Anyone heard of Blue Magic group in Turkey?

[Portugal25]

1 minute ago, Mir_a_Mir said:

@Portugal25 I am following your comments in my thread, haven't got a chance for other threads. But like you said, these doctors are using the DHI technique name and using Choi implanter and still making the incisions so that they can covers more patients. I mean in that case its not technically the DHI technique, they are just using the Choi/Lion pen to implant. Technically its a FUE method.

Correct it’s basic pre-made slits FUE but they can call it DHI because they implant with implantor pens. It’s a marketing gimmick to charge extra and it works. 

[digi23]

1 minute ago, Portugal25 said:

Correct it’s basic pre-made slits FUE but they can call it DHI because they implant with implantor pens. It’s a marketing gimmick to charge extra and it works. 

They are using implantor pens for the normal package aswell, so its abit weird. Or they gave me the "DHI" package even though I only paid for "Sapphire FUE"? Not sure.

[Portugal25]

3 minutes ago, digi23 said:

I did not? You should read what I write. I did NOT choose DHI. I choose Sapphire FUE.

Apologies misunderstood.

His techs must be more used by now to the implator pen. Actually if the slit is already punched on the scalp waiting for the graft it’s much simpler to use implantor pens than to handle the graft with forceps. 
The hardest challenge a Doctor has with DHI is to determine the location of each slit and angle of each graft (one graft implanted at a time) which is difficult without having pre-made slits to pre determine these things (good for techs). 

[Britanium]

@Mir_a_MirNow you have been well and truly steered away from the “mills” who is now on your short list ? Are you tempted by the decent European options ? 

[digi23]

29 minutes ago, Mir_a_Mir said:

Hey @digi23 I don't think they always use the Yaman pen or may be I am not reading this properly. Here is what I received from Dr. Yaman as my two options:

 

Interesting, looks like they do offer a procedure that does not. Here are the two options that I received from his office.

 

1st Package: DHI with Yaman Implanter for including;
* Pre and post consultations with doctor
* Blood analysis and PRP (Platelet-Rich Plasma)
* DHI Operation
* Post operative control and cure
* Post operative medicines
* Special shampoo and lotion for the first 10 washing
* First washing by a specialist
* 3 nights 5* hotel (double room-breakfast inc.)
* Transfers (airport-hotel-clinic-airport) 

2nd Package: Sapphire FUE for including;
* Pre and post consultations with doctor
* Blood analysis and PRP (Platelet-Rich Plasma)
* Operation
* Post operative control and cure
* Post operative medicines
* Special shampoo and lotion for the first 10 washing
* First washing by a specialist
* 3 nights 5* hotel (double room-breakfast inc.)
* Transfers (airport-hotel-clinic-airport)
As attachment I am sending you your online consultation photos so you can see how these grafts will be distributed. The hairline will be designed by Dr. Yaman during your face-to-face consultation. These photos are only DRAFT. 

 

In the operation there are 3 major steps of the surgery which are incisions step, extraction step and implantation step. Incision step is the first step of the operation and it's performed with sapphiere blade by Dr. Yaman. I also confirm that your consultation, hair analysis, hairline design, local anesthesia and incision steps are completed by Dr. Yaman himself too. 
Extraction is performed with low speed modified micro motor by our extraction experts. We have 2 extractionist working with us. One of them is Dr. Yaman’s brother Muhammed Ali Yaman who has been working in our clinic for 6 years. The other is Dr. Yaman’s cousin Ufuk Yaman who has been working with us for 6 years. Both have been trained by Dr. Yaman himself personally. They perform only extraction step of the operation. 
Implantation is performed in 2 different ways considering the package you choose. 

If you choose DHI with Yaman implanter; implantation is perfomed by the implantation team with Yaman Implanter. Dr. Yaman worked on developing Yaman Implanter for 5 years and 2 years ago he took its patent. Since than we have been using Yaman Implanter for implantation step. Our implantation team members have been educated and trained personally by Dr. Yaman himself only to use Yaman Implanter. 

