Senior Member ontop Posted May 26, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted May 26, 2015 Your welcome. Maybe have a word with your HT doc & change over to dut.. Or some people do a combo of both... Again have a word with your Doc .. Best wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Yonex Posted May 26, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted May 26, 2015 Interesting thread this Personally I think your hair looks great Your thread really shows the limitations of a HT in that with high norwoods that 'DenseDream' is pretty much beyond being realistic, if only we all could get 20/30k grafts!! You have come a long long way mate, you have been through a hell of a lot with the stresses and strains of getting this thing done (times 3)!! you look great IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MAGNUMpi Posted May 26, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted May 26, 2015 Hi densedream, If you could start all over again, before the first procedure, knowing what you know now, what would you do? How much did you spend on all procedures combined? (if you don't mind me asking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted May 27, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hi densedream,If you could start all over again, before the first procedure, knowing what you know now, what would you do? How much did you spend on all procedures combined? (if you don't mind me asking). If I could do it all over again I would have waited until 30 years to do any surgeries. I would have also went for a FUE, probably with Dr. Bhatti the quality/price ratio is great. With beard grafts and body hair FUE can accomplish a lot. I could then shave my hair to a 3-4 blade is things got really bad in the future. Now I am stuck with a giant wrap around scar as can be seen in my photos. Dr. Bhatti did repair it with beard grafts so it does look better, but I will never be able to shave to under 3-4 blade. 1st Dr Pong - $3200 2nd Dr. Panine - $9,000 3rd Dr. Panine - Free 4th Dr. Bhatti - $3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted July 16, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 16, 2015 Thought I'd share some pics with wet hair. Wow wet hair is scary really shows the thinning hardcore. My mid scalp is thinning and that's my new reality... I hope between my beard and what's left of my donor, I'll be able to address what falls out in the future. Is the cure still 10 years out??lol A few dry pics show an area in my part that looks bad still even after all the grafts. I'm 10 months post-op Dr. Bhatti BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Garageland Posted July 16, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted July 16, 2015 Densedream, I read through your previous posts and whilst you have had a lot of grafts especially into the crown under normal lighting your hair looks great. I do agree with others that chasing a dream of full density into the crown was probably unrealistic and Dr Beehner advised that at the time. I can understand your frustrations after so many grafts and being consistent on Propecia. Taking photos with wet hair under bathroom spotlighting is only going to lead to disappointment and is not a realistic way to judge the true state of your hair. I don't think you should be looking for the next surgery to address the mid scalp until you really need it and hopefully that day won't happen. Keep your grafts in reserve for now I think you need a break from surgeries for now. All the best you are looking good. --- Former patient and representative for Hasson & Wong. Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are esteemed members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Hasson & Wong. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Hasson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted July 17, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 17, 2015 Thanks Garageland for your reply. There has been a lot of frustration indeed and I never imagined that this is how the road would lead but I am happy overall even though I've been through so much. My hair does look ok dry and styled with a bit of Caboki. The pics I posted are the worst possible reflection of the hair because I wanted to see the scenario without sugar coating it to see where my hair could be heading I am not getting a surgery anytime soon at all, I don't have the money to blow and it has been an unhealthy obsession for the past 5 years of my life. I'm going to enjoy my hair for what it is even though it's not as perfect as my unrealistic expectations. Dr. Beehner gave me such sound advice years ago and everything he said is happening. Let this be a lesson to other forum members who get advice from doctors with history and wisdom. Some of them have your best interest in mind, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member FUE2014 Posted July 17, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted July 17, 2015 Your donar looks fairly thick still and your hair in the second photo (of your front profile) looks great, as Garageland says bright bathroom lights are not flattering and would highlight thin areas in most men I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted July 17, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted July 17, 2015 Your donar looks fairly thick still and your hair in the second photo (of your front profile) looks great, as Garageland says bright bathroom lights are not flattering and would highlight thin areas in most men I would say. Yeah I saw a photo of my hair in natural light from a distance and it didn't even look like I was balding so this photos show the worse it looks. After swimming or the beach is when it would look then and shitty but to many it's better than being totally bald. My donor is still pretty thick considering how much has already beed harvested. I get the friar tuck look when it grown bc the sides are so much thicker than the top. I think I have about 3000 left FUE plus beard hair. So I'll keep that in the bank until I'm 40 and reassess the situation^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ontop Posted July 17, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted July 17, 2015 Your head shape looks good for a buzz cut & just a thought buzz it down have temp SMP all over the scalp esp the thinner areas & see how that looks...you never know that could work because I've a feeling with you that its the scalp showing which bother you more than the density. But like garageland said give your scalp a rest for any future HT & again maybe have a chat with your Dr about Dut or a combo fin/Dut & see what the next 1/2 yrs is like. Just food for thought there buddy. Great post for the young bucks out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted August 28, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted August 28, 2015 Well, I'm almost one year post op from my 4th Surgery with Dr. Bhatti. I can say that I am very satisfied. The beard FUE into my FUT scar grew remarkably well and I can now cut my hair shorter without the scar being obvious. My hair dresser even had trouble finding it when before it was as clear as day. My temple points are much more defined as well as the middle of the hairline. Mid scalp thinning which was my main reason for getting surgery has been greatly reduced. For the amount of money spent and results obtained, this has been my best surgery. If only I knew about Dr. Bhatti from the get go,I would have more money in my pocket and more hair on my head. That is why this forum is so important and I greatly appreciate it's existence. It helps us seek out the best solution for our insecurities. Thanks Dr. Bhatti