400 grafts by Dr. Vikram Jayaprakash. Poor results?

[Britanium]

19 minutes ago, James said:

Guess it's better that way, but he made me pay $4500 AUD for it 😂

OMG 😳 how long was you there for ? 

[James]

1 minute ago, JohnAC71 said:

OMG 😳 how long was you there for ? 

Started at 9:30 and finished around 1 if I remember correctly

[Britanium]

So 11.25 per graft ? 😬

[James]

Just now, JohnAC71 said:

So 11.25 per graft ? 😬

There was a theatre fee included in that but yeah yikes

[Melvin- Admin]

2 hours ago, James said:

Any places you might recommend? 

Based on proximity Eugenix would be the top choice 

[Gokuhairline]

so the 2 dudes who make educational videos on youtube are scammers ?

[James]

1 minute ago, Gokuhairline said:

so the 2 dudes who make educational videos on youtube are scammers ?

I went to them because everyone loves their videos so much and they happened to also be in my city.

[digi23]

10 hours ago, Gokuhairline said:

so the 2 dudes who make educational videos on youtube are scammers ?

Basically they suck at doing hair transplants yes but make good educational videos which is popular. So I guess they can charge alot because they had success on youtube.

Edited October 10, 2021 by digi23

[Curious25]

If you’ve never left your country before, and it’s somewhat of a daunting prospect for you . . from a psychological standpoint I’d probably advise you to stick to hasson and wong in Canada over Eugenix, as India, as fantastic and beautiful a country it is, can be quite the culture shock for even the most seasoned of western travellers. 

Your hair situation will be an easy fix in the right surgeons hands, and if there are multi’s in your immediate hairline, they can be punched out and re-implanted further behind, if the Dr is unable to soften your hairline just by placing singles around them. 
 

You shouldn’t have been taken on for surgery in the first place IMO, too young and too minor a hair loss. 
 

 

[JDEE0]

1 hour ago, Gokuhairline said:

so the 2 dudes who make educational videos on youtube are scammers ?

I wouldn't call them scammers, nor terrible surgeons like you'd find in some hair mill somewhere or anything. You just have to remember that they're doctors who additionally specialise in hair restoration, and as such, they are more than equipped to make (in my opinion fairly rudimentary and basic level) videos that cover related topics such as proven preventative medication, the mechanisms behind male pattern hair-loss, alternative/new medical therapies, and so on. 

All of this, however, means squat in relation to their credentials in performing actual hair transplantation surgery. There are literally lower double digit figure HT surgeons/clinics on this planet who are truly equipped to do the job (at least in my opinion). Before they started their channel on YouTube, no one knew who they were, they had no laurels or long standing reputation, and using your medical knowledge to post informative videos online doesn't suddenly change this.

At the end of the day, they are just mediocre surgeons that aren't very good.

Edited October 10, 2021 by JDEE0

[Gatsby]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gp-suspended-for-lying-about-qualifications/ZCLOSTJBKIAP7LEKMVUQET3N7I/

 

[Gatsby]

1 hour ago, JDEE0 said:

I wouldn't call them scammers, nor terrible surgeons like you'd find in some hair mill somewhere or anything. You just have to remember that they're doctors who additionally specialise in hair restoration, and as such, they are more than equipped to make (in my opinion fairly rudimentary and basic level) videos that cover related topics such as proven preventative medication, the mechanisms behind male pattern hair-loss, alternative/new medical therapies, and so on. 

All of this, however, means squat in relation to their credentials in performing actual hair transplantation surgery. There are literally lower double digit figure HT surgeons/clinics on this planet who are truly equipped to do the job (at least in my opinion). Before they started their channel on YouTube, no one knew who they were, they had no laurels or long standing reputation, and using your medical knowledge to post informative videos online doesn't suddenly change this.

At the end of the day, they are just mediocre surgeons that aren't very good.

They are worse than that. Dr Jayaprakash is a convicted fraudster. Knudsen is guilty by association. I've been stating this for years.

[JDEE0]

13 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

They are worse than that. Dr Jayaprakash is a convicted fraudster. Knudsen is guilty by association. I've been stating this for years.

