jonnyalex

These do not exist in the UK. OP, it's extremely unlikely you'll be prescribed it by your GP. Websites like Dr. Fox and Oxford Online Pharmacy are our only real options.

I'm inclined to agree. Matt Dominance unfortunately has a frontline of doubles which is extremely obvious. I feel quite bad for him.

For the amount of grafts you've had, your donor area looks absolutely incredible. I don't know it's the quality of the photos but I can't see any sign of surgery. Gasthoerer is indeed correct, if ASMED do one thing right, it's donor extraction and this has always been the case. ps. This is what I was was referring to when I said transplanting into scar tissue is not ideal. Of course Mr knowitall is more knowledgeable than any doctor of course 🙄

Your arrogance is frankly tiring at this point. You say you've looked at ten times the results I have. How do you know this? As far as I am aware, I had my surgery a long time before you. Before that surgery I had been researching for at least 4 years almost daily. I have been continuously looking at results ever since, both here and on the foreign language forums. Making statements like this is simply ridiculous. I'm sorry but you can't use the physiology arguement for ASMEDS shocking drop in quality. You've even previously commented and accepted this decline. As for scar tissue. This is plastic surgery. In ANY form of plastic surgery, be it nose jobs or hair transplantation, scar tissue makes the job substantially more difficult and the percentage chance of a good result declines. I'm tired of the way you come at me like I have some vendetta against the clinic you used, like it somehow affects your result. I wasn't happy with my result or the experience and will not reframe from sharing my feelings, simply because it bothers you. I have never said this clinic was always bad or that all their work is bad. I have simply commented on the terrible hairline work posted on this forum and my own personal result. At the same time, I have, to a lesser extent, commented on the good results (good results should be a given from a world class clinic). In your various responses to me over time, you've called me a moron, suggested I am an idiot, a liar by questioning my integrity and now question my reading ability. You can't seem to debate something without insulting people. Not just me, you've done it with multiple people. What you cannot understand is that as soon as you resort to name calling, you immediately lose any and every arguement you are involved in. My feelings are Koray Erdogan is one of the best surgeons in the world. The ASMED experience is not the Koray Erdogan experience however and his involvement is VERY minor, especially with the huge amount of patients they work on at the same time. The attention to detail has gone and with the new clinic and increased amount of operations performed daily, new technicians must have been hired. This is the only logical explanation for this pretty sudden influx of bad results posted here. It is not just here where his reputation has declined. Search the foreign language forums and you'll see how this is mirrored there. I'm not a yes guy who will simply tell all the guys with fucked up hairlines; 'it's your physiology'. At the end of the day, you had a good result and I had a bad one. We are both allowed to share our thoughts. The only difference is, I do not attack you for praising them. Stop acting like a tough man on the internet by calling people 'little idiot'. I would hazard a guess that you wouldn't dream of saying it in real life to anyone. This is always the case with people who behave this way via keyboard.

Why would scar tissue affect my first surgery? Do you even read what you write Mr 'I consider myself the most level headed member of this forum? (yeah, I did see that post. Guess what? If you have to say that to reassure yourself, you are anything but level headed) I have seen you attack multiple clinics, yet you defend these because you went to them and everything you do is without question, right? You are nothing but a troll and have insulted multiple people on this forum, seemingly allowed to do so without question. You do the same on other forums. The results posted by ASMED patients here recently are exactly the type of work you criticise. You are something else. You also talk like you know absolutely everything about the industry but I am beginning to think you know absolutely sod all. Especially with statements like H&W learnt FUE from ASMED 🤣 I may still have a great result. It has been 5 months. Now go troll somewhere else.

Keser is the most expensive at 3.5 euros per graft

Dr Keser/900 grafts. On one side, I am relatively happy. The other side is struggling. I thought it would struggle as he had to implant less into existing scar tissue where ASMED's work failed to grow. I am keeping my fingers crossed but I'm very nervous. He said I have 1000 grafts left after already having 5500 grafts but I'm really not sure. I don't feel my donor could handle it. I was so naive and stupid thinking 4600 grafts from ASMED initially was a good move. A second surgery in a place where you already had surgery comes with a whole new set of issues unfortunately.

I had 4600 grafts in 2015, I can provide you photos if you wish via PM. Even if I wasn't, I don't see the relevance. This forum was the sole reason I went there, the results being posted at the time were all good. In terms of my result, I was not satisfied with my hairline which shows scarring in the light, of areas which failed to grow (the hairline does not look good). The area behind was ok, but they used a massive amount in the crown which I've since heard was totally unneeded. My theory is they do this knowing some areas wont grow but can take credit for a good result either way (because something is likely to grow with that amount of grafts ). Nearly all top surgeons use about half the grafts for the same, if not much better results. I've since had another transplant in May inwhich the doctor stated how my donor area had been very aggressively harvested, leaving lower quality grafts for him to work with. This will negatively effect my results I'm sure. It is due to my own struggle with this that I feel for the people who went there and got a bad result. There are loads. To deny it is ridiculous at this point. I'm sick of getting attacked for pointing out which is blatantly obvious to see. I respect your work here alot but I believe your conversation with him regarding this was inadequate. He should be fully explaining what's going on here, offering refunds and not trying to sweet talk you with a visit to his clinic. He states he does not give refunds due to this being an admission that another surgeon could do better. This is interesting due to the fact that he is barely involved. The fact is, I believe I could have avoided years of stress and anxiety had I just gone to a top surgeons who was actually properly involved in the procedure. It is therefore that I say he shouldn't be recommended here at all. You say you recommend surgeons not clinics, but this makes zero sense. Koray Erdogan is barely involved in the procedure so you are therefore recommending people go to see a surgeon who is barely there! It is young techs who do nearly everything. They couldn't possibly have much experience due to their age. I was attacked on another thread by a guy who you seemingly allow you call people names. He stated how H&W operate the same way. From what I have read, the techs there, especially the lead techs have huge experience and they are always present, they do not run 9 surgeries a day and the surgeons are often present. The comparison is ludicrous. He doesn't even supervise your surgery at all. Furthermore, they never contacted me even once to see how it was going. Completely uninterested. Of course, this is my opinion and appreciate being able to say it freely, which is how any fair discussion forum should operate. Yes all surgeons have bad results but I'm sorry, not to this extent. What I have learnt is it is extremely important to get it right the first time, which is why I don't think a clinic who are constantly offering free touch ups to fix their disastrous work should be recommended here. Your donor cannot be refunded or replaced. I think its extremely bizarre that people think I'm needlessly slagging off a clinic. The evidence is overwhelming.

