Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 7, 2019 Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2019 I'm sure most of you have heard about guys freezing their hair follicles, in hopes that some day hair cloning will become a reality. Thoughts? Men Are Freezing Their Hair Follicles For The Future I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Dazed Posted August 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2019 COOL (Pun intended) 1 "Imagination frames events unknown in wild fantastic shapes of hideous ruin, and what it fears, creates." Hannah More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Tbcruz Posted August 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2019 I read somewhere that cloning has happened and it was successful the problem was the direction on the hairs were erratic and they have developed something that is implanted with the follicle that helps with the direction and dissolves with time (gel) they said a year and half but also said it will be super expensive so idk 1st procedure (8-4-17) - Dr. Luís Nader FUE 1551 grafts. https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/49351-1551-grafts-with-luis-nader/?tab=comments#comment-455985 2nd procedure (2-4-20) - Dr. Blake Bloxham FUT 1986 grafts https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/55933-dr-blake-bloxham-fut/?tab=comments#comment-529401 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 7, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Tbcruz said: I read somewhere that cloning has happened and it was successful the problem was the direction on the hairs were erratic and they have developed something that is implanted with the follicle that helps with the direction and dissolves with time (gel) they said a year and half but also said it will be super expensive so idk Where’d you hear this can you post the source? I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mycroft Posted August 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2019 I understand the mindset here, but this seems like a cash grab. Firstly, we don't have anything resembling a concrete timeline on the cloning procedure itself, or even successful testing. Second, how old would a patient have to be before we couldn't find 100 viable follicles from their donor to clone? Something doesn't make sense here. Maybe I'm missing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted August 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2019 58 minutes ago, Mycroft said: Second, how old would a patient have to be before we couldn't find 100 viable follicles from their donor to clone? Something doesn't make sense here. Maybe I'm missing it. there is another thread about it, and I said exactly the same. 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Aftermath Posted August 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2019 Farjo is the director? I wonder if he’ll actually dense pack if he has an unlimited supply of hair🤔😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Aftermath Posted August 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, transplantedphil said: Given he wrote a chapter on dense packing in the Hair Restoration, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics book maybe he will finally nail it "Dense Packing: Surgical Indications and Technical Considerations" 😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 7, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Mycroft said: I understand the mindset here, but this seems like a cash grab. Firstly, we don't have anything resembling a concrete timeline on the cloning procedure itself, or even successful testing. Second, how old would a patient have to be before we couldn't find 100 viable follicles from their donor to clone? Something doesn't make sense here. Maybe I'm missing it. You bring up some valid points. I believe the thinking here is that donor hair is better at a younger age. I don’t know how they came to this conclusion or whether there is any scientific data to back it up. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Aftermath Posted August 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2019 Yeah I’d call it a cash grab, doesn’t make any sense to me either since there’s always going to be at least a few viable hairs for cloning. And surely they’d be better than hair that’s been cryogenically frozen. Plus, the technology isn’t there for cloning yet so you’re paying out the money and giving up hairs from your donor for something that may well never actually exist! Also, since it’s Farjos company, does that mean it’s be him doing the re-implanting of the cloned hairs? Baldness will be eliminated for sure... we’d just have a whole bunch of balding men instead of bald men😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mycroft Posted August 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 7, 2019 Also, why would you have to do it again every few years to maintain the results? Aren't they basically cloning healthy hair follicles and grafting them to your scalp just like traditional hair transplantation? You don't have to get that redone every few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 8, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted August 8, 2019 These are all valuable questions. At this point, I don't think we have enough information. The idea sounds reasonable, but cloning would need to be close by. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Tbcruz Posted August 8, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said: Where’d you hear this can you post the source? https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/07/hair-for-all/594826/ 1 1st procedure (8-4-17) - Dr. Luís Nader FUE 1551 grafts. https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/49351-1551-grafts-with-luis-nader/?tab=comments#comment-455985 2nd procedure (2-4-20) - Dr. Blake Bloxham FUT 1986 grafts https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/55933-dr-blake-bloxham-fut/?tab=comments#comment-529401 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 8, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted August 8, 2019 Hmm that's a good read. I'm gonna research this a little further and report back to you guys. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mycroft Posted August 8, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 8, 2019 Okay, so this actually addresses the idea of why Farjo is saying it would need to be redone periodically, but it also suggests that they've figured out the cause of that flaw and how to avoid it in theory if not execution. Bernstein is actually making it sound like the longevity of it is the reason they haven't started more serious trials which...makes sense. It seems like it would be prohibitively expensive for most people to do a transplant megasession every couple of years, which would mean the ROI for bringing this to market as a temporary fix wouldn't be as good. I'm sure most investors would prefer it NOT be a permanent fix and have people keep paying into it like the pharmaceutical solutions, but there's a certain point where it's too expensive even for that. Most of us probably consider the transplants on market to represent a significant expenditure, so imagine having to throw down that kind of money every couple of years for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Al - Moderator Posted August 8, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 8, 2019 20 hours ago, Mycroft said: Also, why would you have to do it again every few years to maintain the results? Aren't they basically cloning healthy hair follicles and grafting them to your scalp just like traditional hair transplantation? You don't have to get that redone every few years. I would imagine, just like a current transplant, if they are adding hair to where you are losing it, then in a few years you may need to add hair in additional areas of continued loss. Al Forum Moderator (formerly BeHappy) I am a forum moderator for hairrestorationnetwork.com. I am not a Dr. and I do not work for any particular Dr. My opinions are my own and may not reflect the opinions of other moderators or the owner of this site. I am also a hair transplant patient and repair patient. You can view some of my repair journey here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mycroft Posted August 8, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted August 8, 2019 37 minutes ago, BeHappy said: I would imagine, just like a current transplant, if they are adding hair to where you are losing it, then in a few years you may need to add hair in additional areas of continued loss. But again, assuming the hair being taken is true DHT resistant donor hair to begin with, and they're taking a handful of follicles at a time to clone a batch, I cannot imagine a scenario where you're going to run out of hair unless your donor area was compromised and no good to begin with because it was always going to thin out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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