Mir_a_Mir

Hello, everyone!! Hope you all are doing well. Sorry for not posting in so many months post my surgery. I did get my hair transplant done with Dr. Yaman's team back in Nov and it was a very rough experience. Dr. Yaman and his team themselves were nice but over all I don't think it was a good choice now. I'll explain later, probably in a new thread with pics to do justice. Coming to the @Tm2022, even though nobody has heard of Blue Magic or has worked with them over here in this forum, now after going to Turkey and seeing things firsthand, I wouldn't completely write Blue Magic off because they do what 100's of others are doing and are successful. I went with Yaman who is a preferred doc of this forum and I had a rough experience. I am not too happy about my transplant anyways. Remember this forum only recommends the BEST and I think that is amazing but this is not the be-all-end-all. I agree with @Euphoria there are so many good doctors out there who are not mentioned on this forum. Blue Magic was offering me 2 days of procedure for approx 5000 grafts while Yaman jammed all of that in 1 day and I had 11 grueling hours on the most uncomfortable bed. And that was horrible!!! During my stay, I saw 100's of names and people getting their procedures from them and they were all good, at least they didn't seem to be having a rough time like me. Everybody is different and will react differently to the procedure, no matter who does it, EXCEPT if you go with the most elite docs mentioned here who change a lot. If you are tight on the budget and need to get a transplant, Turkey is a good place. If you can go to India, then that is a very good option, but not everyone can go to India.

Hello @London Geezer hope you are seeing some great results by now, would love to see any updated pic of your hair now.

@Portugal25 @JohnAC71 @digi23 I am writing Blue Magic off, I was giving you a reference because now that I am talking to you guys, the sound of harvesting that many grafts does not sound good at all. I was thinking in the wrong way but now I have a good idea how to spot an over promising clinic.

Cool @BDK081522, that came out of no where, but its an excellent point. Although implantation is equally important. Messing up the implant can be devastating, I assume.

Okay great!, by the way, what is the most number of grafts one should be getting in one session with FUE? Yaman was saying 4500? Is that too much? The Blue Magic said they can do 5500-6000 in a 2 day session? Just so that I know what is a safe number, can you please advise what is a reasonable number is done in one session?

@Portugal25 @JohnAC71 @digi23 I really appreciate your guys filling me in on this and giving me your advice. I did reach out to Dr. Bicer and she did say my restoration will be in 2 steps with a year apart in between the two surgeries. And yes she is reasonable and I like her but she is way booked out and I cannot wait that long. I have some other family obligations. Wife, Parents, Kids and life comes in the way and I don't want to drop this off to a point that I never get this done. I know this is not the best reasoning because I am making decision based on other factors instead of purely the relying how good the doctor is, but oh well such is my life. 🙂 No complaints, it works for. I feel truly blessed to even come across this forum and talking you all. At least I am a bit more aware of the facts and will move forward knowingly and not like I am running it the dark. God Bless you all!!............

Hi @JohnAC71 I will reach out to them this weekend and get a quote as well. I think I am off of the Blue Magic plan but I think Dr. Yaman is not a bad option, albeit he not the best but you know if push comes to shove, and I have to go to Istanbul, I think I might go with Dr. Yaman. I don't know if I looked into the European options, so focused on Turkey. 🙂 Still researching though.

@Portugal25 I am following your comments in my thread, haven't got a chance for other threads. But like you said, these doctors are using the DHI technique name and using Choi implanter and still making the incisions so that they can covers more patients. I mean in that case its not technically the DHI technique, they are just using the Choi/Lion pen to implant. Technically its a FUE method.

@Portugal25 You hit that nail on its head with this point. I was initially told that the maximum grafts that can be done with the DHI technique is 3500 in one day. And that is why I was a bit surprised that Dr. Yaman office was telling me that they are do probably 4500 grafts in one day with the DHI technique.

That is what I thought initially but then got confused because a lot of consultants were telling its DHI but the they were also saying that the incisions are necessary. I got lost there.

