Regular Member takuma Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 if verteporfin works! it's a Godsend for weak donors and diffuse thinners also and anyone with massive hair loss but not enough donor for full coverage with traditional HT, they will be a able to achieve full coverage ... everyone will be able to become a Norwood zero the way it's supposed to be 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 It's kinda crazy that this is now the most viewed and most replied on thread on the site. Hopefully the "wisdom of the crowd" will take us somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Jonathan Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Fox243 said: The doc is close to ready. I will share it here and people can help make edits: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s3JkF9woMIebkXbpE_UxrjBfNy9i7AuBclDqn9HGrAo/edit?usp=sharing Great work Fox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Square1 Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 12 hours ago, Fox243 said: The doc is close to ready. I will share it here and people can help make edits: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s3JkF9woMIebkXbpE_UxrjBfNy9i7AuBclDqn9HGrAo/edit?usp=sharing Looks awesome! Maybe a slight addition could be made with regards to the sourcing and the pricing of verteporfin? Docs could then have an idea how much a trial would cost them and what they would have to do actually get it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Square1 said: Looks awesome! Maybe a slight addition could be made with regards to the sourcing and the pricing of verteporfin? Docs could then have an idea how much a trial would cost them and what they would have to do actually get it. The issue is that the sourcing and pricing really depends on the region, but I gave an estimate on pricing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted November 7, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted November 7, 2023 18 hours ago, Fox243 said: The doc is close to ready. I will share it here and people can help make edits: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s3JkF9woMIebkXbpE_UxrjBfNy9i7AuBclDqn9HGrAo/edit?usp=sharing I shared this with @Dr.Ratchathorn Panchaprate she has a background in clinical research and has several published peer-reviewed articles. 2 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said: I shared this with @Dr.Ratchathorn Panchaprate she has a background in clinical research and has several published peer-reviewed articles. Amazing, thank you! Will put in the bloxham 3 month update into the doc when he shares it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted November 7, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted November 7, 2023 She’s also studying hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which is an interesting treatment. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member sansi Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 18 hours ago, Fox243 said: The doc is close to ready. I will share it here and people can help make edits: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s3JkF9woMIebkXbpE_UxrjBfNy9i7AuBclDqn9HGrAo/edit?usp=sharing Thank you. Maybe you should add and emphasize also Maschrak and Talbott papers. They provide very good details about Red Duroc Pig and human Xenograft skin trials. Also does vert cost $200 ? Isn't it like $1800 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member sansi Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 This is Talbott's. https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rp239gf7751/Talbott HE Dissertation-augmented.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, sansi said: Thank you. Maybe you should add and emphasize also Maschrak and Talbott papers. They provide very good details about Red Duroc Pig and human Xenograft skin trials. Also does vert cost $200 ? Isn't it like $1800 ? It's $1800 for visudyne, but vert itself is quite cheap: https://www.medchemexpress.com/Verteporfin.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 30 minutes ago, sansi said: Thank you. Maybe you should add and emphasize also Maschrak and Talbott papers. They provide very good details about Red Duroc Pig and human Xenograft skin trials. Also does vert cost $200 ? Isn't it like $1800 ? Yeah, I added it to the links section but honestly it's going to be hard to have someone read a 300 page doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member sansi Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, Fox243 said: It's $1800 for visudyne, but vert itself is quite cheap: https://www.medchemexpress.com/Verteporfin.html Wow Thank you ! Do you think it is as safe and effective as visidyne ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 42 minutes ago, sansi said: Wow Thank you ! Do you think it is as safe and effective as visidyne ? Yes, visudyne is just the name brand, just as Propecia is the name brand for finasteride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Square1 Posted November 7, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Fox243 said: Yes, visudyne is just the name brand, just as Propecia is the name brand for finasteride. Good to hear, I too thought that there was one way to get the stuff: for $2000 from just one German manufacturer. Didn't know there were generics. I am not aware at all in the medical field, but is medchemexpress.com a reliable site? It soundsrather shaky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 8, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Square1 