Regular Member Shamrock Posted June 3, 2009 Regular Member Share Posted June 3, 2009 Had 3888 grafts with Dr Rahal on my frontal 1/3. The doctor mentioned I had very good donor density (above 100cm2) and laxity. I previously had 100-200 minigrafts in my hairline 13 years ago. The haircount was: singles - 832 doubles - 1735 triples - 1283 quads - 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Ron J Posted June 3, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2009 Holy jabenero jalepenos ---that's a TON of grafts ! Looks as though your going to have TRUE density when all is said & done. congrats. Delicately helping those fragile souls who suffer from hair loss, w/motherly nourishment & care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aska Posted June 3, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2009 Very agressive HT. Gonna be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Shamrock Posted June 3, 2009 Author Regular Member Share Posted June 3, 2009 Yea I was a bit shocked when Dr Rahal told me the final numbers. In the preop and online consultations he aimed for around 3000. He also told me the scar from my previously minigraft job back in 1996 was too high and he couldnt remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aska Posted June 3, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2009 You gonna be with 2 scars now?? Can you post a picture of your old scar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Shamrock, Unfortunately, sometimes previous scars are placed too low or too high and they can't be safely harvested. Thus, sometimes it's best to leave them where they are and take hair from where it's optimal. It looks like you're going ot have an incredible result. Are you on Propecia to help against future loss? Best wishes, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hdude46 Posted June 3, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2009 almost 4000 graphs for the front third?! It will look good but you better hope your loss is stable and that you dont have too much further loss. Good luck tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member El Nino Posted June 3, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2009 Wow, that's gonna look great. You'll have plenty of grafts in reserve too with your donor density. Congrats. My Hair Loss Website - Two HTs with Dr. Rahal and SMP at HIS Hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Eman Posted June 3, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 3, 2009 Lots 'o grafts. You are going to have some awesome density when this grows out. Congrats! My initial HT thread: done and done!! Check it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member dakota3 Posted June 4, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 4, 2009 4000 grafts in that small an area is very aggressive. He surely will have a thick full mane when all is said and done. Shamrock, If you dont mind me asking... How old are you? Are you on med's to slow down the proccess of continual hairloss?, and did Dr. Rahal happen to mention how much donar you possibly have left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Mane Attraction Posted June 4, 2009 Regular Member Share Posted June 4, 2009 Wow, is there such a thing as "graft envy"? Because if so, I think I have it right now! Shamrock, in 8 months time, your head's going to have more hair on it than my Great Aunt Ursula's chin (i.e. a lot!) Looking forward to seeing your results grow out. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Rahal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Shamrock Posted June 4, 2009 Author Regular Member Share Posted June 4, 2009 Thanks for the comments everyone. Like I said I was surprised by the final number but Dr Rahal reassured me that with the high density in my donor area, I have a lot left for further loss if needed. I dont remember for sure, but when he was going over the specifics and post op instructions, I think told me donor density was around 140cm2. Is that even possible?? This was after 7 hours in the chair though and I cant remember everything, so I can check with Adrian and see if he can get me the exact number. During preop went went over family history of baldness, hairline design, and finally the plan was laid out for 60-65% in the the hairline and then going to 50% behind the hairline. I am 32 and starting propecia and rogaine foam next week per Dr instructions. I had a great experience there, his techs were very accommodating and skilled. Dr Rahal even gave me and my girlfriend dinner to take back to the hotel. Eman and Mane, thanks for the encouragement before my surgery. I ended up leaving the day after surgery and just wore the blue surgical cap. I did get a few stares in the airports, but I was never was asked to remove it. Just one guy in Ottawa airport security asked me if I was a doctor, haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aska Posted June 4, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 4, 2009 140cm2?????? REALLY? That's a lot of hair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Shamrock Posted June 4, 2009 Author Regular Member Share Posted June 4, 2009 I was close, I just talked with Adrian and he said the donor density based on the strip was approximately 150 grafts per cm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Shamrock, 150 FU/cm2 donor density is the highest I've ever seen. I must say however, according to your pictures, your donor density does not appear that thick, maybe more like 70 FU/cm2. Maybe Adrian can confirm this for us and maybe even show us some photos of the shaved strip pre or post harvest? Best wishes, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahal Hair Transplant Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Bill, Here are the facts we have from the surgery. The donor strip measured 24.3 cm after removal (little