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  1. Hello all, I feel like I've learned a lot by pouring over the info on this blog and researching surgeons and wanted to pick the brains of those who've debated FUT vs FUE as a second surgery option. I had my first surgery in 2009, a FUT strip procedure done by Paul Shapiro in Minneapolis (roughly 2,000 grafts). It turned out decently but I hated the recovery time for the strip, the tightness, the scarring, and the fact that I can't cut my hair down to a much shorter degree than I could before the surgery. With that said, my temples were barely touched and have receded considerably since the first surgery (which was the main reason I elected for a HT in the first place). I am ready to opt into my second procedure but would much rather go with FUE. I was booked to do so with Erdogan in Istanbul this month but didn't have the cash funds in hand to make it happen. While I'm waiting to save up... Is it a poor choice to move from a strip surgery to FUE since I already have the damage done from the first surgery? I would also be adding some hairs into the original donor scar from the first surgery so I can cut my hair a bit shorter - I realize that FUE produces scarring too, but not in a large line. Figure about 2,200 grafts maximum for this surgery. Will FUE take away from the hair count of my future donor hair pool? How much less of a yield can one expect with FUE? I will likely need another procedure years down the line as the hair on top starts to thin out more, so overall donor hair is a consideration Is there anything else I need to consider? If FUT is really my best option for a second surgery, do they use the same scarline for surgery 2? Can the overall scar be reduced? Thank you for any input you can offer. I am looking forward to making a decision and enjoying a nice hairline once again!
  2. Hi community members, I'm considering a FUE transplant but recently had an achillies repair (Jan 2013) on my achillies tendon and ended up scarring badly in the tendon and the incision. The surgeon told me I'm just one of those people that keloids and there's nothing I can do about it. Even though FUE is less invasive the idea of scarring of the follicular graft concerns me. Scarring would not only destroy the graft but also form visual scarring on the recipient sites. I have a history of 3 keloids on my body, all of which occurred after traumatic injuries, 1) infected knee scrape which never got any medial treatment, 2) repaired achillies tendon, 3) a scab that kept accidentally scraping off and finally scarred. And there have been numerous (>25) deep cuts and scrapes that never scarred. I consulted Dr. Bhatti in India via email and his opinion was that I should not experience any scarring from FUE and he has never had any FUE patients that scarred following transplants. He suggests keloid and hypertropic scars only occur over bony sites such as the sternum and shoulders. I'm seeking council from any FUE surgeons, patients or experts that would have any knowledge to pass on to me regarding scarring following hair transplants. I have attached a few pics of the keloids on my body. - Prime
  3. !!! If you are considering Dr. Hakan Doganay and AHD Clinic in Antalya please read this first!!! I am a former patient of aforementioned doctor. First, I will sum up my personal opinion of the clinic and the situation they have put me into, then in a later post I will try my best to share my story as detailed as possible. In my opinion choosing him was the worst decision of my life. Though I am greatly influenced emotionally, I will try to be as objective as possible, and let the reader decide whether I am right or wrong. I have created a picasa album where I am documenting everything in detail. (find links below) A few words about me: I am 26 years old, been dealing with hair loss since I was 18. Hair loss runs in my family, both my brother and my father is Norwood 5-6. I always kept my hair medium-long so I thought I only had a receding hairline. The last few years I was in depression because of my hair loss and thought only getting my hair back could make me happy again. I trusted Dr. Hakan Doganay and AHD Clinic and now I am in worse shape than before, I can back up anything I am stating below: - I arrived to Dr Hakan Doganay with a receding hairline and he merely looked at my head and did not evaluate my hair loss and miniaturization at all. If he did, it would had become clear that I not only have a receding hairline but a full, advanced norwood 5A-6 balding pattern. If I was told that, I would never had went through with the procedure. I clearly articulated before the procedure that I do not want to take propecia due to sides. We talked about potential future hair loss given my family history, but I was not informed that I am already way down the road. ( I became aware of my hairloss situation when my hair started to grow back postop) - Dr. Hakan Doganay did not evaluate my donor capacity either. He carelessly drew a new (somewhat low) hairline on my head using up 2500 grafts (for which I already paid for in advance). He did not warn me about my ongoing hair loss, or come up with a conservative game plan for the long term. - In the IAHRS website it was written that Dr. Hakan Doganay extracts and implants the grafts himself, I only found out later that he uses techs with very little experience do all the extraction and a part of the implantation as well. [Link removed by moderator - see Terms of Service) ]Dr. Hakan Doganay – Turkey Hair Transplant MD | IAHRS Member[/url] As people pointed it out, this website is not affiliated with this forum hence I can not make references to it, I did get a link to the clinic's website before the procedure which stated the head technician extracts the grafts and Dr Hakan Doganay implants the hairline. In my case it was not the head technician who extracted the grafts but an ordinary technician and not only Dr Hakan Doganay implanted the hairline but the head technician as well. It was also told me by the clinic retrospectively that the technicians have minimum 4 years experience. - edited 27/10/15 - They may have wasted a number