matt3480

I'd love to sympathize.....but man, you are negligent for going to Bosley. It's 2018...even a cursory search online would have been enough to steer you away. Luckily for you, you look to have some good caliber hair and I would assume you have plenty of donor hair left. Thus, you can learn from your mistakes and go to someone reputable who can easily fix you up no matter how your growth is with Bosley. I don't say that to make fun of you.....but I know hair loss is a big issue for us on this forum, I hate to see people tricked or get subpar work done. Sometimes you have to be honest and up front. Bill, I am with you....I am seeing a lot more advertising from them and from other absolutely unqualified surgeons. I am in the Chicago area and I shudder when I hear these commercials because I know people fall for these clowns and their subpar results......yet who would ever know about doctors like Konior unless you did some searching because he absolutely does not advertise anywhere....nor do any of the other second tier surgeons here (who aren't top notch but who are definitely better than Bosley).

There is a common misconception with this. I also was a bit worried about the recipient after my first HT 3 years ago because I simply didn't know what to expect. I see similar concerns on this forum a lot and I believe 99% of the people are actually seeing what is shown in my pic here. The recipient is going to be rough and bumpy for awhile after a HT....there is going to be inflammation, tiny follicles/holes where the grafts were implanted, etc. Especially once the transplanted hair initially sheds...it's going to look and feel raised/rough/shiny/scarred. I attached a pic here about a month after my very first transplant so you can see what I mean. You can see it basically looks like hamburger....lots of pock marks, etc. That was my hairline and the normal skin below it is my forehead. Trust me, THIS IS COMMON. Unless someone takes pics in the exact light...you simply would never pick this skin/orange peel texture up in other peoples' pics....but trust me, it's there. Their skin is ALL the same after a HT...especially in an area that had little to no hair previously. Harrylloyd...you and I both had Dr. K....cobblestoning will NEVER be an issue with him or really any other surgeon these days...it's rare (even on failed HT's). I freaked out about this for about a month and feel like an idiot now for ever even thinking it was something bad....but again, I didn't know what was normal because I could never pick it up in other peoples' pics due to their lighting and angles. After my subsequent HT's, I did not really notice this....but I had a lot more hair in those areas and I feel the trauma was less (due to less grafts being placed the 2nd and 3rd times versus the 1st time). I assure you it went away 110% and my skin in these areas feels and looks perfectly smooth and normal like it did before I ever had surgery (and I have been transplanted into that area 2 more times since). Hair started to fill those areas in well after 4-5 months and I am sure it was undetectable at that point due to the hair and it eventually just healed up overall....remember, skin can take a solid year to 18 months to heal.

Not sure what the point of "honesty" is if some of the stuff he is saying is unconfirmed or downright false? Any person can be real frank with you and every word coming out of their mouth could be a lie.... Bottom line...if he thinks FUE is bad and should not be done then he either isn't skilled at FUE or is way way way way behind the times. Each person is different.....but I am damn glad every day I didn't opt for FUT and don't have a scar at the back of my head. I have had over 5,000 grafts taken and you cannot tell at all....I wear my hair as short as I want, too, in the donor. Not sure how a surgeon can knock that

Agreed, extremely poor marketing on Feller’s part.....and not so much even for the lack of professionalism but rather the blatant disregard of current trends in FUE. I’ve had 5,000 or so grafts removed via FUE at this point and you just simply can’t tell in the donor....so it just makes Feller seem like an absolute nut job when I read that stuff. Jury is still out on Dr. Bloxham.....and I think Dr. Nadimi is head and shoulders the best younger surgeon right now. Looking at who each studied under says a lot, too. I am hoping Dr. Bloxham is just getting some experience from Feller and then going out on his own because I don’t believe being associated with Feller is ultimately going to be good for his reputation.

I feel there is a lot of confusion sometime based on general guidelines regarding the whole “you should be at this percentage at this many months, etc.” I have had a few HT’s and I felt that all my hair had sprouted by 5 months post op. I think you had that initial blast of density early as opposed to others who might get it a month or two later at 4-5 months. I wouldn’t be expecting another explosion of growth by any means. The hair should grow longer which will give it more of an illusion of density and may also mature into a coarser hair overall if you have that type of native hair. I have very fine hair so I actually lost a small bit of density once my hair matured because it started out coarser than my native hair initially. Unless it’s the crown, you really are going to have 95 percent of your hair sprouting at 6 months.

I think behind the hairline the more important numbers are number of hairs transplanted and not necessarily how many grafts. You might have 50 cm2 grafts in the hairline but with all 1 and 2 hair grafts this might only amount to 75 hairs per cm2. Behind that, you might only have 30 cm2 transplanted but with 2s, 3s, and 4s you might still have 75-100 hairs per cm2. In areas that have no hair, you are going to need 2 transplants to likely get the density you want. Again, as you mentioned, this can differ based on your quality of hair (thickness, curl, etc.).

I have actually experimented a lot with this....shaving it down and seeing how it looks at different lengths. If you are just starting to lose your hair...shaving it down will make it less noticeable (I don't mean shaving it to the bone but rather shaving it to 1/4 inch long). That being said, if you are a diffuse thinner...it definitely is going to make it look worse in most case if you shave it that low. I find there is a sweet spot....for me it's about 1.5 inches or so. I get good layering at that length. It's worth a try, though, if you have never done it....if nothing else, to see what areas you are really thin in.

Yep, blow dryer on low setting/cold setting is what I use..... No more heat for me....I also don't wash my hair with hot water anymore for the same reason (use lukewarm).

Looks good! Congrats!

Meh.....not much hardcore evidence out there that it does anything. I asked Dr. Konior about this and he basically said the same.....there really isn't any scientific evidence saying it does much. I think most of the success stories are anecdotal......for every few people I've seen who said it worked for them, I see a couple others who said their hair got worse. Not worth the risk or cash for me.