and HRN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member CaliHairGuy Posted September 9, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted September 9, 2015 Question on that FUT scar. I thought nowadays, they closed the scar so that hair grows through it? However, that looks not to be the case with the shaved head pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted September 10, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yes most doctors do you a tricophytic closure in which the hair grows through the scar ideally. Unfortunately it did not work well in my case after my 2nd FUT. My first doctor (Dr. Pong) made a beautiful trico scar that was barely detectable at a 2 -3 blade cut. The second FUT was bigger for more grafts (different doctor) and did not turn out as well. Dr. Bhatti repaired that scar with beard grafts and it looks better now when I cut it short. It's just one of the risk with FUT. No guarantee for a great scar. But the good news is the FUE into the scar can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member CalvinJR Posted September 10, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted September 10, 2015 I had that closure and it does not work if stretched. Also FUE into scar tissue has lower yield - I?ve heard. Blood supply is harder to obtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member CaliHairGuy Posted September 10, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yes most doctors do you a tricophytic closure in which the hair grows through the scar ideally. Unfortunately it did not work well in my case after my 2nd FUT. My first doctor (Dr. Pong) made a beautiful trico scar that was barely detectable at a 2 -3 blade cut. The second FUT was bigger for more grafts (different doctor) and did not turn out as well. Dr. Bhatti repaired that scar with beard grafts and it looks better now when I cut it short. It's just one of the risk with FUT. No guarantee for a great scar. But the good news is the FUE into the scar can work. So, did Dr. Panine comment as to why the scar looks like that? That certainly doesn't look like a tricophytic closure, unless it stretched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Windjammer Posted September 10, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted September 10, 2015 How many beard grafts did you end up having placed into your FUT scar? Did your beard recipient area heal up relatively well? Would be great to see some photos of your beard donor and your FUT scar now that the grafts have grown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted September 11, 2015 Author Senior Member Share Posted September 11, 2015 I had about 100 beard grafts I think. The beard grafts were taking from under the chin. If I grow my facial hair for a day or two I can see where the hairless parts are if I look closely. Just looks like white skin. It's not noticeable to anyone. My scar no blends in with my other hair, before I could lift up my hair on the side and find it in 2 seconds. Now I can define where it is. I'm sure if I had 1-2 blade I could see it easier but I never cut it that short. I'll try to get some photos up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Sethticles Posted September 11, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted September 11, 2015 please go for the 11,000 graft, Im sure that would some kind of record..... think of the hits you'd get on youtube with a title "11,000 grafts HT journey" you'd be famous in no time at all.... take care ! June 2013 - 3000 FUE Dr Bhatti Oct 2013 - 1000 FUE Dr Bhatti Oct 2015 - 785 FUE Dr Bhatti Dr. Bhatti's Recommendation Profile on the Hair Transplant Network My story and photos can be seen here http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/Sethticles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mountinvan Posted October 15, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted October 15, 2016 Densedream, you certainly make great contributions to this site. Thanks. I came back to this thread after reading some of your more recent posts in the hope of seeing how your fourth with Dr. Bhatti worked out. Also, did you ever try the fin/dut combo suggested earlier in this thread. Just wondering why that makes sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted October 23, 2016 Author Senior Member Share Posted October 23, 2016 Thanks Mountinvan I never did the DUT, still on 1.25 of proscar every other day. Here are some pics of my current situation. This is 2 years after Dr. Bhatti. My scar is better and hard to find at all. But with that said, I can't go below a #4 blade bc you can still see the indention of the scar. You can see the smiley face shape. Still better than before. I think my hairline looks a little harsh and I have some nearly bald areas still in crown even though I've had a crazy amount of grafts there. But I'm done putting anything back there. I'm going to consult with Dr. Yaman and see if I can soften up the hairline and add density where he thinks it's possible. Not sure if my donor is even good enough but I've had in person consultation and some doctors said I have 3-4000 grafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member vik757 Posted October 23, 2016 Regular Member Share Posted October 23, 2016 Thanks Mountinvan I never did the DUT, still on 1.25 of proscar every other day. Here are some pics of my current situation. This is 2 years after Dr. Bhatti. My scar is better and hard to find at all. But with that said, I can't go below a #4 blade bc you can still see the indention of the scar. You can see the smiley face shape. Still better than before. I think my hairline looks a little harsh and I have some nearly bald areas still in crown even though I've had a crazy amount of grafts there. But I'm done putting anything back there. I'm going to consult with Dr. Yaman and see if I can soften up the hairline and add density where he thinks it's possible. Not sure if my donor is even good enough but I've had in person consultation and some doctors said I have 3-4000 grafts. Hi Densedream, I have been following your case. You seem to be happy with Dr. Bhatti's work. So, why are you considering Dr Yaman over Dr. Bhatti? Is that Dr. Yaman is better than Dr. Bhatti or some other reason. Cheers V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted October 23, 2016 Author Senior Member Share Posted October 23, 2016 Nothing against Dr. Bhatti. I just like what I see coming out of Dr. Yaman's work and I can visit a new country as well. Great price, includes PRP, and I think he is just as good or better. So I'm gonna follow my gut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member AB2000 Posted October 23, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted October 23, 2016 please go for the 11,000 graft, Im sure that would some kind of record..... think of the hits you'd get on youtube with a title "11,000 grafts HT journey" you'd be famous in no time at all.... take care ! The highest I've read about is this one, 20,000 grafts: My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member JeffC45 Posted October 24, 2016 Regular Member Share Posted October 24, 2016 When you said if you could do it over again, you would have gone directly to Dr. Bhatti, do you mean that you wish you had never had FUT done and had done all FUE? Has your FUT scar been your biggest regret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aWidowsPeek Posted October 24, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted October 24, 2016 The 20,000 grafts guy looks ridiculous. His hair just looks odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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