of my grafts and to compensate either harvested more and/or implanted less grafts. I admit, this one claim I cannot prove. However the techs were dropping equipment and cursing during the operation and I have a picture with discarded grafts laying on top of my head. I have uploaded my post-op donor picture and a bunch of post op donor pictures from other clinics’ 2500 graft procedures and compared to them my donor area looks overharvested and thinned out in certain points. In my opinion they either transected a lot of grafts, harvested more or didn’t care about the pattern at all. When I mentioned the donor scarring they told me that after a FUE procedure one should wear its hair at least 1-1,5 cm long to cover it!! To my understanding the very reason of a FUE procedure is to be able to wear my hair 4-5mm long. Anyway, my hair is longer than 1,5 cm and the signs of the scarring is still visible. Anyone can check it and decide. As people pointed it out I can not substantiate the claim of wasting more than those two grafts that are laying on top of my head-edited 27/10/15 - Upon questioning they told me that they implanted 50 grafts/cm2 (check the pictures to see if that is true) and that they have harvested 2500 grafts (check the pictures if that is true) Upon questioning they told me I have an average donor with 45-50 grafts/cm2, which is a guess at best as they never measured it, and it is way out of the literature which states an average donor is between 65-85 grafts/cm2. If my donor density was in fact 50 grafts/cm2 that would had meant that it was low and I was not suitable for a FUE hair transplant. Distribution of Human Hair in Follicular Units - ResearchGate - It has been 4 month since the operation and my recipient area never looked good for one minute since. It is red, bumpy with red spots and minimal growth. Moreover, a number of the grafts that were implanted by the tech are misaligned. I have been in contact with the clinic since and all they had to tell me was everything looks fine. To be factual at one point around month 2 after repeatedly asking about folliculitis they recommended me to take antibiotics for 5 days, and when 3 month post-op I was still in bad shape and I told them I am even willing to fly back to Antalya they offered me a prp treatment, an ozone treatment, and some cream and a shampoo for free but it did not improve my situation. 2 weeks ago I got so fed up, I have contacted a trusted hair restoration surgeon and a dermatologist. A bacterial culture was taken from my head which came back positive. I have been prescribed antibiotics and anti-inflammatory cream and for the first time in 4 months I am seeing improvements. My only wish now is to shave my head but I am left with a low, uneven hairline with thinning all over behind it and a badly scarred / overharvested donor. Preop postop + photos of 2500 graft FUE extraction to compare Recipient Donor Future balding pattern I am aware that the full result of a hair transplant can only be seen after 12 months so my situation might improve, however even if I’ll have good growth (which I doubt) I will lose my hair in a norwood 5A-6 pattern very soon and I do not have nearly enough donor to compensate for it. A number of people will say that 4 months is too early to evaluate a result and I might have shock loss in the donor area, and I just might be a late grower so, to be fair I have created a picasa album where I will document my case from pre-op through the 12 months so anyone can evaluate them himself independently. After 12 month I will shave my head so the donor scarring could be evaluated as well. However I have reason to believe that the problems I described will remain, as after digging rigorously (which I should have done before) I have found numerous other ex-patents with similar problems and recurring themes, namely: - poor growth - bad donor scarring - misaligned grafts and poor growth on the side where the tech implanted the grafts. Xkos48: poor growth from procedure http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/172307-3916-grafts-hakan-doganay-antalya.html BFA316 : poor growth from procedure http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/173749-4-500-fue-dr-hakan-doganay-07th-march-2014-a.html Mickeydw: badly looking right side (implanted by tech), transplanted hair fell out later http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174564-4065-grafts-dr-hakan-doganay-australia-turkey.html Jugendlich: poor growth, badly looking right side (implanted by tech) http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174373-fue-1500-grafts-04-aug-2014-dr-hakan-doganay.html BluEMoOn: poor growth, patent later disappeared http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/180476-look-worse-6-months-post-op-then-pre-op.html TOharbourfront: poor growth on left side (implanted by tech) http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/180710-dr-doganay-not-responding.html johnny2000: poor growth, bad donor scarring, misaligned grafts implanted by the tech http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/178922-fue-scar-12-month-post-op-pictures.html http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174976-1308-grafts-dr-hakan-doganay.html gimmefiction: satisfied overall, but the left side looks weaker (implanted by tech) http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/179332-dr-hakan-doganay-2800-fue-26-y-o-november-2013-a.html srdonjuan : weak growth, weak right side (implanted by tech) http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/171811-dr-hakan-doganay-3600-graphs-fue.html William1: poor growths, grafts possibly wasted? http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/177789-dr-doganay-2050-grafts-3500-strands-hair.html levi12: poor growth http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174171-4025-grafts-fue-dr-hakan-doganay-july-2013-a.html Buzz2: poor growth, very bad donor scarring http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174668-what-point-do-you-call-failure.html boricotico: bad donor scar (Link removed by moderator - See Terms of Service) tonious: very bad looking result Hair Restoration Websites A number