Need help with Hair Transplant Clinic

[gottobestrong]

15 minutes ago, harefolliculez said:

@digi23@gottobestrongo

Contacted Mr. Fikret yesterday and just received an answer both regarding how Dr. Yaman is involved and how many patients he does per day. I'll post it below 

Hello sir

There are 3 major steps of the surgery which are incisions (channels)step, extraction step and implantation step. Incision step is the first step of the operation and it's performed by Dr.Resul Yaman. Extraction is performed by our extraction experts Ali Yaman or Ufuk Yaman(one of his brothers, have 6 years experience  and trained by Dr.Yaman personally) then implantation is performed by our team supervised by Dr.Resul Yaman. Everyone is specialised with one step of operation.

Dr.Yaman operates max 2-3 patients per day.  

Honestly still leaning towards Dr. Yaman but just contacted HDzc just in case and they're currently evaluation my case. Waiting for an answer.

 

I'll try to contact a couple of other clinics and see what they tell me. I'll definitely share my experience, may help you a little bit in making up your mind.

Edited November 2, 2021 by gottobestrong

[harefolliculez]

6 minutes ago, digi23 said:

I am not saying you need to go Bisanga or Mwamba in Belgium. I would say Dr Gur & Turan from FueCapilar for 1 euro per graft, Dr Demirsoy for 1,25 euro per graft is a much better choice than Dr Yaman in my opinion.

Why I think so and why did I not choose them? Because of too little research and just going into surgery not having any patience. What I like with these is that they only do 1 patient a day and all of them do both incisions + extractions and have been also in my opinion way more consistent if you look at reviews from different forums, not just this.

Also a thing that is worrying is that before Dr Yaman did 4000 grafts for 4000 euros(1 euro per graft), now he decided to go another route, that tells me something must have changed, he is not just starting with this from out of the blue. I guess it will take some time before we know why, because it is not easy to investigate.

Yeah I agree. I'm also very interested in FueCapilar but one thing that made me kinda cynical was that they asked for a 500€ deposit to book the transplant for May 2022. Sure, it has to be that way to be able to book it but I've had bad experiences in the past with paying beforehand and went through a lot of trouble to get it back.

In this case it's a clinic in a different country. Who guarantees that I'll get the money back if they refuse it or go thr hairmill way?

Again, I fully understand why it's necessary and I would do the same, but trust works both ways in a way.

[harefolliculez]

6 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

I'm therefore very pleased that you're still here and come to aid! I guess that if it weren't for you guys, I'd go to one of these hair mills without paying too much attention to the details that the most crucial to the entire procedure.

Yes 100% this.

I'm very glad you guys and this forum exist. In the beginning of my search I saw hairmills that were focused on advertising price instead of results, results which were extremely bad.

Glad I took time to search. But it's still not over yet in a way ahaha

[harefolliculez]

7 minutes ago, digi23 said:

Yes this is what I was told aswell. I am not sure the amount of patients a day he does, to me he said he does only do 2 a day now during the pandemic. 

I am not trying to say do not go to Dr Yaman, I am just informing you guys that somethings changing at the moment with him. In my opinion also he does only have decent results, no one is like WOW, I am perfectly fine with that myself so thats why I decided on him aswell.

Yeah Im thankful for your input man.

I decided to contact HDC to see what they say to see if they have the same answer as Dr. Bicer's assistant regarding my donor area.

Will post the response as soon as I get it.

[harefolliculez]

4 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

I'll try to contact a couple of other clinics and see what they tell me. I'll definitely share my experience, may help you a little bit to in making up your mind.

Thank you for that. I contacted HDC and will post their answer as soon as I get it.

[digi23]

Another option is that they are really low on bookings because of alot of competition from other clinics(mainly hairmills) who are keeping the prices low(probably even lower than before because of the pandemic) so they need to do something now because alot of people do not want to travel so they have this special price right now to attract customers, then in that case it should be good bang for the buck if Dr Yaman is as involved as before.

Also there has been alot of questions about Dr Yaman if they use loops during extraction, I got this photo the other day, they seem to be using it. Another photo is of Dr Yaman using some weird tool I have not really seen before, looking like he does incisions with a scissor lol.

Edited November 2, 2021 by digi23

[harefolliculez]

3 hours ago, digi23 said:

Another option is that they are really low on bookings because of alot of competition from other clinics(mainly hairmills) who are keeping the prices low(probably even lower than before because of the pandemic) so they need to do something now because alot of people do not want to travel so they have this special price right now to attract customers, then in that case it should be good bang for the buck if Dr Yaman is as involved as before.

Also there has been alot of questions about Dr Yaman if they use loops during extraction, I got this photo the other day, they seem to be using it. Another photo is of Dr Yaman using some weird tool I have not really seen before, looking like he does incisions with a scissor lol.