If you choose Sapphire FUE; implantation step is performed by Dr. Yaman’s experienced implantation team carefully with FUE technique. 

If this is the only difference, then there is no difference between DHI and Sapphire FUE or they did give me the DHI package for free, because they were definitely using Yaman implanter. I did choose Sapphire FUE.

Edited October 8, 2021 by digi23

[Portugal25]

14 minutes ago, digi23 said:

I agree aswell, its difficult aswell to argue when its clear that it HAS benefits. But if someone like Dr Bisanga doing better work than the whole industry with pre made slits its not really making DHI, stick and place look like a huge benefit.

Bisanga is very very good but not doing better work than the whole industry. Do a quick search at the spanish forum and HRN and you will realize the best results are from Konior (stick&place), Dr. Couto (DHI) and Dr. Rafael De Freitas (DHI).

[Britanium]

@Mir_a_MirLooking at your pics/level of loss I would say that Eugenix could be worth a consultation. 

[Mir_a_Mir]

2 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

@Mir_a_MirLooking at your pics/level of loss I would say that Eugenix could be worth a consultation. 

Hi @JohnAC71 I will reach out to them this weekend and get a quote as well. 

I think I am off of the Blue Magic plan but I think Dr. Yaman is not a bad option, albeit he not the best but you know if push comes to shove, and I have to go to Istanbul, I think I might go with Dr. Yaman.

I don't know if I looked into the European options, so focused on Turkey. 🙂

Still researching though. 

[digi23]

1 minute ago, Mir_a_Mir said:

Hi @JohnAC71 I will reach out to them this weekend and get a quote as well. 

I think I am off of the Blue Magic plan but I think Dr. Yaman is not a bad option, albeit he not the best but you know if push comes to shove, and I have to go to Istanbul, I think I might go with Dr. Yaman.

I don't know if I looked into the European options, so focused on Turkey. 🙂

Still researching though. 

Have some patience with Demirsoy, I think he might be better for your level of loss. For me it was just 2500 grafts, but you are looking at maybe 5000+, you will probably need to do it in two steps aswell, first the front/mid scalp then the crown.

[Britanium]

Just now, Mir_a_Mir said:

Hi @JohnAC71 I will reach out to them this weekend and get a quote as well. 

I think I am off of the Blue Magic plan but I think Dr. Yaman is not a bad option, albeit he not the best but you know if push comes to shove, and I have to go to Istanbul, I think I might go with Dr. Yaman.

I don't know if I looked into the European options, so focused on Turkey. 🙂

Still researching though. 

Dr Yaman or Dr Demirsoy are both better choices than the plethora of mills, although i rate Dr Bicer higher. Dr Yaman has improved the last couple of years in most respects. 

[Britanium]

3 minutes ago, Mir_a_Mir said:

Hi @JohnAC71 I will reach out to them this weekend and get a quote as well. 

I think I am off of the Blue Magic plan but I think Dr. Yaman is not a bad option, albeit he not the best but you know if push comes to shove, and I have to go to Istanbul, I think I might go with Dr. Yaman.

I don't know if I looked into the European options, so focused on Turkey. 🙂

Still researching though. 

Hit @Doron Haratiup on messenger (HDC rep) he’s pretty responsive! 

[Portugal25]

Just now, Mir_a_Mir said:

Hi @JohnAC71 I will reach out to them this weekend and get a quote as well. 

I think I am off of the Blue Magic plan but I think Dr. Yaman is not a bad option, albeit he not the best but you know if push comes to shove, and I have to go to Istanbul, I think I might go with Dr. Yaman.

I don't know if I looked into the European options, so focused on Turkey. 🙂

Still researching though. 