of people will say that I should have been aware of my own hair loss and I should have researched more thoroughly before I jumped into a hair transplant, and those people are right. However, I was in denial and depression due to my hair loss and my judgement was impaired by my emotional state. Seeing the good results posted by the clinic, the IAHRS membership and the recommendation given by this site was enough for me to trust Dr. Hakan Doganay and AHD Clinic blindly. I think they have violated the ethical guidelines of the IAHRS at least in 3 points: IV. The select member will not provide treatments that are deemed pointless or harmful by the IAHRS, or ones that an informed and competent patient refuses. V. The select member will ensure patients receive the information and support they need to make important decisions about hair loss prevention and improvement of their existing condition. Members will answer questions as truthfully as they can and respect patients’ decisions, unless these decisions put the patient or others at risk of harm. If members cannot agree with their requests, they are required to explain why. IX. The select member acknowledges that he/she is in a position to affect each patient’s appearance, self-confidence, and possibly the emotional, social, and professional success of the patient for his/her entire life. With every treatment, the emotional well-being of the patient will be considered as important as the outcome of the actual treatment itself. The lifelong effect of each treatment will be considered in light of potential continuing hair loss. I cannot understand how Dr. Hakan Doganay can still be recommended by this site. Sites like this carry a huge responsibility because uneducated patents like me (and others) are misled and falsely assured by the recommendation. If he was not, I (and many others) probably would had never chosen him. In my experience they are more like a hair transplant mill than a quality clinic. I was rushed through the whole procedure starting from the inadequate evaluation through the operation itself which (for the most part) was carried out by techs with minimal experience. I have reason to believe they are having 2-4 procedures a day seven days a week in two locations. As people pointed it out, I can not substantiate the claim that they are doing more than 2 procedures a day and I was told by the clinic that the techs have minimum 4 years experience -edited 27/10/15 They sold me their clinic and their procedure as top-notch and less invasive, I only found out now that using micromotor for extraction and Choi implanter for implantation is much more invasive than the techniques used by leading clinics (manual punch, custom made blades, lateral slits. This might be evident for the seniors but it is not for the newbies. Yes, I was uneducated). Upon rigorous research it also became evident that there are good results only posted by the clinic itself. I have also learned never to go to a clinic which generates its revenue purely based on the number of grafts they transplant (like them) and don’t charge a fix price. This revenue model will only motivate them to scale up their operation and transplant as many grafts in as little time as possible. I am aware of the gravity of my allegations, and I stand behind them. I am a real patient of Dr. Hakan Doganay which I can prove, I am open to any question by anyone. I have created this thread to share my story and get the independent opinion of a third party. I am also inviting all the linked patents, other doctors to this thread as well as the representatives of Dr. Hakan Doganay. I am open to a debate. I will apologize for and withdraw any statement that anyone can disprove. I have nothing to gain out of this, but I felt a moral obligation to share my story.
  4. Hi, I had a horrible hair transplant experience 3 month ago with a recommended doctor which I will share in detail later. Now my only goal is to heal the best possible way so down the road I will be able to shave my head after some repair. My main concern currently is my red and bumpy sometimes itchy recipient area. My recipient never looked good since the operation but I was always told by the clinic that it is normal, I just heal slowly. I never had trouble with healing before. I can't trust my clinic anymore. (among other reasons, they talked me into a 2500 graft fue to the front, not warning me about my ongoing thinning in a norwood 5 area) I have been hiding from the world for 3 months now, and became depressed. I have just read Dr. William Lindsey's post about itchiness and hypertrophic scarring ( Itchy Scalp Post Hair Transplant: Should I Be Concerned? | Hair Loss Q & A ) and became very concerned. My donor also look like crap. I would like to reach out to the experienced forum members and doctors to get an honest opinion of an outsider. Since I could not upload the high-res pictures, I added a link to my picasa album, please check it. https://picasaweb.google.com/112640619773477959199/2015Szeptember22?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNjG7MqfovyIxAE&feat=directlink I also need advice who to turn to for a possible personal consultation in Europe who I can trust and who can evaluate my case and help me heal the best possible way, so I can achieve my goal and put this horrible mistake behind me. Thank you
  5. Hi guys, I've had two FUT hair transplants, the first in June 2014 and another one in July 2015. Although I went to a highly reputed coalition doctor, who is also recommended on this site, my first hair transplant didn't work. Only about 20% or so of the grafts actually grew. And I was left with a lot of scarring on the recipient area and experienced lingering redness, which lasted for around 8-9 months. Now I am 3 weeks post op from my second surgery, and want to make sure everything looks good as I wouldn't be able to cope with the expense, time and emotional impact of another failed hair transplant. My scalp is still red, and I am concerned I might be developing any or a combination of the following: cobblestoning, ridging and folliculitis? Can anyone help? I really want it to work this time. Thanks a lot for your help! J.