Thanks for the info Digi.

Yeah it seems like if that is the case, it really is a really good deal. I'm thinking about asking me. Fikret about why the price has decreased so much.

At the same time, after the info going around that he didn't use loops, he seems to be using them which is good news. The scissors on the other hand are new to me. No idea why he's using them. Maybe it had to do with something that could only be done with them, I honestly have no idea.

Hopefully someone in the forum will know.

[digi23]

@gottobestrong

@harefolliculez

@Leo14

Do you have print screen of the price on WhatsApp? What did they say about pricing?

[Britanium]

@harefolliculezPlease do provide some more info and feedback you got from speaking to firket. This would indicate a change in the business model. But need to know for sure if and why this would be. It was already one of the lower cost options without dipping in to the hair mills. I don’t want to jump the gun on assuming anything, I’m just interested in any changes that are being made. 

Edited November 3, 2021 by JC71

[Melvin- Admin]

On 10/30/2021 at 1:34 PM, digi23 said:

You should check up on this Melvin. Potentially we have a change coming for the recommended clinic, if you believe what these people say.

@Melvin- Moderator

Can you please give me a run down, what are the issues and concerns?

[digi23]

46 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Can you please give me a run down, what are the issues and concerns?

Three different people did a online consultation with Dr Yaman. 

First person, 4000 grafts, 2350 euros or 3250 euros with DHI.

Second person, 4500 grafts, 2350 euros or 3250 euros with DHI.

Third person, 3800 grafts, 2350 euros or 3250 euros with DHI.

I did 2500 grafts in September, it was 2350 euros or 3250 with DHI.

I guess its abit difficult to investigate this aswell but just letting you know that they have apparently started doing "unlimited grafts" for a fixed price. 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by digi23

[Melvin- Admin]

1 hour ago, digi23 said:

Three different people did a online consultation with Dr Yaman. 

First person, 4000 grafts, 2350 euros or 3250 euros with DHI.

Second person, 4500 grafts, 2350 euros or 3250 euros with DHI.

Third person, 3800 grafts, 2350 euros or 3250 euros with DHI.

I did 2500 grafts in September, it was 2350 euros or 3250 with DHI.

I guess its abit difficult to investigate this aswell but just letting you know that they have apparently started doing "unlimited grafts" for a fixed price. 

 

Is Dr. Yaman doing the procedure? I know Dr. Turan is doing maximum 3,500 grafts for 3,500 dollars, but he’s doing 1-2 patients per day and doing the work himself. 

[gottobestrong]

37 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Is Dr. Yaman doing the procedure? I know Dr. Turan is doing maximum 3,500 grafts for 3,500 dollars, but he’s doing 1-2 patients per day and doing the work himself. 

Given this...

...doesn't seem so.

Edited November 3, 2021 by gottobestrong

[gottobestrong]

2 hours ago, digi23 said:

@gottobestrong

@harefolliculez

@Leo14

Do you have print screen of the price on WhatsApp? What did they say about pricing?

Unfortunately I don't use WhatsApp, but what you wrote is in line with what I got to hear from the consultant at Dr Yaman's clinic.

[Britanium]

Just now, gottobestrong said:

Unfortunately I don't use WhatsApp, but what you wrote is in line with what I got to hear from the consultant at Dr Yaman's clinic.

This isn’t good news. Pricing per ht rather than per graft .. Nope 👎 

[Melvin- Admin]

16 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

Given this...

...doesn't seem so.

What do you mean this was a direct quote:

“Dr involvement for me was pretty good, Dr Yaman was after he did the incisions, he was there basically once every hour or so and he was very professional and I felt safe the whole procedure with him coming in once in a while as always he was very respectful saying the right things. The only thing I think he left earlier before my operation was finished because he was in for a last time to examine when about 90% was done, then when we were done maybe 1 hour after the last check and went out he was not there and he did not come in in the end to examine. ”

Seems like he was there supervising the entire procedure. That said, I think he dropped the ball not doing a final check up. But my last surgery was the same way. How many patients per day is Yaman doing? A hair mill doesn’t have a surgeon present every hour. 

[digi23]

2 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

What do you mean this was a direct quote:

“

Dr involvement for me was pretty good, Dr Yaman was after he did the incisions, he was there basically once every hour or so and he was very professional and I felt safe the whole procedure with him coming in once in a while as always he was very respectful saying the right things. The only thing I think he left earlier before my operation was finished because he was in for a last time to examine when about 90% was done, then when we were done maybe 1 hour after the last check and went out he was not there and he did not come in in the end to examine. ”

Seems like he was there supervising the entire procedure. That said, I think he dropped the ball not doing a final check up. But my last surgery was the same way. How many patients per day is Yaman doing? A hair mill doesn’t have a surgeon present every hour. 