Hey @digi23 I don't think they always use the Yaman pen or may be I am not reading this properly. Here is what I received from Dr. Yaman as my two options: Interesting, looks like they do offer a procedure that does not. Here are the two options that I received from his office. 1st Package: DHI with Yaman Implanter for including; * Pre and post consultations with doctor * Blood analysis and PRP (Platelet-Rich Plasma) * DHI Operation * Post operative control and cure * Post operative medicines * Special shampoo and lotion for the first 10 washing * First washing by a specialist * 3 nights 5* hotel (double room-breakfast inc.) * Transfers (airport-hotel-clinic-airport) 2nd Package: Sapphire FUE for including; * Pre and post consultations with doctor * Blood analysis and PRP (Platelet-Rich Plasma) * Operation * Post operative control and cure * Post operative medicines * Special shampoo and lotion for the first 10 washing * First washing by a specialist * 3 nights 5* hotel (double room-breakfast inc.) * Transfers (airport-hotel-clinic-airport) As attachment I am sending you your online consultation photos so you can see how these grafts will be distributed. The hairline will be designed by Dr. Yaman during your face-to-face consultation. These photos are only DRAFT. In the operation there are 3 major steps of the surgery which are incisions step, extraction step and implantation step. Incision step is the first step of the operation and it's performed with sapphiere blade by Dr. Yaman. I also confirm that your consultation, hair analysis, hairline design, local anesthesia and incision steps are completed by Dr. Yaman himself too. Extraction is performed with low speed modified micro motor by our extraction experts. We have 2 extractionist working with us. One of them is Dr. Yaman’s brother Muhammed Ali Yaman who has been working in our clinic for 6 years. The other is Dr. Yaman’s cousin Ufuk Yaman who has been working with us for 6 years. Both have been trained by Dr. Yaman himself personally. They perform only extraction step of the operation. Implantation is performed in 2 different ways considering the package you choose. If you choose DHI with Yaman implanter; implantation is perfomed by the implantation team with Yaman Implanter. Dr. Yaman worked on developing Yaman Implanter for 5 years and 2 years ago he took its patent. Since than we have been using Yaman Implanter for implantation step. Our implantation team members have been educated and trained personally by Dr. Yaman himself only to use Yaman Implanter. If you choose Sapphire FUE; implantation step is performed by Dr. Yaman’s experienced implantation team carefully with FUE technique.

So @Portugal25 are you saying that with DHI, in reality there is not requirement for pre-made incisions? You know that is what I had thought initially but then I got confused and thought that incisions are required regardless of the use of the pen or not.

Well, @Portugal25 Dr. Yaman uses Yaman Pen.... Hehe. Hey @digi23 you were with him just recently, did Dr. Yaman use the Yaman pen to do the implantation? Or did you go with the FUE package that he used the forceps?

Hi @Portugal25 you bring up a good point. DHI seems to be the latest technique because it needs smaller incisions as the Choi pen is able to implant the graft in that small incisions compared to the FUE technique that requires comparatively bigger incisions because the grafts are implanted with forceps. Am I correct in my understanding? Please correct me if I am off.

HI @digi23 here are my pics. May be I should have posted at the start of the thread.

Yeah, that is one thing about Dr. Yaman I don't like. Thanks for pointing it out. Dr. Bicer has dates in April 2022 and I can't wait that long. \ One thing I wanted to ask about his technique though, does he do FUE or DHI? His rep said that he used Yaman Pen to implant the grafts, not sure what to make of that.

So true about Demirdoy, no response what so ever. That is true, Incisions and extractions are important, well implantations too but I agree the first two are important. Thanks @digi23 for your quick response.

Hi @digi23 I read your review for Dr. Yaman and from what I see you had good results, so far. So what exactly was that you didn't like about the procedure? I am thinking about Dr. Yaman. I have not received any replies back from Dr. Erkan Demirsoy so not sure what to make of it. Can you please let me know what I can ask for better with Dr. Yaman? Anything that you would do differently if you had to go back again?

@digi23 I am so glad that you mentioned about Dr. Yaman. I will check out your post and I do have some questions that I will post. Appreciate all your help.

Hi @Portugal25 yeah I am dropping the whole Turkey plan, so disappointing. Lets see what Bicer and Dermisoy have to say, if not then I'll go to Dr. Arika at Eugenix. Although, I do have someone that I know who got the transplant at Eugenix in Delhi, guessing it was Arika and it didn't turn out that great at all. No problems but just not a great result. He had a massive area to be covered and not a good donor area. So keeping in view those factors, I am now more leaning towards at least finding out what Eugenix has to offer. Thank you for your time, appreciate it.

@Egy Oh man!!! So overwhelming!! Ugh, almost feel like I am okay being bald. At least I have good head on my shoulders instead of some botched holed one. 🙂

Hi @JohnAC71 what doctors are you recommending?

You are so correct about not being a guinea pig, I definitely don't want to be on for sure. As for the vetted doctors list, I guess you are referring to the list the @blackislbackinitially posted. I mean from that, I guess the only ones I can probably try are Br. Bicer, Dr Dermisoy and then Eugenix since going to India will not be a problem for me. Was there anyone else who you were referring to? What about Dr. Nader from Mexico?

You are correct Melvin, and like even I mentioned it is a gamble, especially with our health. But I have to say one thing though. As I mentioned my brother got his HT from ASMED last year and paid 11K and even Dr. Koray did the same procedure, only made incisions and the rest was done by his team. His results are good, but not the best. And Dr. Koray is considered as a good doctor in Turkey. I spoke to Dr. Bicer's office and yes I would like that. Will try Demirsoy as well. And reading the forums, I stumbled upon Dr Nader from Mexico. He seems good as well. Will contact his office and see what they have to say in terms of procedures and prices.

Haha....Magic RoundAbout...that was funny. Yeah, I am not really leaning towards it.