jonnyalex

I am confused with what you mean about the skin fade haircut? A skin fade is precisely the cut which can't be done because it reveals all the scarring (much more so if you have had a huge amount of grafts taken). I can just about fade to a 1 right now, but it shows a little scarring. I definitely couldn't imagine doing a skin fade though. Also, now, if you shave, you are going to have scarring everywhere. You are fine with that? I am totally with you that the work they have done is just plain bad and unacceptable. I can see it's really bothering you. I am just very fearful for you as you are not blocking the cause of hair loss.

With the greatest of respect... what exactly are you expecting long term? You are definitely going to lose hair around the transplanted hairline, it's just a case of when.. This could possibly explain why your result wasn't good. Did you try topical at least? I have no experience of it but I heard it has less likelihood of sides.

You take a DHT blocker, right?

I have to admit, unless this is just a flattering photo, your donor is insane considering the amount of grafts. Before any surgery, did your donor feel incredibly thick to touch?

Well if you are one of the very lucky few ( I say lucky, yet we are all unlucky to be cursed with MPB I guess :D) to have a godlike donor area, go for it! I will say that Erdogan over estimated my donor capacity according to my previous surgeon.

It's good and professional that he is requesting to see your donor area in person before agreeing to work on you - this brilliant to hear. The likelihood in this scenario is he'll agree to work on you but you should probably forget about 'crazy dense packing'. I think he'll make a bad situation better though. I must admit, I am worried that you are striving for a type of perfection that is simply impossible via HT surgery. How many grafts would you estimate to have left? If you could somehow get a further 3000, you might get close to where you want to be... but you'd have to be blessed with an astronomically dense donor area. As I said previously, you seem like a great guy and I also would not be happy with this result. I am rooting for you and hope some doctor can get you to where you want to be. Also, you mentioned you were looking to have rhinoplasty? I don't think you should do it. You have a masculine nose that suits your face. I don't have time to read through this thread again so can you remind me, are you taking a DHT blocker?

Have you actually had confirmation on this? I have heard he is very selective with whom he operates on. You should also be very careful about judging his work from specially selected videos he uploads with favourable lighting. I remember some years ago viewing a Spanish language HT forum and I discovered that he, just like other surgeons, has some average results, way below what you see in those videos. His clinic have used YouTube to market themselves fantastically well. What you are seeing here is the best of the best in such videos (maybe 1 in 20 results) Also, in reference to the video you posted, Dr. Juan Couto typically works on Spaniards (being as he operates out of Madrid). They tend to have hair characteristics suited for HT's (thick calibre, slight curl etc) You have had a very large amount of grafts transplanted and I would be a little surprised if he took on your case. I can see why you are not satisfied with this result however. I'd consider Dr Lorenzo over Dr. Couto. You may find this interesting: He used to post here. He went for a touch up with ASMED. If you look over his videos, he still has to use hair fibres and doesn't seem overall happy at all.

Absolutely. Dr Keser is getting on a bit and to be hunched over a patient all day takes it toll. He rarely ever seems to have a bad result and I am wondering if the split sessions is the reason.

4.5 month waiting list in my case.

I have noticed that this stigma seems to exist almost solely in the English speaking world. I know that French, German's, Spaniards and Italians etc seem to talk about it with pride (which is how it should be). Here in the UK, god forbid you try to do something to improve your appearances as male, you get slaughtered.

One of the only guys I'd pick over Keser is Konior. You are in for a good result I'm sure.

I had mine in May with Dr. Keser. What about you? Nothing to report so far. I look the same as before surgery. I'm really hoping to see something at 4 months. Did you go with Dr. Keser too? I can only hope to have a hairline like Mr. S!

That hairline is just perfect. Incredible work. I hope mine turns out this good.

Low libido. It is now the opposite in fact.. too high

When I asked Dr. Keser about that, he seemed quite dismissive of this and said he just watched and was not involved at all. He also seemed a bit shocked that Kaan used his name to promote himself on his website. In terms of this result, unfortunately if you don't take any DHT blocker you'll likely either lose all the surrounding native hair or be giving your surgeon the perfect excuse if anything goes wrong. I had sides too. What people don't realise is the sides nearly always go after time. Instead they panic because of all the untrue stories they see online.