bigger pre removal). the graft count we got was 3888 with the following breakdown of singles, 2's and 3's and 4's. 1's - 832 2's - 1735 3's - 1283 4's - 38 This puts his donor density at slightly higher than 150grafts/cm based on actual measurement and not guess work. In general, we have seen patients with densities as low at 65 grafts/cm and ranging up to higher than 150 grafts/cm. In fact we have seen many other patients with such a high density (they don't always make it to the forum). They are rare but do exist and if one does enough surgeries the odds are we will see more. (3888 divided by 24.3 puts him at 160 grafts per cm2) To the other posters, just to clarify, the plan for shamrock was to graft about 3000 grafts not 3888. Our intent was not to be too aggressive but we do not throw any grafts away and wanted to utilize the total amount harvested. Rahal Hair Transplant Institute - Answers to questions, posts or any comments from this account should not be taken or construed as medical advice. All comments are the personal opinions of the poster. Dr. Rahal is a member of the Coalition of Independent of Hair Restoration Physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Predator Posted June 14, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 14, 2009 http://www.hairtransplantnetwo...opyID=2174&WebID=920 I'm really surprised by density. I had 45cm2 to fill, which works out at an average recipient density of 65Fu/cm2 with 2900 grafts Our hair loss seems to be similar Bearing in mind Dr Rahal planned with 3000 for but could harvest 3800, you can count yourself a lucky guy I'd be very interested to follow your progress, hope you update your blog My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Rahal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Adrian, Now you have me really confused. How is that you're getting the hair density of this patient without using the width measurement of the strrip in addition to the length? Density is not determined by the number of grafts divided by the length of the strip. It's determined by the number of grafts divided by the length, then divided by the width. For instance - if the width of the strip was 2.0 CM, density would be 3888 grafts / 24.3cm (length) / 2cm (width) which would be 80 FU/cm2 - which is much more realistic. The only way the donor density is 160 FU/cm2 is if the width of the strip was 1cm. I'm not saying this is impossible. I'm just looking for clarification on your math. Best wishes, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahal Hair Transplant Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 With all due respect Bill 24.3 cm is the actual surface area. Length and width of the strip was already factored into this measurement Rahal Hair Transplant Institute - Answers to questions, posts or any comments from this account should not be taken or construed as medical advice. All comments are the personal opinions of the poster. Dr. Rahal is a member of the Coalition of Independent of Hair Restoration Physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TC17 Posted June 15, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 15, 2009 Adrian, So was the length 24.3 and the width 1, or was it some other combination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member phxind Posted June 15, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 15, 2009 Adrian, do you mean 24.3 cm2 (cm squared)? Area is measured in cm^2 and not cm. ------------------------------------------------------------ My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Adrian, You confused me because you didn't say 24.3cm2. I assumed therefore that you were referring to only the length - since clearly it couldn't pertain to the width. Thanks for the clarification - that makes more sense. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member JohnS Posted June 21, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 21, 2009 Looking forward to see the end results, with that many grafts it is bound to be spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member new2thissite Posted June 21, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted June 21, 2009 Congratulations. Look forward to seeing your updates. Dr. Rahal does great work. My Hair Loss Weblog - Hair Transplant with Dr. Bernstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member hrvoje14 Posted October 28, 2009 Regular Member Share Posted October 28, 2009 why are we all so obsessed with graft counts and number of fu/cm2? wouldn't it be better and easier to simply compare the area of the removed strip - i.e. 24.3 cm2, with the area that needed to be covered as discussed/drawn in pre-op consultation? not sure what that is in this case, but Shamrock you must have it, or ask Adrian to give it to you... let's say it's 40 cm2 or 45 cm2 (similar to Predator)... so, grafts/donor density aside, you had 24.3 cm2 worth of donor hair spread over 40 cm2, which gives you 61% coverage overall at your normal/donor density, whatever that may be... you probably got more than that in the hairline and a little less in the back, but overall it sounds very good to me, your result should be great... isn't that a better way of looking at things? i wish more people, when posting results, would include the measurements of the strip removed and the area that needs to be covered, especially since you get those things from your doctor anyway... and not focus obsessively on grafts received and fu/cm2 in donor/recepient... however, as for grafts received and fu/cm2 in donor/recepient in Shamrock's case... 3888 grafts in an area of about 40 cm2 - that's over 97 fu/cm2!!! surely, that cannot be, can it??? or is Shamrock's recepient area much larger than it seems? My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Rahal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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