I'm sure they intended to make him happy during the first surgery but failed to do so. The truth is, this forum, as well as others, have many patients who have been left feeling precisely the opposite. Just yesterday I seen yet another thread pop up here of a guy with a totally see through hairline. They didn't even offer to fix it and it's worse than this guys! They said they want him to pay for 2500 more!!

Their point about you having thin hair and the lack of a DHT blocker to protect existing hairs is a valid one. This, unfortunately, drastically lowers the chance of a great result. This was a 5000 graft surgery however and the result should be better. You had 2600 grafts in the front alone.. strange though, your hair seems coarse, not thin If you shine an intense light on your recipient area, can you see slight scarring with no hairs ? This is how I clearly see the areas that didn't grow

Keser is well known for dense packing. 3.5 euro per graft. H&W , Lorenzo, Couto, Konior etc. Many competent clinics exist and many of those probably have experience sorting out the messes that ASMED now produce. And yes, you are right, it is frankly criminal that they were asking for more money to fix this. Absolutely disgusting in fact. I honestly don't understand how these can still be recommend here.

This just keeps happening to the point where it's ridiculous now. This clinic's reputation is taking a huge beating and this is also the case in the non-English forums. To answer your question, do NOT return to this clinic. Go to a quality surgeon who is more involved. Also, unfortunately no, I don't think you can leave it that way as it looks unnatural. I'm sorry for the stress this must be causing you. There guys should no longer be recommended anywhere in my opinion. They seem happy to blast through your donor area like no tomorrow with no regard for your wellbeing. On the bright side, this IS fixable.

Not sure why he'd be talking about donor? Tethering wouldn't be an issue in that area as he is only taking hair, not implanting it and hoping it will grow ( unless into previous donor scar ). I only watched it briefly so could be wrong.

Jesus! You guys and your monster donors. I have had 5600 in total and have 1000 left max!

How many grafts have you had in total?

The sides are very real and I'm never going to deny them. I take Dutasturide and actually had many of the side effects. Out of desperation, I persevered and after 6 months, all the sides disappeared. The bizarre thing was, the libido issue reversed. It is now stupidly high and my bloodwork confirmed increased testosterone. The drug literally stopped hair loss for me. I just wish it was safe for everyone because this is a bullshit thing to deal with.

Wow, I just googled him and that is the guy. I had no idea he documented the entire thing. He looks great now. Fortunately he wasn't cursed with severe MPB in the first place however.

This is exactly what I mean, yes. Obviously you'll still have growth. In your case, you have an incredible donor area and I think you should also consider Dr. Hasson. If he thinks he can use more grafts, he will. I have seen a case of him fixing a density lacking hairline from a Turkish clinic which end in a fantastic result. I'm really interested in your case and crossing my fingers for you and anyone in a situation like this. I just wish that there was some kind of DHT blocker you could take. I'm always so perplexed by how you can take a bunch of people and the same drug effects them differently. It's a shame.

Yes, but Joe Tillman was slick bald and began with a botched hair transplant which required multiple repairs. You can only get better from that point no matter what. I did not say you will look worse. I said that they suggest you get it right the first time for the best result. Subsequent work can be done but nothing is as good as doing it right in the first go due to scarring under the skin. Implanting into scar tissue is not the same as untouched skin. Scars can tether (connect) under the skin which can obviously affect the yield. Joe recently had his 10th hair transplant with them. If you watch his video, Dr. Wong mentions at one point that he will do what he can while pointing out that he'll have to see what the existing scar tethering will actually allow.

I'm not so sure it is best to do separate procedures. I thought the same until I watched a H&W video, where it was explained scar tissue and tethering under the skin after a previous surgery will almost certainly ensure the ultimate result is not as good. They suggest you get it right the first time by seeing the right surgeon. This is what ultimately impacts upon the result. Their job is considerably more difficult when they have to work around and even implant IN existing scar tissue. It is perhaps for this reason they are hesitant to transplant the amount of grafts he requested and instead recommend half. He will already have considerable scar tissue and scar tethering.

Their results, at least the ones we see here, are no longer in the stratosphere. They are levels above ASMED.

Is this a serious question ? 😝

This is especially true considering you are not/unfortunately are not able to stop further hair loss progression.

Are you based in Europe of the USA?

That is interesting that the scarring is not visible. You must also be blessed with a perfect skin to hair contrast with that donor area of the gods! Any idea when you'll go to Spain to visit the doctor?