Senior Member hairbank Posted December 21, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2006 GP- From my prospective.................neither was that painful in general. In comparing the two, I did have more pain with the first HT but I believe that was due to poorer quality of work............especially the donor area which really hurt the first night. Not bashing my first Doc as he was very genuine and I liked him, but he was still using the pins for incisions, not directionally placing grafts, session size max around 1200 grafts...etc. For HT#2, with Dr. Wong, it was a walk in the park..........really. A few pin pricks numbing the donor, same with the recipient site.........no pain the first night or any other. I'll be anxious to hear about Master Bill's experiences (since he's had 3, ya know!!). Hairbank 1st HT 1-18-05 - 1200 FUT's 2nd HT 2-15-06 - 3886 FUT's Dr. Wong 3rd HT 4-24-08 - 2415 FUT's Dr. Wong GRAND TOTAL: 7501 GRAFTS current regimen: 1.25mg finasteride every other day My Hair Loss Weblog Disclaimer: I'm not a Doctor (and have never played one on TV ) and have no medical training. Any information I share here is in an effort to help those who don't like hair loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NervousNelly Posted December 21, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2006 Bill, Ya I guess I don't know what I was thinking you are still very early in the growth cycle--any signs at all of the new stuff?? Damn, once that new stuff begins to grow and fill in we'll have to add one more name for you--Bushero! NN Dr.Cole,1989. ??graftcount Dr. Ron Shapiro. Aug., 2007 Total graft count 2862 Total hairs 5495 1hairs--916 2hairs--1349 3hairs--507 4hairs--90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GrowPlease Posted December 21, 2006 Regular Member Share Posted December 21, 2006 Bill and HB, I guess I should of clarified my question. I think Bill nailed it on the head. I was actually wondering about the emotional rather than physical pain of it all. I didn't realize "the wait" was going to be so bad. I actually had no idea that I would regress before I saw any new developments. I guess what I'm asking, "Does the wait get easier to deal with after your second or third HT?" I'm thinking it does. 0.5 mg Avodart daily since 6/19/06 1950 grafts with Dr. Hasson in the front line 6/19/06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 Nervous, No signs of new growth yet...with the exception of some of the head pimples I've been getting...which is always a good sign...and some extended itchiness that has come back a little...another sign of the little guys brewing. But 2 months is too early to see any growth for most people. IF my hairs start to grow around the same time as the last two, I'd expect in about 2-4 more weeks to see some slight evidence of growth and feel pretty good between month 4 and 5. But that's only if my third HT repeats like the second. Growplease, "Does the wait get easier to deal with after your second or third HT?" Yes, the wait gets much easier IMO, however, it took until the third HT for me to be comfortable with it. I think that's partially because I chose a different doc for every surgery and though I knew everything grew out that was transplanted after the first one, when I saw myself regress again with the second HT, I was worried all over again because it was a different doc. But now that I've been through it 2 times, emotionally, it seems much easier. sure, I still want those little babies to start to grow already...but knowing what I know and feeling more comfortable, I know I'm in a good place for 2 months. I mean...after all....look at Bushy's second month post op photos from his second HT. His hair looked horrible...and NOW look at it. It's all if not more than I could hope for for myself. Seeing other people go through the same thing you are should give you comfort, and these first few months will feel more like a bad dream . Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairbank Posted December 22, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 22, 2006 My bad, Nervous...missed your point completely.... As for the emotional part...............2nd was definitely easier than the 1st for me. I suppose this was primarily due my prior experience......knowing the new hair was going to fall out....knowing there may be shock loss......knowing it would take several months before I really saw anything.........etc. There was definitely some assurance there having been through it before. Part of my ease with HT#2 was knowing Dr. Wong had an excellent reputation. I knew I was in the best of hands........HT#2 was better all the way around. Hairbank 1st HT 1-18-05 - 1200 FUT's 2nd HT 2-15-06 - 3886 FUT's Dr. Wong 3rd HT 4-24-08 - 2415 FUT's Dr. Wong GRAND TOTAL: 7501 GRAFTS current regimen: 1.25mg finasteride every other day My Hair Loss Weblog Disclaimer: I'm not a Doctor (and have never played one on TV ) and have no medical training. Any information I share here is in an effort to help those who don't like hair loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GrowPlease Posted December 23, 2006 Regular Member Share Posted December 23, 2006 oh crap, I didn't even think about freaking out b/c of changing Docs. That would trip me out too. Well, its good to know that it gets easier with each HT. Thanks guys. 0.5 mg Avodart daily since 6/19/06 1950 grafts with Dr. Hasson in the front line 6/19/06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Bushy Posted December 23, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 23, 2006 Bill, congrats on a clean recovery so far. Another month or two and the true results will start showing. Thanks for the updates. By the way, the second was a bit more difficult for me emotionally in one regard: shock loss. The first time around I had none (there was nothing to lose ), but seeing that mess of a head at the two-month mark was kind of disconcerting. Needless to say, that has more than been made up for by now!!! ____________________________________ My blog. HT1: 4063 grafts by Dr. Hasson, 12/9/03 HT2: 3537 grafts by Dr. Hasson, 5/15/06 Total grafts: 7,600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Glock08 Posted December 23, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 23, 2006 Originally posted by Bill:.with the exception of some of the head pimples I've been getting...which is always a good sign...and some extended itchiness Bill Bill: Is there anything you can do for the pimples and itchiness? I have alot (3months yesterday) and some ingrown hairs on the perimeter where the hair piece used to be..hair is growing out like a wire brush! Happy growing..and thanks for your contributions. Glock08 My Hair Loss Weblog Dr. True 9/22/06 4326 grafts 2129 1's 2168 2's 6545 Total Hairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member biscuit Posted December 23, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 23, 2006 Awesome documentation Bill, lookin good so far. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My HT Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PB Posted December 23, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 23, 2006 Looking good at 2 months thanks to your previous HTs! Congats! That looks like a very long scar, do you know how long it is? PB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted December 24, 2006 Author Share Posted December 24, 2006 Wow...thanks guys for all the comments....allow me to address each one. Growplease, Yeah, switching docs kinda made my second one feel like a first one all over again you know? But by the time the third one came around, it was like, been there, done that...and the fact that this was the cleanest surgery with minimal shockloss made it easy for me this round . Now all I have to do is wait for the party to start. Bushy, Thanks man. Yes, I saw your 2 month photos...in fact, I've been using your blog as a guide (I know everyone grows at different rates and has different experiences). I've actually helped reassure people by directing them to your blog as well, because of the large amount of shockloss at month 2 and your amazing results now at only 7 months. My wife was dumbfounded when I showed her your blog...lol...in a GOOD way! I just hope I too can call myself "Bushy" by month 7 Glock08, For itchiness, I've been using Aloe on my head...seems to soothe things pretty nicely. Regarding pimples, you could always try a product called "Tendskin", you may have to order it online. I must warn you that it has alcohol in it, so I wouldn't use it the first month post or two post op...but after that, you should be ok. Check with your doctor to confirm. But it does seem to help with the "pimples" or in-grown hairs. Biscuit, Thanks for the kudos. So far so good. As I said before, I've been following your blog from the beginning of your journey and was using your progress as a guide for my second journey. Seeing your results helped me feel better about my shockloss knowing full well that the next few months ahead would be quite a fun journey. PB, Good to hear from you man...it's been awhile. I haven't measured the scar...but it's probably longer than most people's I'm sure. The scar area is looking better than last month...I think some of the shocklossed hairs in the donor area is starting to come back...so that's nice to see. I'm also using Mederma on the scar to try to help the healing process. Merry Christmas Everyone and feel free to post more questions/comments! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NervousNelly Posted December 24, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 24, 2006 Bill, Just curious as to what style of haircut you tend to prefer? I understand that there are several options when you have the density you'll likely get, but with all the research you've done I'm sure you are aware of what tends to "look best" for most people with a HT. I understand that there are several variables but the short on sides and back with 2inches up top tends to appear more dense. Is the hairstyle you currently sport for growing out or is this probably what you tend to have? Kind of a strange question I know but since you have had 2 prior HT's I'm sure you have experimented and have a vision or hope as to what you will be able to pull off. It will kind of give me an idea as to what I might be able to shoot for as I believe I may have 6000+ FU left to play with. I would love to have the combed back sort of spikey look--I'm a throwback from the 80's. We have all seen however several guys that I think get overly excited about having hair and grow it too long and it tends to take away from the technical artistry of the work. Just curious! NN Dr.Cole,1989. ??graftcount Dr. Ron Shapiro. Aug., 2007 Total graft count 2862 Total hairs 5495 1hairs--916 2hairs--1349 3hairs--507 4hairs--90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cousin_It Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 You should be nearing the 3 month mark soon, looking forward to the next update. I am sure you are continuing to make great progress as you have so far! Good Luck in the New Year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted December 26, 2006 Author Share Posted December 26, 2006 Nervous, I think I'll grow a mullet when my hair finally grows in and travel back to the 80s...what do you think? Think my wife will approve? Ok ok...maybe not. Regarding my hairstyle, I am thinking I will grow it a little longer....I'll probably grow it kind of like Bushy's if I can get away with it and have the density to pull it off. I have always liked my hair a little longer but have cut it much shorter simply because I don't have the density yet to pull off a longer hairstyle. I think if an HT is done right, hairstyles ARE indeed flexible and it really comes down more to finding a hairstyle right for YOU, not because of the HT itself, if that makes sense. So...by the time I hit about 8 months, hopefully I will have selected some kind of hairstyle that looks good on me with my new hair Cousin_It, LOL...I wish I was closer to 3 months....but I had my surgery on Oct 19, so 3 months will be Jan 19th....still a ways to go....though if you want an update, I've had a good number of pimples on my head in various places...not too fun, but always a good sign of something brewing underneath. I'd say if all goes as things did the last 2 times, something should start to occur around 12 months and there