Need help with Hair Transplant Clinic

[harefolliculez]

1 hour ago, AZ67 said:

I think in many clinics doctors just do only the incision part and planning, like Dr Yaman. In ASMED also Dr erdogan does only the icisions and planning and you pay for 2.5 euro/graft, which is quite expensive without full doctor's involvment. In Eugenix too, if you don't select the top packages, Dr Arika does only do the incisions and planning. So i think Dr Yaman is good value for money choice, where you can get a very decent result for an affordable price. 

Exactly one of the reasons why I'm still leaning towards him in case the other options are not possible.

Other doctors charge more and are just if not less involved in the whole process.

The thing is based on my research on him these past few weeks I think he has a lot of great results. Some results are less great, especially with one guy on the forum saying he overharvested the donor area, but when you look at him, he is, along with Dr. Bicer, one of the few doctors who not only posts some 1 year/ 2year post op results but answers questions and criticism when people talk about him in the forum.

Sure, his price is quite low for such a high number of grafts but at the same time, this was Dr. Bicer's price a couple months ago before she decided to increase her price per graft due to getting more popularity( not judging her though. She does some outstanding work)

[digi23]

5 minutes ago, harefolliculez said:

Exactly one of the reasons why I'm still leaning towards him in case the other options are not possible.

Other doctors charge more and are just if not less involved in the whole process.

The thing is based on my research on him these past few weeks I think he has a lot of great results. Some results are less great, especially with one guy on the forum saying he overharvested the donor area, but when you look at him, he is, along with Dr. Bicer, one of the few doctors who not only posts some 1 year/ 2year post op results but answers questions and criticism when people talk about him in the forum.

Sure, his price is quite low for such a high number of grafts but at the same time, this was Dr. Bicer's price a couple months ago before she decided to increase her price per graft due to getting more popularity( not judging her though. She does some outstanding work)

Yes I agree with you on that, Dr Yaman, 4000 grafts for 2350 euros thats about 0,58 euro per graft INCLUDING HOTEL + DRIVER? I mean Dr Yaman basically having a sale of 50% off if you compare to before. But to me it seems sketchy, something most have happened, hes dumping prices out of nothing? 

[AZ67]

9 minutes ago, harefolliculez said:

Exactly one of the reasons why I'm still leaning towards him in case the other options are not possible.

Other doctors charge more and are just if not less involved in the whole process.

The thing is based on my research on him these past few weeks I think he has a lot of great results. Some results are less great, especially with one guy on the forum saying he overharvested the donor area, but when you look at him, he is, along with Dr. Bicer, one of the few doctors who not only posts some 1 year/ 2year post op results but answers questions and criticism when people talk about him in the forum.

Sure, his price is quite low for such a high number of grafts but at the same time, this was Dr. Bicer's price a couple months ago before she decided to increase her price per graft due to getting more popularity( not judging her though. She does some outstanding work)

Dr Yaman has good results in general and he is considered as a safe choice. Dont think that because he has this price, you will not get a good result. Price can get up and down, depending on various factors. Some doctors prefer to charge more and have less patients per week, while other doctors prefer to charge less and have more patients. I dont like doctors who think only how to increase their price. Think that @Dr Resul Yamanis on this forum and he would loose many patients if something goes bad with your procedure. So he will give his maximum to satisfy you.

 

You can also check Dr Demirsoy. He charges 1.25 euro per graft, while bicer is more expensive than him.

[harefolliculez]

8 minutes ago, digi23 said:

Yes I agree with you on that, Dr Yaman, 4000 grafts for 2350 euros thats about 0,58 euro per graft INCLUDING HOTEL + DRIVER? I mean Dr Yaman basically having a sale of 50% off if you compare to before. But to me it seems sketchy, something most have happened, hes dumping prices out of nothing? 

I think it comes down to competition. For him to still be available this very month means he has no patients or at least not as many as he would like to have. To try and get more people to go to his clinic he lowers his prices.

At the end of the day they are a business and a business need customers to survive. Of course, despite lowering their prices, they still have to respect their customers and do their job correctly.

[digi23]

2 minutes ago, harefolliculez said:

I think it comes down to competition. For him to still be available this very month means he has no patients or at least not as many as he would like to have. To try and get more people to go to his clinic he lowers his prices.