Yeah, I've seen the articles about him a while back. Whilst I don't inherently disagree with your statement as it is factually correct, I just don't see his fraudulent claims of certain qualifications (just had another look as I couldn't remember exactly what it was he did) as equalling him being a scam HT surgeon like you find in some cheap hair-mill that absolutely decimates donor areas at will without second thought for the patients quality of life.

My only point was, whilst clearly not the most moral doctor and not someone I would ever entrust based off that alone, he's just a very underwhelming HT surgeon more than anything else and I think OP's result is more a case of this lack of skill than some sort of intentional scam/blatant disregard for the patients aspirations and life. But, I suppose we can amend underwhelming surgeon to fraudulent underwhelming surgeon haha, fine by me. 

Edited October 10, 2021 by JDEE0

[James]

Any ideas of what I should say to this guy when I see him next lmao. Don't want to start conflict with him but also don't want him thinking I'm happy with this shit haha.

[JDEE0]

Just now, James said:

Any ideas of what I should say to this guy when I see him next lmao. Don't want to start conflict with him but also don't want him thinking I'm happy with this shit haha.

To be honest mate, there's really f all you can say or do regardless to change your situation (it's not as if you want him to offer a touch up free of cost or something and as such need to maintain a relationship) and I doubt you'll be getting a refund, so say whatever you want/feel you need to. 

If it was me, I would walk into his office with my newfound knowledge of how poorly planned this was and let him know I'm not happy about it at all, ask him to justify his strange claims around things like I have no single grafts, and most importantly ask why he thought the amount of grafts he placed would produce a good result. Then I'd tell him I want some sort of refund even though I know I'm not going to get it, and that would be that.

If you can't be arsed with all that, alternatively just don't see him again, cut your losses and plan for the next one which will be done right this time around. 

[Britanium]

2 minutes ago, JDEE0 said:

To be honest mate, there's really f all you can say or do regardless to change your situation (it's not as if you want him to offer a touch up free of cost or something and as such need to maintain a relationship) and I doubt you'll be getting a refund, so say whatever you want/feel you need to. 

If it was me, I would walk into his office with my newfound knowledge of how poorly planned this was and let him know I'm not happy about it at all, ask him to justify his strange claims around things like I have no single grafts, and most importantly ask why he thought the amount of grafts he placed would produce a good result. Then I'd tell him I want some sort of refund even though I know I'm not going to get it, and that would be that.

If you can't be arsed with all that, alternatively just don't see him again, cut your losses and plan for the next one which will be done right this time around. 

This… sometimes they will get in contact first if they happen to learn of this thread…. 

[Gatsby]

@James you will never see him again. I would go in there and inform him how pissed you are about all the doubles. etc in the hairline and that you want a refund. He needs feed back from his patients and tell him that his work his doing him no favors on hair transplant forums. You are not the first and you (quite sadly) won't be his last! However in many ways you are lucky. Imagine if he had have used up 2.5-3K of your precious grafts? Your hairline can be repaired and it is probably the most common repair performed. I would demand a full refund because you are now up for the cost of the repair!

[Gatsby]

29 minutes ago, JDEE0 said:

Yeah, I've seen the articles about him a while back. Whilst I don't inherently disagree with your statement as it is factually correct, I just don't see his fraudulent claims of certain qualifications (just had another look as I couldn't remember exactly what it was he did) as equalling him being a scam HT surgeon like you find in some cheap hair-mill that absolutely decimates donor areas at will without second thought for the patients quality of life.

My only point was, whilst clearly not the most moral doctor and not someone I would ever entrust based off that alone, he's just a very underwhelming HT surgeon more than anything else and I think OP's result is more a case of this lack of skill than some sort of intentional scam/blatant disregard for the patients aspirations and life. But, I suppose we can amend underwhelming surgeon to fraudulent underwhelming surgeon haha, fine by me. 

@JDEE0 he is actually worse than a back yard Turkish hair mill. The reason being because compared to this he above all people knows better!! He has attended international conferences (despite his fraudulent past). He cannot continue to lie to his first time young patients about his results. If he was completely ignorant then that would give him some glimmer of improving. For years he has had no intention of improving through choice, lack of skills in his profession but most likely both! I've met the man.