With respect, this is a predictable and a very inadequate response to the rightful criticism that has been leveled against him. What about questions such as how many surgeries is he or rather his technicians performing per day? What is his involvement? Was the photo of a monitor looking over nine rooms real? Have they recently hired new technicians meaning it's a lottery in terms of who operates on your head? These are extremely important questions which will undoubtedly impact upon the service they deliver. Everyone knows the high quality work they are capable of, yet members of this website have had their lives damaged by some absolutely atrocious hairline work. While you are totally right that no clinic produces great results one hundred percent of the time, the sudden influx of bad work simply cannot be coincidence. Turkey is lawless in terms of hair transplant surgery and the few laws they do have are completely ignored. This is where I thought this forum has a responsibility. Again, with the greatest of respect to the work the moderators do, it just seems to me that this was an immediate jump to the defense of a clinic who contributes to the upkeep of this forum.

Ah JayLDD, the man who has a reputation for aggressive behaviour on multiple hairloss forums. I bet you couldn't wait to pounce after attacking me on another thread and then realising I was in fact agreeing with you in the first place. You continue these attacks even here but I think we both know who the 'complete idiot' is as you put it. The techs at H&W do have more experience in being technicians in a HT clinic. In fact, I would go as even as far to say that despite having less FUE experience, they probably STILL have more than many of the current ASMED technicians. Please don't tell me what MY experience was. You don't know. If you check my post history, I ALWAYS said everything behind the hairline was fine, the hairline itself was pants, gappy and you could see my whole scalp through it. I also had major regrowth from oral minoxidil and dutasteride, even on areas that the clinic didn't touch. If it wasnt ASMED, where you had your surgery, you'd be criticising the recent results yourself, like you have with multiple clinics, which is fine because it is a discussion forum. Also, when they went to Erdogan to learn FUE techniques, I wonder who taught them? Technicians barely out of their teens? Or Koray Erdogan himself? All that is relevant is their results. I would be stunned to see these kinds of results from H&W, Konior etc.. you simply don't. I would like proof that they don't have more involvement like you say. If you can provide this, I'll rightfully admit that I was wrong on that point. This simply seems impossible when we were shown an image of ASMED with 9(?) operating rooms. Involvement means being at least semi present while the techs work as the lead surgeon. At the end of the day, multiple patients have posted photos of shit hairline work. It is not because of poor growth, it is because of poor work. I know that is pointless to discuss anything with you because all you do is insult people. As I remember, you were warned by a moderator the first time, yet do exactly the same thing again here.

Thing is, if you actually read the things I wrote, you'd see that I never once said the clinic always produces bad results. I even said they do have good results. Don't lie to try and validate your argument. Furthermore, I wish you the greatest success on your HT journey.

Firstly, I am not your mate. Secondly, why do you think I just went to another clinic to fix my hairline? Because it was a great result the first time? Think! Also, this is a forum where people can post their opinions as well as results. If you don't like it, block me so you don't have to see it and stop crying when you see differing opinions.

You only make yourself look stupid when you resort to name calling and personal insults. It just shows you cannot comprehend that others may disagree with your opinion and then you get aggressive. It is impossible to exaggerate photos of messed up hairlines posted by patients. Those photos are literally here on this website.

How many grafts have you used in total? How many are left?

I Interesting.. This will be why I have heard Hattingen described as the H&W of Europe.. I visited a French forum and I was shocked at how good their work is.

I don't give a damn what you agree with or not. Why should I speak up when I see a positive result? It is suppose to be a top clinic, no? Shouldn't positive results be expected? Why should I praise them for doing what they are suppose to do? I speak up when I see people's lives being affected by absolutely shit hairline work to which numerous cases are being posted. That isn't a coincidence. Pretending otherwise? THAT is 'b@llocks'.

Don't agree with what? I see bad results and speak up. You have nothing to agree or disagree with. If you mean that you disagree with my opinion that ASMED is no longer a top HT clinic, that is fine. Until I see consistent world class results posted by patients which I seen years ago, my opinion will not change.

I'm negative because I see negative results and I say what I see. It is simple. This is a toxic industry and defending shoddy work will never improve it. He may have more good than bad results, but I can link to several examples of hairline work which is just terrible. He isn't the worst recommended doctor here by the way. 4600 with ASMED 900 with Keser.