At the end of the day they are a business and a business need customers to survive. Of course, despite lowering their prices, they still have to respect their customers and do their job correctly.

Do you have any photos of your situation? Including donor area. 

It is competetion yes but top Drs usually do not lower the prices because of no customers, because it is very difficult to increase the price again once you gone down to 50% off so it is not really a good strategy. 

[harefolliculez]

3 minutes ago, AZ67 said:

Dr Yaman has good results in general and he is considered as a safe choice. Dont think that because he has this price, you will not get a good result. Price can get up and down, depending on various factors. Some doctors prefer to charge more and have less patients per week, while other doctors prefer to charge less and have more patients. I dont like doctors who think only how to increase their price. Think that @Dr Resul Yamanis on this forum and he would loose many patients if something goes bad with your procedure. So he will give his maximum to satisfy you.

 

You can also check Dr Demirsoy. He charges 1.25 euro per graft, while bicer is more expensive than him.

I think it comes down to what I just said to @digi23

Several facts interest me regarding him:

- He is involved in the process

-He has good results

-He is involved in the forum to this day posting experiences and replying to messages.

-His prices are more accessible compared to other clinics.

He has several things going in his favor.

[harefolliculez]

2 minutes ago, digi23 said:

Do you have any photos of your situation? Including donor area. 

It is competetion yes but top Drs usually do not lower the prices because of no customers, because it is very difficult to increase the price again once you gone down to 50% off so it is not really a good strategy. 

Sure. I'll post them below.

Any feedback is appreciated.

[harefolliculez]

Just now, harefolliculez said:

Sure. I'll post them below.

Any feedback is appreciated.

These past 6 months I have adopted the buzzcut so I always keep my hair short. I buzz it every week that's why my hair is short in the pics.

[gottobestrong]

I signed up to be able to discuss a bit about the clinics mentioned in this topic. I have a similar dilemma to you i.e. choosing between Dr Yaman's clinic and Dr Bicer's clinic.

My experience as far as contacting Dr. Yaman's clinic is quite similar to yours i.e. I received quite an extensive return message with pricing and all the details included (2800 grafts on the front and 1000 on the crown). I assume these messages are probably templates suited for each individual (with regards to their problem if that makes sense), but that's OK as at least you get all the information you need. I was (and I guess I still am) satisfied with the response I received, seemed professional to me.

It's been a different story with Dr. Bicer's clinic. To be fair, I wrote to them in the first instance, answered the questions the consultant asked me and sent photos for review (what's worth noting is that I wrote on Sunday and got my first response back on the same day, cool!). I waited probably 4 days for Dr. Bicer's evaluation until I finally decided to bug the consultant and the answer was quite immediate! It was a rather laconic response (2 or 3 sentences) where I was advised to contact a dermatologist and it was mentioned that I had aggressive hair loss (which isn't entirely true, because most of my hair that I've lost so far fell out when I was 19; at that time, I also grew hair all over my body, by the way). At first I was a little pissed off, so I just wrote something like "OK, thank you", but then I thought it was rather lame to be treated that way, so I wrote a second message trying to actually explain what it all looks like exactly, because it seemed to me that the information I could provide could be potentially useful (in fact, my case is very similar to @digi23, maybe a little worse ;>). I haven't got any response from the clinic to the last message. I think that's not fair, but I can't force them to do the procedure, although I'd love to.

At the end of the day, I still don't know what to choose because I want a good specialist in Turkey (ad not the cheapest!) and one of the two recommended on the forum has already refused me. I think both Dr. Bicer and Dr. Yaman are doing a good job, it's just a shame that Dr. Yaman is not an one-patient-at-a-time guy anymore.

[digi23]

4 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

I signed up to be able to discuss a bit about the clinics mentioned in this topic. I have a similar dilemma to you i.e. choosing between Dr Yaman's clinic and Dr Bicer's clinic.

My experience as far as contacting Dr. Yaman's clinic is quite similar to yours i.e. I received quite an extensive return message with pricing and all the details included (2800 grafts on the front and 1000 on the crown). I assume these messages are probably templates suited for each individual (with regards to their problem if that makes sense), but that's OK as at least you get all the information you need. I was (and I guess I still am) satisfied with the response I received, seemed professional to me.

