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You can wear hats, you can buzz your head but scars will be visible, there's no procedure that's scarless, but it's not really noticeable, I'm 3 months post op with Dr. Diep pm me I'll share my experience with you.

I agree were all here to helpe eachother out and share our experiences, being vague provides no help at all.

I took a second look at your donor pictures, there is a section that seems to be a bit lighter, could be over harvesting could be shock loss it's too soon to tell, however your scarring doesn't look bad, in most of the photos your hair seems to be at a 1 guard and it's not really noticeable, try adding lipogaine to your routine, it can help with shock loss if it is shock loss. But either way I definitely don't see your donor area being a problem, it doesn't look bad to me, that's not to say your concerns aren't valid, I'm just saying looking at it from the outside your donor doesn't look like its ravaged but if you want get a second opinion from a hair professional through a one on one consultation.

I didn't like that the dr didn't check on me before I left, I believe he was going out of the country but still at least a bye would have sufficed, I also didn't like that I was basically knocked out for most of the procedure, how much he did himself is unknown I know he designed my hairline, how much of the extraction is a mystery can't say it was him or his techs cause I was out. Overall it lacked good bedside manner, don't need to be treated like a baby, but don't like to feel like a number either, but that's not to say the result will be bad, I'm hopeful it's going to be good, he certainly has the portfolio to show he's a very skilled surgeon and one of the best. But I will not be making a thread about everything unless the final result is available, at that point if I'm unhappy no doubt a detailed thread will be made, but if ppl ask about my experience I'm willing to share it.

This thread is very unsettling, I will say this though, I'm in a similar situation myself I had my procedure on July 16th with Dr. Diep, if you do the math it's been 3 months not 4, but neither here nor there, I have some similar complaints, but I'm going to withhold judgment until 12 months, if at that point the result is not satisfactory I'll be for sure making a thread about it, but as for now I think it's a bit unfair to say the doctor wasted grafts unless you have the result to back the claim, I definitely understand where your coming from though, and these complaints even if they have no bearing on the results itself should be addressed. It's not ok to be dropping things cursing, and being unprofessional during a surgical procedure, not sure if Dr. Doganay is aware that happens but he needs to fix it right away that's bad business, it's imperative he hires staff with some sense of professionalism. Op I do feel though that your letting your emotions and doubt poison your mind, try not e negative, even if you had a negative experience your result may be good, also your donor area looks ok, you definitely have enough for another procedure in the future, I recommend getting on lipogaine asap to slow your hairloss, pm me if you need someone to talk to, I know how hard it can be, and trust me I have the same negative thoughts enter my mind as well, it's not good to let those negative thoughts manifest, wait he 12 months at that point if your not happy re-asses and I'm sure you can still get a favorable outcome.

The ugly duckling phase sucks, density looks really good, makes you wish you could just stay like that. Everything's looking good romp

2,000 grafts is a high number but I feel like that number would leave you with a satisfied result, you could get away with 1,200 but the density is not gonna be as good, I don't recommend having a procedure though with out first getting on some sort of medication to slow hair loss, because you have a lot of hair that puts you at a higher risk for shock loss and id hate for you to look worse after the procedure. Minoxidil worked great for me, and I get no side effects other than occasional itchy scalp or greasy hair texture, but thats nothing compared to finasteride side effects. I recommend growing your hair out, I honestly think that with some good styling and the SMP you might not even need an HT yet, some thickening hair product and the SMP might be enough try it out before you really consider going the surgical route, I will say this, once you commit to surgery, you're basically committing yourself to more than one, its just the way it is, you'll always need to get more procedures to make up for continued hair loss, even those on finasteride end up getting more than one procedure, something to consider.