said: Good to hear, I too thought that there was one way to get the stuff: for $2000 from just one German manufacturer. Didn't know there were generics. I am not aware at all in the medical field, but is medchemexpress.com a reliable site? It soundsrather shaky Selleck and medchemexpress are pretty reputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted November 8, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 16 hours ago, Fox243 said: It's $1800 for visudyne, but vert itself is quite cheap: https://www.medchemexpress.com/Verteporfin.html somebody should definitely check if that stuff is legit before its being used. it would be a pity of a bad outcome caused by fake or poor quality verteporfin would discourage further trials 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TV_on_LazerDisk Posted November 8, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 hours ago, mr_peanutbutter said: somebody should definitely check if that stuff is legit before its being used. it would be a pity of a bad outcome caused by fake or poor quality verteporfin would discourage further trials Yeah getting a bottle lab tested might be a good idea If its indian generic pharma though it should be legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 8, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, TV_on_LazerDisk said: Yeah getting a bottle lab tested might be a good idea If its indian generic pharma though it should be legit I just had another doctor in Europe reach out to me about verteporfin. I will keep his name anonymous until he wishes to make it public. However, he also needs help with sourcing. Does anybody else have any ideas about places to source from? ideally we'd source visudyne, but if not, verteporfin from a very trusted place is fine as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted November 8, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Fox243 said: I just had another doctor in Europe reach out to me about verteporfin. I will keep his name anonymous until he wishes to make it public. However, he also needs help with sourcing. Does anybody else have any ideas about places to source from? ideally we'd source visudyne, but if not, verteporfin from a very trusted place is fine as well. he could try to contact cheplapharn directly maybe https://www.cheplapharm.com/en/contact/ but then when its so much more expensive then india then idk - as a doctor he probably wont get problems with european customs if ordering medicine from india? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Nikoni Posted November 8, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fox243 said: I just had another doctor in Europe reach out to me about verteporfin. I will keep his name anonymous until he wishes to make it public. However, he also needs help with sourcing. Does anybody else have any ideas about places to source from? ideally we'd source visudyne, but if not, verteporfin from a very trusted place is fine as well. Does Dr. Barghouthi use visudyne ? Is it easier to source in Jordan ? Edited November 8, 2023 by Nikoni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted November 8, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted November 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, mr_peanutbutter said: he could try to contact cheplapharn directly maybe https://www.cheplapharm.com/en/contact/ but then when its so much more expensive then india then idk - as a doctor he probably wont get problems with european customs if ordering medicine from india? Is this a German company? Will they ship to South America? I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted November 8, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said: Is this a German company? Will they ship to South America? fwiw, Dr. Pittella said he's fine with using generic verteporfin. I had sent his nurse links to medchemexpress and selleck, which have facilities in Brazil. Unfortunately, he doesn't have an international import license, so I'm not sure if he can ship from Germany to South America. 28 minutes ago, Nikoni said: Does Dr. Barghouthi use visudyne ? Is it easier to source in Jordan ? No, he uses verteporfin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mr_peanutbutter Posted November 8, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 30 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said: Is this a German company? Will they ship to South America? yes its a german company and if understand it correctly they have right for visudyne (verteporfin) right now*... however if cheaper generics from india are already available, even better. as long as there are legit and somehow legal (last part is probably important for doctors, i remember getting my finasteride from india once intercepted by customs but i guess as a doctor you have more rights in that regard) * VISUDYNE is a registered trademark of Cheplapharm Arzneimittel GmbH used under license. Bausch + Lomb, Focus on Access and RETISERT are trademarks of Bausch & Lomb Incorporated or its affiliates. © 2023 Bausch & Lomb Incorporated or its affiliates. VID.0310.USA.21“ https://www.bauschretinarx.com/visudyne/ecp/about/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member hair_forever Posted November 8, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted November 8, 2023 This Verteporfin is amazing! But has no doctor tried injecting it into the scalp to see if it can regrow atrophied hair? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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