It's been a different story with Dr. Bicer's clinic. To be fair, I wrote to them in the first instance, answered the questions the consultant asked me and sent photos for review (what's worth noting is that I wrote on Sunday and got my first response back on the same day, cool!). I waited probably 4 days for Dr. Bicer's evaluation until I finally decided to bug the consultant and the answer was quite immediate! It was a rather laconic response (2 or 3 sentences) where I was advised to contact a dermatologist and it was mentioned that I had aggressive hair loss (which isn't entirely true, because most of my hair that I've lost so far fell out when I was 19; at that time, I also grew hair all over my body, by the way). At first I was a little pissed off, so I just wrote something like "OK, thank you", but then I thought it was rather lame to be treated that way, so I wrote a second message trying to actually explain what it all looks like exactly, because it seemed to me that the information I could provide could be potentially useful (in fact, my case is very similar to @digi23, maybe a little worse ;>). I haven't got any response from the clinic to the last message. I think that's not fair, but I can't force them to do the procedure, although I'd love to.

At the end of the day, I still don't know what to choose because I want a good specialist in Turkey (ad not the cheapest!) and one of the two recommended on the forum has already refused me. I think both Dr. Bicer and Dr. Yaman are doing a good job, it's just a shame that Dr. Yaman is not an one-patient-at-a-time guy anymore.

Good writeup. 

To be fair, the answer you get from Dr Yamans assistant, Fikret, is just a template that he adjusts based on the amount of grafts you need. He writes the same to everyone. He also do some weird calculations sometimes and designs, I dont know if its Dr Yaman who does the hairline designs in consultations because in my case(and alot of others I have seen) he sent me a hairline design which I though ok. When I got there in person for the hair transplant it was a very different approach than what he first designed & said on WhatsApp. 

Do you have any photos that you can send so we can see? I feel like Dr Yaman will probably accept almost anyone, while Dr Bicer is more selective because she is so popular at the moment.

[Strugglehair]

in my opinion Dr.Yaman

[gottobestrong]

Sure, I could share some photos. Well I guess I've always had a pretty high forehead, but not as high as it is now, haha.

EDIT: Oh and one more thing, my hair has no volume whatsoever because I wore a hat before taking the photos.

Edited November 3, 2021 by gottobestrong

[digi23]

28 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

Sure, I could share some photos. Well I guess I've always had a pretty high forehead, but not as high as it is now, haha.

EDIT: Oh and one more thing, my hair has no volume whatsoever because I wore a hat before taking the photos.

Yes you look abit like me in the front loss, I think you should go for the front only though. Would not recommend to play with the crown with that small loss and it is also your cowlick. If you are interested to try finasteride that would be better for the crown. I would leave it as is anyway.

Edited November 2, 2021 by digi23

[gottobestrong]

1 minute ago, digi23 said:

Yes you look abit like me in the front loss, I think you should go for the front only though. Would not recommend to play with the crown with that small loss and it is also your cowlick. If you are interested to try finasteride that would be better for the crown. I would leave it as is anyway.

I'd been taking finasteride for a year 2 years ago, then stopped for a few reasons. Recently came back to it, we'll see how it goes, but to be fair I expect the results to be good, as it previously was. I'm also going to experiment with RU58841 and some other specs, but also, we'll see what comes out of it.

Thanks for the advice. Do you think I should try to get in to see Dr Bicer? I don't know if I want to ask her very much for a transplant, but I like the fact that she is there for the whole procedure.

[digi23]

2 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

I'd been taking finasteride for a year 2 years ago, then stopped for a few reasons. Recently came back to it, we'll see how it goes, but to be fair I expect the results to be good, as it previously was. I'm also going to experiment with RU58841 and some other specs, but also, we'll see what comes out of it.

Thanks for the advice. Do you think I should try to get in to see Dr Bicer? I don't know if I want to ask her very much for a transplant, but I like the fact that she is there for the whole procedure.

You were quoted 2350 euros aswell from Dr Yaman? Everyone seems to be quoted the same amount, doesnt matter if its 4000 grafts or 2500.

[gottobestrong]

4 minutes ago, digi23 said:

You were quoted 2350 euros aswell from Dr Yaman? Everyone seems to be quoted the same amount, doesnt matter if its 4000 grafts or 2500.

Yes, correct. Bang for the buck, isn't it?