I was in a similar situation, i'm also 30 with comparable hairloss, I don't think its a smart game plan to attempt to fully cover the crown, I think you should have just enough so that the transition from your midscalp to crown is seamless. The good thing is that you have your hairline pretty much intact, I would follow that existing hairline and build up to the midscalp, personally, I chose FUE that was a personal decision based on my hairstyle preference, honestly if you go to a good FUE doctor I feel the yield will be comparable to FUT, but its completely up to you, things to consider is price, obviously FUT is going to be cheaper than FUE in most cases, downtime you will have a significantly longer down time getting FUT, hairstyles, do you ever plan on cutting your hair short on the sides if so I would not choose FUT, doctors to look out for Dr. Bisanga, Dr. Mwamba, Dr. Feriduni, Dr. Villnow, Dr. De Reys some of these physicians perform both procedures.

I'd say 2,000 grafts would make a huge difference on you especially with the smp, are you on any hairloss meds like fin or minoxidil? Also have you ever thought of growing your hair out? I think you'd be surprised if you did, your hair looks pretty good probably even better if you grew it out.

You truly are a sad and pathetic person, I'm on here to give advice and help other balding men like myself which I have, unlike you Mr. Obsessive compulsive with an agenda of vengeance, this will be my last time addressing you, enjoy your second trip to turkey the first place that according to feller ravaged your donor area, I'm sure it'll work out great for you;)

Politics eh, well politicians are fake and phony, the fact that you attacked me for something that you completely misunderstood shows your character (vindictive), I guess I've made it to your little vengeance list along with feller and bloxham. So along with feller and bloxham I guess I should come to expect these little unwarranted attacks from you, but in the future please read the thread, if you're going to be malicious get your facts straight, it makes you look sad and foolish in the end.

Lmao this is brilliant, I'm a house of cards fan too, I can totally picture frank

If you're going to call me out, do me a favor and read the thread, if you were to go to the previous page you'll see where I advised him to get 1,500 grafts, my post was not in reference to him not getting an HT, my post was in reference to him wanting to be conservative when he's nearly 40 with minimal hairloss, the chances of him progressing to Norwood 6 in 10-15 years is highly unlikely if he's been balding for over 20 years at a slow rate. I'm bitter lol that's the pot calling the kettle black, you're the pathetic one bad mouthing Dr. Feller and bloxham in every other post, yet you were quite quiet when they were gonna give you a procedure free that's pathetic.

Hairline is looking really good, what's the donor look like?

Minoxidil does not inhibit hormone production, it does not remove DHT from the body, if you're taking minoxidil and having ED it's more than likely either mental or some other hormonal issue perhaps caused by deficincies like vitamin D. Correlation does not imply causation sexual dysfunction is a common problem amongst men of all ages ranging from actual organic physical problems to hormonal problems to mental problems. You can not say I take minoxidil and have ED therefore minoxidil causes ED, the makers of minoxidil are required to list the side effects from common to uncommon ED is not a listed side effect. You can google literally anything on the Internet and someone will be claiming it gave them ED. Google aspirin ED, Google Tylenol ED, hell Google Vicks ED I'm sure you'll find someone claiming it caused them ED.

Hey ramboshair, I saw your photos, it's hard to say where you will end up, personally I don't think Norwood 7, Dr. Rassman, states that the majority of Norwood 7 have the clear pattern by age 26, you're 28, and still have a fairly good amount of hair, but I definitely think Norwood 6 in the future, the single most important thing in your case is to stabilize your hairloss, I use lipogaine a form of minoxidil I also use nizoral, I can't tolerate finasteride, but you can give it a shot if you're willing to risk it with the sides. Now PLANNING is key with your case, you need to have your surgery as if you were full blown Norwood 6 that's how you need to approach it, conservative right now, in these cases I think less is more, for example, getting 3,000 grafts to your hairline would be disastrous. You're going to have to sacrifice either density or coverage, in your case unfortunately that's the reality. Also, try not think of what looks good now at 28 but what will look good at 38,48,58. A bald crown may look bad now, but when you're older it won't look bad and social stigma won't be bad either. My personal approach is to frame the face with a conservative hairline but not in the middle of your head so you have an 8 head not a forehead, make sure you reinforce the lateral humps this is ABSOLUTELY key in having a natural result, you probably won't have enough grafts to do the crown but that's to be expected. Dr. Diep has a lot of high Norwood patients, but they've been FUT not FUE, Dr. Umar has a lot of high Norwood patients, he utilizes FUE+BHT with success, he's probably my next surgeon. I suggest consulting with as many surgeons as possible in person. This will give you a good idea of how many grafts you have and they'll be able to more accurately guess where you'll end up.

