jonnyalex

My experience was an average result behind the hairline (damn well better be for that amount of grafts). The hairline itself was gappy, but nothing like as bad I am seeing now. This may I had surgery with Dr. Keser to fix it - he questioned the number of grafts used previous. The experience was night and day but obviously I cannot speak of the result yet. No thread. This forum directly influenced me to go with ASMED however.

Ok, but, you are probably going to lose any non transplanted hair and be left with no hair around your transplanted hair. Then what? You are out of grafts after this.. Futhermore, if you insist on going this route, you need to visit a hairline EXPERT ! ASMED's tech's are about as far from this as possible. If Konior or Hasson and Wong agree to work on you, your answer is either one of them. A bad result from these guys is rarely seen on these forums. Bad results from ASMED are everywhere.

Are you seriously not blocking DHT and hoping for perfection?

I don't believe I contradicted myself at all. The tech's at H&W have massive experience; ASMED's simply don't. They are new in the FUE world yes, but they still maintain the same level of artistry as they did with FUT. I clearly wrote this is "almost" always the case and the surgeon should perform "most" of the work. You have proved nothing. H&W do perform most of the procedure themselves or at least present to make sure it doesn't mess up. I have had a 4600 graft HT with ASMED. The doctor was present for a matter of minutes. He has built a reputation on using an obscene amount of grafts for even minor cases, irrespective of patient age. I'm sorry, but any idiot can line the recent results side by side (patient results) and see what I am talking about. You simply rarely see these kind of gappy hairlines from the majority of top clinics these days. I mean, let's get real here; Just look at these hairlines. This is not acceptable. Presumably this is why he is now offering a touch up before you even request it now. A touch up when you have already had a 4264 graft HT is an issue though.

Maybe, maybe not. I'd assume they'd start some off in the old clinic instead of immediately hiring a load of new techs.

I only go on my own experience and recent results since they moved clinic, performed more surgeries per day and seemingly used less experienced techs. I did not see this before the change of clinics. Nothing has been 'proven' to be true in my view and when you look at these hairlines, I keep seeing the same gappy work in recent results. I strongly believe this coincided with the change of clinic as this change was quite sudden. The techs at H&W have huge experience and the clinic put's out world class results constantly. Some of the tech's at ASMED are barely 20 and I have seen shocking results recently that I didn't see before. You are free to make your own conclusions.

It is seemingly almost a given now that you need a touch up after an ASMED procedure. The truth is though, unless you go with an actual world class surgeon who performs most of the surgery himself, this is almost always the case.

Yes, like ASMED, you can't even enter without putting plastic protectors over your feet. He has all the tech he needs, but it is nothing compared to the building ASMED has. Everything is very hygienic. He is extremely professional.

I totally respect your decision to not take any drug. I do question the part where you talk about shock loss though... ? This simply isn't true at all and the consequences of not taking it are worse than any kind of shock loss. If you mean 'shedding', then yes, but this is a good sign. Either way, Kaan Pekiner is a great up and comer, you are certainly correct.

How do you feel about this now? Would it still not have been worth taking the drug to you? Either way, I wish you success in your future surgery. Thanks for posting this, it is really interesting to see.

You'll only realize this if you see his clinic. He is just 1 guy with two assistants. He doesn't have the time for multiple patients a day, word of mouth is all he needs at this point.

I can only comment on my experience with Keser compared to ASMED as I had surgery with both. Having the doctor perform the entire process made a huge difference for me. It is not a HT factory like ASMED and you don't have barely 20 year old techs operating on your head. At ASMED, the doctor spent about 45 minutes with me. With Dr Keser, I spent the entire process with him. Remember, this is the guy who brought FUE to Turkey. The downsides were that I didn't like Ankara at all - I never felt at ease outside of the clinic. Istanbul is more welcoming and friendly. The hotel that Dr. Keser has a deal with is pants too. What is important is the result however and I cannot comment as I am only 3 months post-op. Also, ASMED didn't contact me even ONCE to check how I was or how the result was. Very strange experience. Poor in many ways. Keser's translator has contacted me multiple times already.

He isn't recommended here because he does not need the influx of patients and has no desire to pay the membership fee's.

this is tragic....

This forum has always been open about how it operates though. They have never lied. Unfortunately, yes, this will always lead to questions. Either way, I sincerely hope that they have reached out to both Dr. Erdogan and Dr. Bhatti about the recent results. Erdogan in particular went from world class results to some absolutely shockers recently. Something has drastically changed in that clinic and I can only assume it relates to his lack of involvement in the procedure. Unfortunately this forum did lead me to believe he was the best in Turkey which was not the case at all.

The techs have huge experience. Turkish clinics normally have 20 year old techs.

That he'll offer to put right by having techs go wild on your head again. Not refund.

He doesn't give refunds as to him this is an admission that other doctors can do a better job. Pretty funny considering he has jack shit to do with the surgery himself.

No, but I will post the results when they happen. I'm 2 months in so far; the horrible stage. The thing for me was how the actual experience of the surgery was SO much better and professional than ASMED. In ASMED, Koray Erdogan is the hair transplant surgeon but the actual surgery is performed by very young technicians, it's a joke. I knew that technicians had a big role but this website (which was the reason I went to ASMED) unfortunately did not prepare me for the fact that he is barely involved. Apparently now it is even worse. How many grafts did you have at ASMED?

Sounds exactly how it should be to me!

I think the rule is now: go to surgeons in Ankara if you want to see the best surgeons in Turkey. Stay clear of Istanbul. I have experienced both. I will admit... I did not like Ankara at all from a tourism standpoint however - Istanbul wins there.

Dr. Keser starting to take over this place and he doesn't even market himself 😆. Great result. No doctor who is not involved in the entire procedure himself should be recommended here (in my opinion).

Say's the guy who makes personal attacks..

Nebulosity, I want you to know that although it is difficult at this time, it is very repairable with a skilled surgeon such as Keser. It will cost you a little more, yes, but I believe you'll be happy with it after that. I really think you should be refunded the cost of this surgery too. I think it will look slightly better in a month or two, but not acceptable by any means. I agree with JayLDD about the gappy placement. I have always questioned this approach. The donor extraction is also completely unacceptable.

I honestly think you should be banned from here, any time someone says something you don't like, you get really aggressive and resort to name calling; I've seen it multiple times with you. I never called you any names.. You talk about intelligence yet attack me multiple times in your reply. I simply told him to give it 6 months and then go from there. Yes, the result is going to be bad, clearly it is. In six months however, I feel he will know what is required in a second surgery. I am quite clearly asking you 'why do you think I would have gone with Dr Keser if I thought his work was at Dr. Bhatti's level?' I mean, I'm reading it again and it's not hard at all to work out.