Edited November 2, 2021 by gottobestrong

[digi23]

4 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

Yes, correct. Bang for the buck, isn't it?

Should be if this does not mean he does more patients a day than before, because this is usually hair mill tactics, "unlimited grafts for x price". 

[gottobestrong]

1 minute ago, digi23 said:

Should be if this does not mean he does more patients a day than before, because this is usually hair mill tactics, "unlimited grafts for x price". 

Even so, he seems credible mainly because of his previous work he's done over the years on patients from this forum.

Hence the dilemma, as you would want to be in the best hands that there could possibly be. Someone might say that then you should go to Belgium for example, but 10,000 euros is quite a lot of money. Besides, it's not just that it's cheap in Turkey, it's also often good or even better than, say, western Europe (mainly through experience by which I mean the amount of cases they've gone through and also the amount of mistakes they've made, if that makes sense). It seems to me that at the end of the day you just have to decide on something and pray that it's right choice.

[harefolliculez]

1 hour ago, gottobestrong said:

I signed up to be able to discuss a bit about the clinics mentioned in this topic. I have a similar dilemma to you i.e. choosing between Dr Yaman's clinic and Dr Bicer's clinic.

My experience as far as contacting Dr. Yaman's clinic is quite similar to yours i.e. I received quite an extensive return message with pricing and all the details included (2800 grafts on the front and 1000 on the crown). I assume these messages are probably templates suited for each individual (with regards to their problem if that makes sense), but that's OK as at least you get all the information you need. I was (and I guess I still am) satisfied with the response I received, seemed professional to me.

It's been a different story with Dr. Bicer's clinic. To be fair, I wrote to them in the first instance, answered the questions the consultant asked me and sent photos for review (what's worth noting is that I wrote on Sunday and got my first response back on the same day, cool!). I waited probably 4 days for Dr. Bicer's evaluation until I finally decided to bug the consultant and the answer was quite immediate! It was a rather laconic response (2 or 3 sentences) where I was advised to contact a dermatologist and it was mentioned that I had aggressive hair loss (which isn't entirely true, because most of my hair that I've lost so far fell out when I was 19; at that time, I also grew hair all over my body, by the way). At first I was a little pissed off, so I just wrote something like "OK, thank you", but then I thought it was rather lame to be treated that way, so I wrote a second message trying to actually explain what it all looks like exactly, because it seemed to me that the information I could provide could be potentially useful (in fact, my case is very similar to @digi23, maybe a little worse ;>). I haven't got any response from the clinic to the last message. I think that's not fair, but I can't force them to do the procedure, although I'd love to.

At the end of the day, I still don't know what to choose because I want a good specialist in Turkey (ad not the cheapest!) and one of the two recommended on the forum has already refused me. I think both Dr. Bicer and Dr. Yaman are doing a good job, it's just a shame that Dr. Yaman is not an one-patient-at-a-time guy anymore.

Damn dude first of all thanks for sharing your experience.

It was the exact same thing with me regarding Dr. Bicer. Said I had extreme hair loss and my donor area was not good which I thought was weird since all others I contacted said the opposite. 2 or 3 sentences saying Dr. Bicer recommended I contact a dermatologist and I thanked him.

I see we are on the same situation. I am also leaning towards Dr. Yaman. Again, not because he is cheap but because he is available, participated in the forum quite regularly and has consistent results

 

[digi23]

6 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

Even so, he seems credible mainly because of his previous work he's done over the years on patients from this forum.

Hence the dilemma, as you would want to be in the best hands that there could possibly be. Someone might say that then you should go to Belgium for example, but 10,000 euros is quite a lot of money. Besides, it's not just that it's cheap in Turkey, it's also often good or even better than, say, western Europe (mainly through experience by which I mean the amount of cases they've gone through and also the amount of mistakes they've made, if that makes sense). It seems to me that at the end of the day you just have to decide on something and pray that it's right choice.

I am not saying you need to go Bisanga or Mwamba in Belgium. I would say Dr Gur & Turan from FueCapilar for 1 euro per graft, Dr Demirsoy for 1,25 euro per graft is a much better choice than Dr Yaman in my opinion.

Why I think so and why did I not choose them? Because of too little research and just going into surgery not having any patience. What I like with these is that they only do 1 patient a day and all of them do both incisions + extractions and have been also in my opinion way more consistent if you look at reviews from different forums, not just this.