The level of baldness you posses at 23 does mean there is a very high possibility you'll be Norwood 7, at this point I'd hold off on surgery, I'd try and stabilize the hairloss by minoxidil, once you're in your late 20's if your destined for Norwood 7 you'll more than likely be at that stage by then. However, all is not lost, you can still get surgery, to frame a hairline and connect the lateral humps, the crown will have to stay bald, but check out Dr. Umar, he's literally the only physician I've seen operate on Norwood 7's with success through a combo of FUE+BHT and you can even add smp if you wish to wear your hair short, I never believe that you have to just live with it, that's heart breaking to hear and frankly it's not true, you may never have a full head of hair, but you can most certainly improve your situation;) Check this thread out http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/159098-dr-umar-7500-grafts-fue-norwood-7-a.html

Just picturing that made me lol in real life.

This thread smells like 3 day old fish that was left in the sun.

I wonder what would happen if this guy actually had bad hairloss, he's got a natural part in his hair which he says is a definite thinning, he's been losing his hair since he was 16 but thinks he'll go full blown Norwood 6 in 10 years, even though his hairloss has been slow for over 20 years.

Shedding is a good sign, the miniaturized hairs are shed and they grow back healthier and thicker, when I was 22 got on minoxidil I noticed shedding like crazy, I stopped it, then when I was 26 I got back on but this time I didn't notice shedding, I think the miniaturization process was too advanced and could not be reversed. So in summation, if you notice a lot of shedding stick with it, that's a good sign it's working.

Well for one I wouldn't say you don't pull the look off, but in my opinion that look is very plain and boring even on Theo Walcott, I don't think anyone ever looks at Theo and says great hairstyle, if I had a lot of hair I would be rocking something like this Notice it's just a regular guy hairlines like yours he's not a model but the hairstyle makes a big difference, he'd probably look less attractive with a plain short haircut.

Currently you don't need 4,000 grafts, getting that many grafts at this point will only accelerate the chance of shock loss, I know you may be eager to get it all over with at once. Unfortunately, that's not the case in most situations, I think the best plan for you would be 2,000-2,500 grafts. In the future if your hairloss progresses you'll have grafts in the bank to address future hair loss. Your hair looks pretty thick, aside from the receded temples, you have what appears to be a relatively strong frontal forelock, I think reinforcing the forelock slightly and conservatively bringing the temples down would do wonders for your overall appearence. Me personally, I wouldn't go FUT for the amount of grafts you need, you can still get a good result with FUE, and if you check out romperstompers recent thread, you can even leave a strip of untouched hair should you wish to go FUT in the future.

That's true the hair you transplant should never fall out, however the non-transplanted hair you have on your head will eventually fall out, this will make the hair that was transplanted look thin on its own. Therefore, in order to maintain your results you'll have to get subsequent transplants, rarely does one get a full restoration with one procedure, almost every one including guys on finasteride end up getting several procedures, whether it's to maintain their hair or just out of pure hair greed. It's important you realize this prior to submitting yourself to surgery.

Congrats romper, I've never seen the extraction pattern like that in FUE before it's fascinating , it actually makes a lot of sense it follows the same pattern as a strip, which would ensure the grafts are taken from the permanent zone, also the strip he left was that on purpose? Just in case you wanna go FUT in the future. Physicians on here have stated its always best to strip first then FUE, however, I think with the extraction pattern he followed leaving that strip essentially virgin would be perfect to then go FUT. Very interesting to say the least, I'm sure your results are going to be great. Make sure you keep us posted on your monthly progress.