  6. I am 4 months post-op eyebrow transplant by one of the top surgeons in Canada who is also a coalition member and recommended by this site. There were two different technicians who placed the grafts - one on each eyebrow. My left eyebrows is fine, but my right eyebrow has visible scarring. There are holes in my skin that are much bigger than the size of the needle that was used. They look like the type of scars you get from acne. I contacted the doctor about my concerns and his response was "There is always a minute level of scarring anytime you make an incision in the skin.Typically the scarring is invisible to the naked eye but it does exist; this is how the skin heals." This is contrary to what I was told prior to the procedure as I was told that this procedure would leave no marks on the skin. I went to see a local surgeon who told me that the holes I have is called "pitting". He told me that this is not caused by the incisions but by the placement of the grafts. He told me this happens when the grafts are placed too deeply. This makes sense since there were two technicians who placed the grafts and I only have these holes on one side. I am getting conflicting information and I would really appreciate other opinions as to what would cause this scarring. Could it be due to inexperienced technicians? I asked the surgeon how much experience the technicians have who placed my grafts and he did not respond to the question. It is hard to get a close up picture of the scarring, but I have attached a picture. You can see the holed above and below my eyebrow where it is not camoflauged by hair.
  7. im going in for an fut procedure in a few months and I was wondering if there can be anything that would give me an ideas of how the scar might heal..for instance As a kid I got stitches in my head about 5 times all of Wich healed nicely now I know this is very different but it was something that came to mind and I don't recall hearing or reading anything about it (possibly cause it's irrelevant) but hopefully it counts for something lol..sorry if this is in the wrong place the higher ups can move it to wherever it belong thanks!
  8. been suffering with losing my hair for so long. such a simple thing, so hard to get over right? anyways… these days, i'm shaving my head down to a zero every few days… i use a bit of caboki in the small bald patch i have in the front in back and i'm feeling a little better overall. the minoxidil i'd been using for a decade finally started to stop working. i don't want to get a hair transplant. it seems like it is a bit of a never ending road… needing new procedures as you lose more hair over the years. but… i realized that i would consider having the patches in my beard filled in and then would just keep shaving my head and have a decent beard and be done with it and get old. i'm 39 now. my conundrum started when i realized that i could likely have some white dot scarring in the donor areas from a FUE beard transplant. i spoke to one surgeon in nyc and he recommended 600-900 grafts to fill in the patches in my beard. it's not much. i'm wondering what some of you might consider the best approach to doing this. i don't have chest hair, so a BHT is out, unless i do pubic hair, but i haven't found anyone who does or recommends this. i spoke yesterday to the guy who does Dr. jeff shapiro's consultations and he told me that 9/10 of dr. shapiro's patients don't have any noticeable scarring from the specific type of FUE that he does. great news, but is it true? anyway, he is in florida or booked for ages in NYC. i'm looking for a surgeon in NYC or southern california if possible. thanks for all of your input in advance, i appreciate it. seems like this could be solved. so, to sum up, i'm looking for a recommendation for a beard transplant in NYC or SOCAL and i'm wondering your thoughts on donor area scarring. i'm finally coming to terms with being bald. i don't want to fuck up my head anymore now that i'm looking to get my beard filled in. can BHT be done to a beard with pubic hair? i have plenty and it's thick. i have leg hair too but it doesn't seem as thick. anyways… have a great day people and i thank you again. peace.
  9. First of all, i regret getting FUT. The main reason why i got FUT was because i didn't have enough money and i do not want to finance. Now that i think about it, i wish i had waited few months to save up for FUE. Anyways, i got my procedure done about two and half months ago and i am really stressing about the outcome of the scar more than the result of my hairline which was the primary reason of going into surgery. I will attach some pictures to this post so you guys can let me know if my scar is healing right and if it is stretching or not. Does anyone know what i need to avoid so it doesn't stretch and what i need to do to make it better? Any input will be very appreciated.
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