Also a thing that is worrying is that before Dr Yaman did 4000 grafts for 4000 euros(1 euro per graft), now he decided to go another route, that tells me something must have changed, he is not just starting with this from out of the blue. I guess it will take some time before we know why, because it is not easy to investigate.

Edited November 2, 2021 by digi23

[gottobestrong]

1 minute ago, harefolliculez said:

Damn dude first of all thanks for sharing your experience.

It was the exact same thing with me regarding Dr. Bicer. Said I had extreme hair loss and my donor area was not good which I thought was weird since all others I contacted said the opposite. 2 or 3 sentences saying Dr. Bicer recommended I contact a dermatologist and I thanked him.

I see we are on the same situation. I am also leaning towards Dr. Yaman. Again, not because he is cheap but because he is available, participated in the forum quite regularly and has consistent results

 

Oh, so we're on the same page here. Glad to hear too that because this looks like a reply sent to everyone who apparently Dr Bicer doesn't have time for in the near future.

[harefolliculez]

@digi23@gottobestrongo

Contacted Mr. Fikret yesterday and just received an answer both regarding how Dr. Yaman is involved and how many patients he does per day. I'll post it below 

Hello sir

There are 3 major steps of the surgery which are incisions (channels)step, extraction step and implantation step. Incision step is the first step of the operation and it's performed by Dr.Resul Yaman. Extraction is performed by our extraction experts Ali Yaman or Ufuk Yaman(one of his brothers, have 6 years experience  and trained by Dr.Yaman personally) then implantation is performed by our team supervised by Dr.Resul Yaman. Everyone is specialised with one step of operation.

Dr.Yaman operates max 2-3 patients per day.  

Honestly still leaning towards Dr. Yaman but just contacted HDzc just in case and they're currently evaluation my case. Waiting for an answer.

 

[harefolliculez]

3 minutes ago, gottobestrong said:

Oh, so we're on the same page here. Glad to hear too that because this looks like a reply sent to everyone who apparently Dr Bicer doesn't have time for in the near future.

Yeah thought that as well. His answer seemed rather rude as well (might be just me) but it looks like Dr. Bicer is currently choosing some of the best patients and refuses some cases which might be more difficult to fix.

Could be wrong though.

[gottobestrong]

12 minutes ago, digi23 said:

I am not saying you need to go Bisanga or Mwamba in Belgium. I would say Dr Gur & Turan from FueCapilar for 1 euro per graft, Dr Demirsoy for 1,25 euro per graft is a much better choice than Dr Yaman in my opinion.

Why I think so and why did I not choose them? Because of too little research and just going into surgery not having any patience. What I like with these is that they only do 1 patient a day and all of them do both incisions + extractions and have been also in my opinion way more consistent if you look at reviews from different forums, not just this.

I'm therefore very pleased that you're still here and come to aid! I guess that if it weren't for you guys, I'd go to one of these hair mills without paying too much attention to the details that are the most crucial to the entire procedure.

Edited November 2, 2021 by gottobestrong

[digi23]

2 minutes ago, harefolliculez said:

@digi23@gottobestrongo

Contacted Mr. Fikret yesterday and just received an answer both regarding how Dr. Yaman is involved and how many patients he does per day. I'll post it below 

Hello sir

There are 3 major steps of the surgery which are incisions (channels)step, extraction step and implantation step. Incision step is the first step of the operation and it's performed by Dr.Resul Yaman. Extraction is performed by our extraction experts Ali Yaman or Ufuk Yaman(one of his brothers, have 6 years experience  and trained by Dr.Yaman personally) then implantation is performed by our team supervised by Dr.Resul Yaman. Everyone is specialised with one step of operation.

Dr.Yaman operates max 2-3 patients per day.  

Honestly still leaning towards Dr. Yaman but just contacted HDzc just in case and they're currently evaluation my case. Waiting for an answer.

 

Yes this is what I was told aswell. I am not sure the amount of patients a day he does, to me he said he does only do 2 a day now during the pandemic. 

I am not trying to say do not go to Dr Yaman, I am just informing you guys that somethings changing at the moment with him. In my opinion also he does only have decent results, no one is like WOW, I am perfectly fine with that myself so thats why I decided on him aswell.