[Gasthoerer]

As I also had such a small surgery, I allow myself to address the elephant in the room: 

- Your hairline was developing in a perfect mature and male hairline and your hair looked great

- Your goal should have been to stop the loss by medication and wait

- The biggest problem IMO with your new hairline is not (!) density, wrong angels or multies in the hairline - the problem is, that it is a female type hairline. This is not an easy fix as other say IMO. I think that grafts have to be re-distributed or a complete new hairline below your current hairline has to be built, which I think is not adequate given the position of your hairline. There are several repairs in here where grafts hat to be relocated. 

P.S. Price/graft cannot be assessed in a normal way at such a small surgery. There are a lot of one-offs which raise the price and therefore price/graft goes up. 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2021 by Gasthoerer

[Britanium]

1 minute ago, Gatsby said:

@JDEE0 he is actually worse than a back yard Turkish hair mill. The reason being because compared to this he above all people knows better!! He has attended international conferences (despite his fraudulent past). He cannot continue to lie to his first time young patients about his results. If he was completely ignorant then that would give him some glimmer of improving. For years he has had no intention of improving through choice, lack of skills in his profession but most likely both! I've met the man.

It’s really sad that such a large country such as Australia doesn’t have any good options. Even worse than the Uk, and we are only a small country 😬

[Britanium]

@GasthoererLove a good typo/autocorrect…. Assessed ? Or assed ? 😉

[James]

4 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said:

As I also had such a small surgery, I allow myself to address the elephant in the room: 

- Your hairline was developing in a perfect mature and male hairline and your hair looked great

- Your goal should have been to stop the loss by medication and wait

- The biggest problem IMO with your new hairline is not (!) density, wrong angels or multies in the hairline - the problem is, that it is a female type hairline. This is not an easy fix as other say IMO. I think that grafts have to be re-distributed or a complete new hairline below your current hairline has to be built, which I think is not adequate given the position of your hairline. There are several repairs in here where grafts hat to be relocated. 

P.S. Price/graft cannot be assed at such a small surgery. There are a lot of one-offs which raise the price and therefore price/graft goes up. 

 

 

Probably a better show of what I was dealing with before surgery. Definitely not a "maturing hairline"

[Gasthoerer]

3 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

@GasthoererLove a good typo/autocorrect…. Assessed ? Or assed ? 😉

LOL...if you get only 400 grafts you are assed says my autocorrection

[Gasthoerer]

3 minutes ago, James said:

Probably a better show of what I was dealing with before surgery. Definitely not a "maturing hairline"

I was looking at you initial pics! On this particular pic it looks (! not saying you do !) like you try to make it look worse, by parting the hair in the affected area. 

Anyway, I am still holding on to my assessment that the main issue is the design. The other issues are critical as well, but easier to fix. 

[JDEE0]

20 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said:

As I also had such a small surgery, I allow myself to address the elephant in the room: 

- Your hairline was developing in a perfect mature and male hairline and your hair looked great

- Your goal should have been to stop the loss by medication and wait

- The biggest problem IMO with your new hairline is not (!) density, wrong angels or multies in the hairline - the problem is, that it is a female type hairline. This is not an easy fix as other say IMO. I think that grafts have to be re-distributed or a complete new hairline below your current hairline has to be built, which I think is not adequate given the position of your hairline. There are several repairs in here where grafts hat to be relocated. 

P.S. Price/graft cannot be assessed in a normal way at such a small surgery. There are a lot of one-offs which raise the price and therefore price/graft goes up. 

 

 

I'd have to disagree that it was a female hairline design, although I do get what you mean.

If you look at the implantation pattern, it doesn't really curve inversely into the forehead and only slopes down in what could be argued is the classic female fashion right where it meets into the temple points in what was an attempt to connect the hairline with the temple points I assume. I see it as more of a straight across design/style that follows his original juvenile hairline which is a problem in and of itself as it's just too straight and low. But I generally agree it should have been curved upwards and it is instead slightly the opposite (and wrong) way.

Judging by his newly posted pic as well, I would argue it is definitely classic sort of recession rather than a maturing of the hairline, although I do agree that the parting in the pic makes it seem worse. Regardless, there are significant gaps in the post op pics of the implantation that make it clear to me that the density isn't adequate. 

Edited October 10, 2021 by JDEE0