6 instead. Even in the pics above you can see the problem areas barely had any growth in the past three months.

I really appreciate the concern brother, I will be fine though. As anyone will tell you it sucks when you are speaking to someone and their eyes focus on your hairline, really makes your heart drop and I have been quite depressed over it. I do firmly believe this can be fixed though, there is still a couple of months left of maturation and I am making plans for a surgery to fix this in the meantime, mainly the density and the doubles in the hairline which look especially awful with thick dark hair. I am being cautious though and won't rush into anything, no surprises this time.

Hey man, do you have a thread on your HT? Would really like to follow your progress, hope it turned out good for you, were you satisfied in the end? I disagree on the 3rd point however, I was not ready for the Asmed experience is all. You could blame me for not reading the forums beforehand like Jean, I personally blame the clinic for not being upfront about the whole process. The experience left a foul taste in my mouth unfortunately and I couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong, it felt like I was on a conveyor belt in the Asmed FUE factory and as much as it pains me to say, it's starting to look like I was right.

Erdogan was much more involved earlier with his lead tech named Dilek whom he supervised, now he barely enters one of FOUR operating rooms to do the incisions and leaves supervision to Dilek, a tech supervising techs. How is this not raising eyebrows? Is he trying to set a record for most surgeries in a day? Are 4 completely tech driven and supervised surgeries in parallel also the industry standard? If he had been more involved I would have accepted the result, but now of course I worry that maybe it was due to negligence. Of course the assumption when booking a surgery with Erdogan is that he will perform most parts of it or be very involved, how can you even argue this point.

Honestly man it's impossible to have a discussion with you when every other sentence you type is either name calling or hyperbole

His latest response from a month ago was quite unprofessional, I understand he feels I am trying to sully the reputation of the clinic, but we must be able to discuss the lesser known aspects of his process and the dangers to patients without resorting namecalling and attempts to discredit the patient as Jean is doing here. I have done my research and the fact is Asmed has a number of par results lately when most of their patients are great prospects for a successful transplant, I am compiling a list of these, they clearly changed their model to maximize profits and Erdogan is not nearly as involved in the process any longer, he even leaves supervision to his lead tech. Most patients have no idea of these things because the clinic is not upfront about it. Claiming 90% of the complaints come from me is ridiculous, I have been contacted by several unhappy patients who are afraid of going public as I am due to the obvious. Erdogan has a responsibility as my physician to explain to me what went wrong despite his personal feelings, at least answer my questions, not give me pointless platitudes and then ignoring me. You call it mudslinging but I have not said anything false anywhere about their process. I think it is important we are open and honest and attempting to discredit the patient is not doing the clinic any favours.

I have been updating Koray with pictures asking him what he thinks is happening, last time he answered was over a month ago

I'm not going back there its too risky, you have no idea which techs you are getting on a given day, clearly they have tech teams that perform better than others judging by the results I've seen. We don't know anything about these people, age, education, not even names. They look in their mid twenties at most yet the clinic claims they have at least 5 years of surgical experience? How is that even possible are they pick them out of high school or something? Clinic is pretty much ignoring me now as well. I'm doing them the courtesy of mostly containing my criticisms to this thread for now. In the end i will know what my yield was.

Don't hold your breath waiting for any answers

No i agree with him, i think looking logically at it you introduce a lot of unknowns with having this many patients a day, everything to maximize profits i guess. I am over 7 months and i have never been this self conscious about my hair, it looks really bad in real life, peoples eyes keep drifting to my hairline when I speak with them and I understand why, my camera adds noise to the pictures making them look better and the hairline softer, in real life it looks like black toothpicks stick from my head. I have to hide the hairline like these two guys, which absolutely sucks but will have to do for now as I can't handle the looks I get, trying to get other opinions in my case from professionals in the field as well.

I mostly agree with you, even if my surgery had a great yield It would probably not look that great due to all the doubles in my hairline, at least it would not look as bad as it does now

I agree with Gas, we should be able to criticize the clinic but try to be constructive man, they have certainly had great recent results no doubt

Money is not the issue for me, lost grafts are much much worse, they are priceless. While I wish I had kept my cool earlier in the thread as it is easier to antagonize and discard an emotional response, I don't regret arguing that there are a number of recent sub par and what I would consider failed Asmed results, and I still firmly believe that it is due to the techs as the clinic very rarely did badly when Koray and his head tech Dilek had more involvement. It is important for me to look at the facts and get to the bottom of what happened here so that I can plan for the future.

Hey is that you in the picture? What a great result you got, happy for you bro. I really do need a touch up though unless i have an explosion of sprouts which i doubt, but i will wait until month 8 or 9 before i book as i think any staggering sprouts should at least be visible by then.

Month 7 Probably no point in this update since I've posted so regularly. I took pictures if both sides and some closeups, trying to show the gaps in density with these pictures. Also adding a post op picture for comparison. It makes me sad to see the post op and what I currently have, I think the front is a bit better in terms of growth, the right side looks better than the left which has too few hairs to even slick the hair, I have to cover it. I had more hair on the right to start with though. The full face picture is of the "good" side. I can't see any new sprouts anymore, not sure how many % of the implanted grafts are growing at this point, I'm sure someone more experienced could make a rough assessment by looking at the post op. I know I have to wait 5 more months before taking action but I would like to plan ahead and book someone right now, I have no problems using toppik on the crown and midscalp, but applying toppik to the hairline is a huge pain and you are constantly self conscious about how it looks, I can't live with that and need to fix it in a couple of months.

I have some toppik there, like I said I can't go out without it

It's a bit different though as my issue is graft survival, yours look like most your grafts survived when i looked at your old thread, you had really nice density. I think i can expect some improvement in the coming months, but it won't be enough even for an average result, especially not on the left side where it looks like i had a terrible yield..

I don't understand how you could say this guy had high expectations, with 3000 grafts and 75 micron caliber he should be looking at much much more than that

Took these today. Don't think I can go out without toppik, anyone have tips for concealers? Something that is a bit easier to apply and doesn't make such a mess, from a spray bottle would be nice

A dermatologist should be able to help you, can you show some pictures?