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Appreciate it man, I will try to book with another clinic soon, hopefully I won't need too many grafts. I would settle for a semi-decent result at this stage, at least so I can't see so much of my scalp. And the clinic I book with should be able to see roughly what my yield was from this surgery as well.

It is the unknown variables that is keeping my up at night, I need to know what went wrong and based on what I've read on realself from other surgeons it is most likely mishandling of grafts, which is why I got stuck on the techs. If I had a bad result with konoir I wouldn't have acted like this because then I would be sure it wasn't his fault, the same had been true if Dr Koray had performed the whole surgery on me, or at least had been present in the room. I wanted him to watch over me that day. I really am not lying I truly thought the whole day would be focused on me, i had not done my research. You're right though, I really wish I had been more level headed and calm in this thread, the anxiety is overwhelming and I am constantly self conscious over my hair looking pluggy and unnatural. I really don't mean to sling mud, I am trying to explain things from my perspective and I'm sorry if that comes across as trying to sling mud at the clinic. The clinic has been as accommodating as possible, I even have a direct email contact with Dr Koray, but he feels I am trying to ruin the clinics reputation which I can completely understand why he would think that but again, I am trying to explain this ordeal from my experience and am NOT trying to sling mud. Ultimately going back to Asmed might be a bad decision, clearly what they are doing is working great for others, you and many people that posted in this thread included, but not for me.

Thank you bro, it really is frustrating being accused of this and that.. I'm trying to get some second opinions on why this could have happened but not sure who to ask.

I suppose you are right in that i felt something was wrong from the start.. i became discouraged and worried by the fact he had so many patients a day, and how little you actually saw the doctor, I genuinely thought I would sit and discuss my case with him, present and future for a length of time, and those very young girls performing the extractions.. i don't know I appreciate the optimism, I can't see it happening through, I look every day for new sprouts in the 2 first cm of the hairline and see nothing.. it just looks really bad in natural light due to my dark thick hair and low density, i need more grafts, trying to get in contact with konoir to no avail.

This is false, look at this picture of my post op, compare the density of the grafts to my native, and then to my recent pictures, it's nowhere near.

No mate only finasteride, would prefer to avoid minox if i could to be honest and to be fair i don't think it would help me enough, my density issues are all over the transplanted area so only another transplant would help I think

A transplant that looks unnatural is by definitional a failure. You keep blaming me for having high expectations and I don't get it, I expected more than this with my number of grafts and hair caliber yes, I don't see how that is setting my expectations too high. I apply toppik to both my hairline and crown before I go out for work or anything else, it takes me 40 minutes at least as it is hard getting toppik in the hairline to look decent and is absolutely soul destroying. If my hairline looked anything like yours did at even 6 months and I only had to use toppik on the crown I would be over the moon, please kill this notion that I expected perfection, at 7 months I didn't expect it to look like this is all.. I know the growth timelines and I know we need to wait until the one year mark, but it's pretty obvious at 7 months that a lot of my grafts never grew..

Hadn't noticed it, it doesn't itch in any case

Not sure if you're serious but It looks awful man, It looks so unnatural because of the low density and my thick dark hairs. Don't know what to do, just been depresses as fuck over this, even considered buzzing it down for now but not entirely sure how that would look, trying to find some pictures on buzzed transplants.

I'm afraid of this, don't think I could handle another setback were it to happen, even worse I read other users that were left worse off after their repair/touch up, and I fear for the future. Since I have asian hair my caliber is great but I don't have that many grafts left in the bank, I really need to plan for the future here as I don't want to be left without options when I'm older. On the other hand I don't think I can live with applying toppik in the hairline every day which is a pain as anyone will tell you, so it all depends on where the density is at on the right side in a couple of months. If it's enough so I can style my hair that way without using toppik, I can live with covering it as I do right now, it's not ideal but not a total disaster either. Trying to be level headed and rational here for the sake of my future self, so really hoping for more density on the right side.

Appreciate it man, the conditions on the last pic is the same as this one taken 2.5 weeks ago so yeah, definite improvement on this side, hoping it will look good in the end.

I'm less than a week from month 7 so technically 5 months. Not happy at all man, doubt I will be at 12 months, the pic above is of the good side and even there the yield isn't great, there are so many issues from doubles in the hairline to density issues despite my hair caliber, trying to be positive though and trust the growth timelines as there is still time improvement. The other side will not improve enough, I've lost hope there, there isn't even enough hair to stick together when I try to slick it, if I look at pictures with my hair a bit greasy the poor yield is more evident, it's evident from the hairline as well with the pluggy look, or when I slick my hair and there is no volume on that side and it kind of just falls flat. Doubt even 500 grafts survived there but it's hars to tell... at least I can hide it by slicking my hair over it for now until I get it fixed. I expected more from this clinic, and especially expected more from koray in our mail conversations. I'm done with them, its just too depressing to think about. Maybe in the end I can slick my hair on the bad side to cover it and my scalp won't be visible on the good side, lets hope.. Appreciate the positivity guys, I know no one wants to read threads like this, we all hope the best for ourselves and each other in the end.

Thank you man, but i was more thinking in line of your experience from other cases, lets say my situation didn't improve at all, how many additional grafts would i need to get an acceptable result with my hair calibre of 70 microns?

I wanted to hear your guys opinion on how much % density i would need to not see the scalp in natural light...

Which forum? I honestly think you have really nice growth so far and it should fill in even more during the next month, hoping the best for you bro.

It is definitely a fact that tech skill and experience plays a huge part in graft survival rate so that can't be discounted. I will address the consistency and honesty of this clinic in my next update with some examples, don't wanna derail your thread.

No need to become defensive I am genuinely curious. Different techs will most definitely have different skill and experience levels. If i went in and had a great result the first time like Jean i would obviously want the same team of techs.

Did you have the same techs as well? And did you opt for prp either of the times?

Looks really promising, is it growing better than your first transplant?

Erdogan is barely doing anything these days, he has 4 teams of techs and is claiming they all have 5+ years of experience, it is laughable, you're telling me he's had 12-15 apprentices since he began performing FUEs.. it is hit and miss with this clinic, some guys get fantastic results, others very sub par and down right failures. Look around this forum for examples.

I don't understand, it's as if we are looking at different pictures, this guy has mostly uniform growth at 6 month so of course he can expect a nice result. Still look at the low density areas in his hairline and you will see they mostly remain at the 15th month.. there is no drastic change in the problem areas.

Its really hard not to jump to conclusions.. at 6 months the low density is really apparent if you have poor growth since the hairs that grew get thicker and the gaps more obvious, and every day you look in the mirror hoping for sprouts between the gaps but nothing, it's a nightmare.. I don't understand how the situation can improve that drastically unless you somehow magically have an enormous number of sprouts after 6 months.

I don't get this, people in this thread frown upon techs doing the extractions yet there are several tech heavy clinics recommended on this site?

That is not hair greed and if anyone tells you anything else they are working for Asmeds marketing department. With your hair calibre and number of grafts you should have more, but maybe it is not too late. You should still wait a couple of months I think. Can you take a picture with your hair pulled back to reveal the hairline?

Thank you, I really appreciate it, will wait 2.5 weeks until my 7 month mark for a new update, hopefully it has improved some more