I highly advise you invest a bit more on your irreversible surgery and at least consider Dr. Bicer. 
Your donor area is limited so every graft must be used properly.
Bicer is low cost Doctor but she is a ethical Doctor doing just 1 patient per day without any of the marketing bullish to prey on uninformed patients that you see at hairmills and Yaman. 

[Mir_a_Mir]

@Portugal25 @JohnAC71 @digi23 I really appreciate your guys filling me in on this and giving me your advice.

I did reach out to Dr. Bicer and she did say my restoration will be in 2 steps with a year apart in between the two surgeries. And yes she is reasonable and I like her but she is way booked out and I cannot wait that long. I have some other family obligations. Wife, Parents, Kids and life comes in the way and I don't want to drop this off to a point that I never get this done. I know this is not the best reasoning because I am making decision based on other factors instead of purely the relying how good the doctor is, but oh well such is my life. 🙂 No complaints, it works for.

I feel truly blessed to even come across this forum and talking you all. At least I am a bit more aware of the facts and will move forward knowingly and not like I am running it the dark.

God Bless you all!!............

 

 

[Portugal25]

24 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

@Mir_a_MirLooking at your pics/level of loss I would say that Eugenix could be worth a consultation. 

@Mir_a_Mir I also just looked at your pictures and OMG I didn’t know you were a NW6. 
You really should be on Finasteride 6months prior to surgery to stop your hailoss and strengthen native hairs (donor area). 
Considering the hairs on the front won’t last long and you will evolve to NW6 you should be looking at around +3000 grafts to rebuild the frontal hairline another +2000 grafts to rebuild the midscalp and crown. 
Basically you require a mega session and I agree with @JohnAC71 that the best option for you will be Dr. Arika at Eugenix that has a similar price to Dr. Bicer.

Eugenix will most likely also extract grafts from beard to add density to your crown.

I hope you consider Eugenix because Dr. Bicer or any other Doctor won’t be able to provide you with the results you will get with Dr. Arika who is the Queen of mega sessions FUE+BHT. 

Trust me If you go with Yaman your setting yourself up for failure.

Edited October 8, 2021 by Portugal25

[Britanium]

It’s what’s we do best 😉 hopefully educate and steer people in the right direction, or mostly the opposite direction from mills. We may not agree on which Drs/Clinics are doing the best work, but we are good at suggesting some really good choices 👍🏽

[Britanium]

Like @Portugal25mentioned meds would be very advisable. At least 6 months to a year before transplant time. And Eugenix would be suggesting this most likely. 
I cannot think of a better suited Clinic for your loss. 

[Mir_a_Mir]

Okay great!, by the way, what is the most number of grafts one should be getting in one session with FUE? Yaman was saying 4500? Is that too much? The Blue Magic said they can do 5500-6000 in a 2 day session? Just so that I know what is a safe number, can you please advise what is a reasonable number is done in one session?

[digi23]

3 minutes ago, Mir_a_Mir said:

Okay great!, by the way, what is the most number of grafts one should be getting in one session with FUE? Yaman was saying 4500? Is that too much? The Blue Magic said they can do 5500-6000 in a 2 day session? Just so that I know what is a safe number, can you please advise what is a reasonable number is done in one session?

This is also a subject of different Drs doing different amount. Some prefer to do no more than 700 a day some prefer not to do more than 5000 a day. Usually 5000+ is highly tech driven because its so labor intensive. What Blue Magic saying you can just throw in the dumpster.

The only ones I can think of which is doing these high number of grafts mega sessions with great results are Dr Arika Bansal of Eugenix if you prefer to do it in 1 take I think you should look no further. 

Two step approach you could do it with Demirsoy or Bicer.

You need to be on finasteride for 6 months+ before operation.

[Portugal25]

11 minutes ago, Mir_a_Mir said:

Okay great!, by the way, what is the most number of grafts one should be getting in one session with FUE? Yaman was saying 4500? Is that too much? The Blue Magic said they can do 5500-6000 in a 2 day session? Just so that I know what is a safe number, can you please advise what is a reasonable number is done in one session?