will be some cosemtic difference by about 16-18 weeks. Keep posted Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NervousNelly Posted December 26, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 26, 2006 Nothing like a good mullet. Growing up in Canada a mullet was also referred to as hockey hair-- the long hair blowing in the breeze outside the helmet. Not sure your wife or mine would approve of us with this style but how cool to have the option! NN Dr.Cole,1989. ??graftcount Dr. Ron Shapiro. Aug., 2007 Total graft count 2862 Total hairs 5495 1hairs--916 2hairs--1349 3hairs--507 4hairs--90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted December 26, 2006 Author Share Posted December 26, 2006 LOL....well a mullet here doesn't really have to do anything with the norwood area. A mullet is typically growing the back out to be really long while the top stays relatively short. It looks pretty ridiculous I think...even when it wasn't in style, I never wore it. Though I should try to find a picture of me with my longer hair and post it. Ah how the women loved it Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 10 week update: 1. Scar pics updated at 10 weeks. Scar continues to heal, looking better, some shockloss in the donor area going away as hair is starting to grow back there. 2. Some activity is brewing in the recipient area. A few, very fiew, but a few nonetheless, hairs have started to rise. Several pimples here and there, in the hairline and the crown especially. Nothing cosmetically different or anything...but 10 weeks seems to be when activity begins to start for me from history so we'll see. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Beefy Posted December 29, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 29, 2006 Bill you are going to be one hairy man by next x-mass. Its amazing how the human scalp can take a beating and still come back for more. 1045 FUT "hairline" with Dr Feller on Nov 05 825 "hairline" with Dr Loria "saw so so results" on Jan 01 MHR 325 "hairline" micro/mini 's 1999 "big mistake" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MrJobi Posted December 30, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 30, 2006 Looking good Bill Scar looks good and of course we cannot comment yet on your growth but 6 months from now you are going to be in paradise.. I just hit 10 month point of my 2nd HT and the results keep getting better and better Turns out I will not be seeing H & W for my 3rd HT .. After speaking with them, they cannot perform a large HT without shaving my head. They did suggest smaller sessions but that contradicts the reason why I entertained the thought. Just wasn't a good match as I respect their methods and the requirements. Anyway, I cannot be happier with my results from Dr. True and another 1500-2000 HT's and I'll be looking perfect!! My hairloss was about 30% less than your situation.. Cheers and I look forward to your progress JOBI 1417 FUT - Dr. True 1476 FUT - Dr. True 2124 FUT - Dr. True 604 FUE - Dr. True My views are based on my personal experiences, research and objective observations. I am not a doctor. Total - 5621 FU's uncut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member M&M Posted December 31, 2006 Senior Member Share Posted December 31, 2006 Bill, I have enjoyed reading your progress since I first located this forum about one year ago. I have always been impressed with how refined your hairline is and now it will be truly impressive (along with your top and crown), thanks to H&W. I thought it was about time I said 'thanks' for writing such well documented updates, which will prove invaluable to new members, 1-year anniversary members like me and veterans alike. All the best for strong growth in '07! ___________________________ 1662 with Dr. Ron Shapiro - Spring 2006 1105 with Dr. Ron Shapiro - Fall 2009 M&M Weblog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member sah1974 Posted December 31, 2006 Regular Member Share Posted December 31, 2006 I just wanted to agree with M&M. Your willingness to document your "journey" in such detail is extremely helpful to everyone on this forum. Best of luck to you and your growth in '07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 Thank you for your posts gentlemen. MrJb, I understand that shaving the head down isn't appealing to everyone. I'm sure Dr. True will continue to do good work on you. M&M and Sah1974, Thanks for the compliments. It's my pleasure and honor to be here to be able to document my journey in order to help others. Of course, the encouragement and help from you all has been outstanding to me too! We are all in this together! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MrJobi Posted January 2, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted January 2, 2007 Thanks Bill Yes, he's a good doc! I look foward to "growing" with you .. Seems like 3rd time is the charm for both of us!! JOBI 1417 FUT - Dr. True 1476 FUT - Dr. True 2124 FUT - Dr. True 604 FUE - Dr. True My views are based on my personal experiences, research and objective observations. I am not a doctor. Total - 5621 FU's uncut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 Mrjb, Amen brother. It's nice "growing" with someone....sharing the experience at similar times. Keep us posted on your surgery and I hope you'll take the time to upload photos and share your experience. You already have good density, now you'll make it even better! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 2.5 month update: Pimples pimples and more pimples....did I mention I'm getting a lot of pimples? Scalp pimples are never fun...causes some pain especially when combing, some itching, and certainly some blood...especially when they pop. I have never been in the habit of popping them myself...I typically let nature take its course naturally. But as most of you know, the sign of pimples on the scalp, though irritating is a GOOD thing...beacuse the pimples are actually ingrown hairs that will soon start to grow. I see that a few hairs have sprouted, but nothing to jump up and down about yet. I'll keep you all posted! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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