From my knowledge Dr Yaman is not a hair mill, it has been a lower cost clinic, pretty similiar to Dr Demirsoy, charging 1 euro a graft with Dr Yaman himself creating incisions and "supervising" the rest.

Also he is forum recommended, thats why I thought it would be in your interest to know that they changed from 1 euro per graft to fixed price for unlimited grafts, if this affects the Dr involvement and patients a day I cannot say.

Edited November 3, 2021 by digi23

[Melvin- Admin]

11 minutes ago, JC71 said:

This isn’t good news. Pricing per ht rather than per graft .. Nope 👎 

Dr. Turan from FUEcapilar has this pricing structure. I would prefer charging per graft, but as long as the doctor isn’t trying to get a huge number of grafts. I don’t see a problem with it. With Dr. Turan, he does a maximum of 3,500 grafts. As long as the doctor is involved and supervising the procedure.

[Melvin- Admin]

Just now, digi23 said:

From my knowledge Dr Yaman is not a hair mill, it has been a lower cost clinic, pretty similiar to Dr Demirsoy, charging 1 euro a graft with Dr Yaman himself creating incisions and "supervising" the rest.

Thank you, if he’s not a hair mill I don’t see an issue. Would I prefer a per graft price structure? Yes, but if he’s doing the work, supervising the surgery and isn’t a hair mill, it’s actually a good value for the patient.

[gottobestrong]

2 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

What do you mean this was a direct quote:

“

Dr involvement for me was pretty good, Dr Yaman was after he did the incisions, he was there basically once every hour or so and he was very professional and I felt safe the whole procedure with him coming in once in a while as always he was very respectful saying the right things. The only thing I think he left earlier before my operation was finished because he was in for a last time to examine when about 90% was done, then when we were done maybe 1 hour after the last check and went out he was not there and he did not come in in the end to examine. ”

Seems like he was there supervising the entire procedure. That said, I think he dropped the ball not doing a final check up. But my last surgery was the same way. How many patients per day is Yaman doing? A hair mill doesn’t have a surgeon present every hour. 

I thought that the doctor's involvement is when he is, well, by your side throughout the entire procedure and performs the most important (if not all) steps. However, if what you're saying already qualifies as the involvement, I apologise for causing confusion.

[Melvin- Admin]

3 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

I thought that the doctor's involvement is when he is, well, by your side throughout the entire procedure and performs the most important (if not all) steps. However, if what you're saying already qualifies as the involvement, I apologise for causing confusion.

I believe there’s a minimum of doctor involvement. Some of the best surgeons in the world have technicians extract grafts exclusively. Hasson and Wong for example have the same practice, they perform the incisions and then supervise every hour while their technicians extract. Dr. Feriduni is also similar. 
 

Hair mills, for example, have zero doctor involvement. In most cases, you don’t even consult with the doctor. 

[gottobestrong]

1 minute ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

I believe there’s a minimum of doctor involvement. Some of the best surgeons in the world have technicians extract grafts exclusively. Hasson and Wong for example have the same practice, they perform the incisions and then supervise every hour while their technicians extract. Dr. Feriduni is also similar. 
 

Hair mills, for example, have zero doctor involvement. In most cases, you don’t even consult with the doctor. 

Understood, thank you!

[Britanium]

12 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Dr. Turan from FUEcapilar has this pricing structure. I would prefer charging per graft, but as long as the doctor isn’t trying to get a huge number of grafts. I don’t see a problem with it. With Dr. Turan, he does a maximum of 3,500 grafts. As long as the doctor is involved and supervising the procedure.

But they are quoting in excess of 4K grafts. Why the change ? All the above cases quoted were 3.8k, 4 and 4.5k. I don’t personally like this type of model. It’s veering in to hair mill territory IMO. ASMED and Cinik have options where the Dr will do the channel opening and that’s it. Let’s hope Yaman doesn’t start doing more hts per day or it could easily end up the same way. Personal choice, just not a model i like. We have always used it as a red flag 🚩 fixed price unlimited grafts. 

[Britanium]

And to be clear I have always been ok with Dr Yaman work overall. Just this move in to fixed pricing that’s alarming to me. Which other recommended Dr does this ? None. 

[Melvin- Admin]

21 minutes ago, JC71 said:

But they are quoting in excess of 4K grafts. Why the change ? All the above cases quoted were 3.8k, 4 and 4.5k. I don’t personally like this type of model. It’s veering in to hair mill territory IMO. ASMED and Cinik have options where the Dr will do the channel opening and that’s it. Let’s hope Yaman doesn’t start doing more hts per day or it could easily end up the same way. Personal choice, just not a model i like. We have always used it as a red flag 🚩 fixed price unlimited grafts. 

I think what we need to determine is that they aren’t saying “unlimited grafts” that’s a problem. I will reach out to Dr. Yaman to verify.