Eugenix has done more than 7000 grafts in one mega session (this is a 2 to 3 day surgery like mine was).  Check the image attached I took from the thread below.
 

Forget what the hairmill told you because these places will say anything to get you to book one of their dozen empty surgery chairs.

Please don’t let Yaman get ahold of 4500 grafts of your limited donor area. In the hands of Dr. Arika these 4500 grafts could change your life. 

Edited October 8, 2021 by Portugal25

[Britanium]

8 minutes ago, Mir_a_Mir said:

Okay great!, by the way, what is the most number of grafts one should be getting in one session with FUE? Yaman was saying 4500? Is that too much? The Blue Magic said they can do 5500-6000 in a 2 day session? Just so that I know what is a safe number, can you please advise what is a reasonable number is done in one session?

I would have to say a big no to both those. You need a clinic which can utilise your beard grafts to supplement your scalp hair, this is why we mention Eugenix who excel in these type of cases. Or Bisanga who also does good combo transplants. 
Either 4500 or 5500/6000 grafts are just too many grafts to be taken without the risk of over harvesting. Eugenix/Bisanga are really good at managing donor areas. 
The right clinic would do it over a couple of days. 

Edited October 8, 2021 by JohnAC71

[Britanium]

Please just cross out blue magic from your lists/thoughts. And focus on who can give you a good result for your high Norwood level. This is going to be Eugenix which is excellent in the use of FUE/Beard grafts to achieve good results even with Norwood 6/7. 

[BDK081522]

1 hour ago, Mir_a_Mir said:

@Portugal25 I am following your comments in my thread, haven't got a chance for other threads. But like you said, these doctors are using the DHI technique name and using Choi implanter and still making the incisions so that they can covers more patients. I mean in that case its not technically the DHI technique, they are just using the Choi/Lion pen to implant. Technically its a FUE method.

You guys are getting caught up in techniques and terminology when all that really matters is consistent results. I do want to point out that all of these "techniques" DHI, sapphire, stick and place, etc are all FUE hair restorations. FUE stands for follicular unit extraction and has nothing to do with implantation technique. So it sounds rather silly to suggest DHI is better than FUE when they are referring to completely different aspects of the procedure. Don't get caught up in the jargon. Focus on repeatable consistent results. 

[Mir_a_Mir]

1 minute ago, BDK081522 said:

You guys are getting caught up in techniques and terminology when all that really matters is consistent results. I do want to point out that all of these "techniques" DHI, sapphire, stick and place, etc are all FUE hair restorations. FUE stands for follicular unit extraction and has nothing to do with implantation technique. So it sounds rather silly to suggest DHI is better than FUE when they are referring to completely different aspects of the procedure. Don't get caught up in the jargon. Focus on repeatable consistent results. 

Cool @BDK081522, that came out of no where, but its an excellent point. Although implantation is equally important. Messing up the implant can be devastating, I assume.

[BDK081522]

@Mir_a_Mir We're just trying to save you from some of the mistakes that most of us have made. It's fantastic that you found this forum before having any surgery. Most of us didn't and only came here looking for guidance after choosing unwisley for whatever reason. The most popular reason being distance. Most people think they need to go local like any other surgery they would have. That is certainly not the way to approach hair restoration. Secondly, timing. When people make the decision to pursue hair restoration they want the result as soon as possible, or before some event, or before the holidays. All of which can lead to making a decision based on convenience instead of results driven. Please take the advice of the senior members of this forum. You have extensive loss and limited donor. Medical therapy for a year while you pick an elite clinic is the best way to proceed in your case. 

[Mir_a_Mir]

@Portugal25 @JohnAC71 @digi23 I am writing Blue Magic off, I was giving you a reference because now that I am talking to you guys, the sound of harvesting that many grafts does not sound good at all. I was thinking in the wrong way but now I have a good idea how to spot an over promising clinic.