I think the ship has sailed on this..... Even if he became a recommended surgeon here again, no one would actually consider him if they did even a light search of posts here. Let's be honest....these doctors in India and Turkey and countries like that are always going to have clients come to them due to the pricing and proximity (meaning you rarely see someone from India leave the country to get a HT....so even the trashy surgeons will always have clients). However, to the person who actually has the funds and smarts to not narrow their search to a geographical area....pretty much no one is going to consider a doctor in either of these countries. I have little to no sympathy for those who have gone to these surgeons in the last couple years (after all of this has been posted) and then complain their results sucked. These surgeons give the entire HT community a bad name/stigma and contribute to many people being afraid to get a HT.

Gee, thanks for your opinion, Doctor (er, I mean poster who hasn’t even had a HT). :rolleyes:

And here dumbass....welcome to 2018.

LMFAO, this guy. You are quoting a fucking study from TWENTY YEARS AGO to try to sit here and say who men/women find attractive or unattractive. You probably bring this stuff up on dates. Dude, you are like 24 years old, an arrogant prick (for what reason I don't know as you likely are broke), and just seem like a miserable dipshit in general. What the guys on this forum are trying to say is that there are many facets to being desirable. Hair alone is not going to solve your issue. Lots of people who are bald have real confidence. It's not "false confidence" just because they are bald. Most guys don't give 2 fucks about being bald, shave it, and don't think about it again. That's real confidence. Go ask girls who they would rather date (and marry). Balding man with $$$$.....versus no balding guy with no $$$$? And here dumbass....welcome to 2018. http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/09/14/bald-attractive-dominant-study/

Lot of stupid stereotypes here. Girls pick up on confidence immediately.....bald or not. Girls also pick up on insecurity regardless of whether you have a Brad Pitt hairline. Do most people look better with hair? Sure. However, does the fact those people have hair automatically make them attractive? Um, no. I see lots of ugly ass guys every day with no balding. Girls like confidence, financial stability (and there are different degrees of this), style (dress well), personality, and fitness. No, that doesn't mean roided up. The Vin Diesel look is such a dated example, too. Vin Diesel has been in 1 good movie ever.....and at the time was one of the few bald and fit guys you saw. You see them everywhere now. I don't think the whole "Vin Diesel" look is a compliment anymore.

Way to take this thread way off topic, numbnuts.

Does seem like a lot of grafts considering it doesn't appear his hairline was lowered, at all.

Here is the good news.....you are going to have a year wait for Dr. Konior anyways. Take that year and try Rogaine/Fin and hopefully stabilize that hair loss. Then have Konior take 1,500 grafts....and maybe even less if you respond well. I think that's the best course of action. You have time to wait.....you are in a good position but make the right choice. You are in Illinois I presume....this isn't even a hard choice for the surgeon. As for dosage.....studies have shown 0.50mg per day is pretty much as effective as 1mg. I would probably start on 0.50mg/day and see how you respond to it and go from there. I don't feel most people need to start at 1mg/day.

I guess I'm not clear on what you mean, either. The ugly duckling stage is normally when you shed the transplanted hair and are waiting for it to grow. That really won't change FUE or FUT. I just had my FUE third surgery February 6. My first was in March 2015.....2,075 grafts. Yeah, that took longer I think because I had no hair where Dr. Konior transplanted into...so obviously I was red/pink in that area until the hair grew in to cover that....so that was maybe solid 5 months that I wasn't looking great. My second was in December 2015....I had him go back in and hit me with more density in the same area. I felt I was only pink for literally a few weeks....and I already had hair there, so even when the transplanted hair fell out....it didn't really look bad. I had a final touchup February 6 (last month) in the same area (I have extremely fine hair and wanted perfection). I look fine already....no pinkness. It really depends on how much hair you have in the area. I heal extremely fast from FUE....I mean the donor looks mint now and really it has for 2 weeks now. So yeah, my head had to be shaved down and that's the only thing that isn't normal about me right now (since I always wear it grown out) but in terms of pain or looking weird....that really lasted maybe 2 weeks. I am so glad I never got FUT because you really have to baby that donor scar it seems. Fue....piece of cake with the right surgeon. Since you are just going for a touch-up in an area that already has hair presumably....you likely will notice pretty much nothing past a month tops (with the exception of the shaved head).

Easy, Konior. If you need 5,000 grafts then that is going to be a larger donor incision...and Konior is head and shoulders ahead of anyone when it comes to making donor scars pretty much invisible.

Yep, you are fine.....you don't want those scabs sitting on there for months....I would assume that would be a cleanliness issue which could affect growth. You didn't want that stuff turning into irritation, rash, infection, etc.

Dr. Gabel is well regarded on this forum and has plenty of cases/pics to prove it....especially since this was posted in 2014. After reading through that thread....to be honest, that person had no real business getting a HT. He said his father and grandfather were completely bald by 30? I've never heard of that. That's serious physiology/genetic issues there.... Then he said his hair was thick and perfect and he didn't start losing it until he moved....and he theorized it might have been the water. Something was up with this guy health-wise. I would not hesitate to use Dr. Gabel. When a patient gets almost no growth, either the surgeon plain didn't know what he was doing (and that's obviously not the case here since we've seen 100 cases probably where Gabel's work was excellent) or, more than likely, the patient had physiology/genetic issues.

No one has ever heard of this guy. A lot is on you for not researching before going to him.

Ok? So you had a transplant just two months ago (with someone no one has heard of) but are here to apparently give out good advice? What value is that?

LMFAO @ JohnRosh....right, you just happened to appear back here FIVE YEARS from your last post to stick up for this surgeon? Who is the bigger hack? The surgeon or JohnRosh (probably the same person).