Ron J

"So if your tax dollars are going to be spent (which they will regardless of which party is in power)"... the question isn't *if* tax dollars will be spent; the question IS how much and on what. Obama has spent more than every other president in history COMBINED! And managed to do so all in his first year in office. And btw, the government is trying to usurp authority to force people to buy HC; they don't have the authority to do such a thing, and don't give me the disanalogy of auto insurance because the difference is YOU can hurt/kill someone ELSE in a car. I know, the constitution is a horrible document for liberals such as yourself, eh? (yawns). This entitlement attitude has got to end if you ask me. No one is BORN w/the right to HC. Individuals have sacrificed their own: blood, sweat, tears, and money to go to medical school and yet you think your BORN w/the "right" to the fruits of their labor (?)...Can you explain that to me? And this makes you a gooOoOoOod 21st century Democrat? Since you can "DEFINITELY" argue that we'd be in an economic DEPRESSION if it wasn't for Obama's magical mystery stimulus packages, why don't you explain this causality to a layman like myself, and so many others, yes? In short time, you've proved yourself to be emotionally lined against the free market, the American workforce, and the military. With a few more years of reading Code Pink newsletters you MIGHT be able to INTELLECTUALLY align yourself against America and we can actually have a debate.

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Can you provide one quote where I have ever played the "victim card"? It's funny, it was I who said *you* do this, now your saying I do it? It's like some child w/the "I'm rubber your glue" phrase lol. What have I *ever* said/intimated I was a victim of? Do you even know what it means to victimize oneself? I'm extremely happy w/my ht results so far and I've even shared my progress w/you Lost. If you'd like to see my latest progress PM me and I'll ship it to you. You always make radical statements, then when get asked for evidence you deflect. I won't expect you to back any of this up.

Personally attacking me all the while parading yourself up like some wise sage and telling others not to make attacks; typical TC. This coming from someone who routinely props up third world hacks while knocking THE best in the business and Coalition docs, some 'sound points' you've made pal. Bill, I think you should lock it so TC - or anyone else- can't continue personal attacks while pompously lecturing us on morality.

LOL whattttt!?!?!?!? where did ANYONE say he has no right to voice his opinion? I guess your *playing* lawyer and mod again, eh? Parsing words and equivocating, changing the actual substance of the argument. In fact, I explicitly said the precise opposite of this: "... Essentially, that's precisely the difference between your ideology and mine: I don't dictate, demand, and FORCE that my beliefs be put into practice by other people, I merely STATE mine in opposition; and in my world view I have room for you to have an opposing world view ". I said this in response to notjustyet saying he wished he could "floor me". TC, you just can't help yourself play this victim game for those who are assaulting others, and at one and the same time act as though your some wise scholar tending to your herd playing moderator on the forum. Two other people chimed in on the last thread you did this on, because it was just as repulsing to them, yet you never replied to the thread and are yet doing it again... Give! It! A! Rest! PS my post on this thread wasn't edited because I never personally attacked anyone.

Ok, where are all of the personal attacks apart from notjustyet saying he wants to "floor me" if he sees me in person? TC, this isn't a "personal attack" but, you always swoop in and act as though your the moderator, and even worse yet, you take the tone of some imperious school teacher before young students. "what everyone must realize" lol...

You at one and the same time want to say that Feller could essentially still have a nice life if he charged you less for FUE - AND - mock the Karl Marx refference w/respect to your ideology? -What does it matter at ALL how nice of a life Feller could still have if he charged less? -Who are you to determine how much someone should charge for their skills and make as a living? -If you can get *just* as good results from someone else who charges less, than simply go to them. -If feller is indeed one of a select few in the world who can produce high quality FUE, then he is effectively a rare commodity amidst a a large population of men desiring the procedure; so supply and demand dictates and thus he's still in business. If he was charging such exorbitant, inflated prices, then he'd go out of business. And yes, I would tell you all of this in person; but I wouldn't be so inclined to engage in physical violence as you, merely because we hold conflicting ideologies w/respect to your "I'd floor you pretty quick" comment. Essentially, that's precisely the difference between your ideology and mine: I don't dictate, demand, and FORCE that my beliefs be put into practice by other people, I merely STATE mine in opposition; and in my world view I have room for you to have an opposing world view

LOL typical transparent liberal, I love it! You view the world in terms of a dichotomy of two camps: Victims & Oppressors, and of COURSE you always fall into the former of the two categories. Poor you! You just want a cheap/free ht from THE best in the world, but all of the hard working people who have invested their time, money, sweat and tears ACTUALLY have the audacity to charge you a free market value price! And again, your such a poor victim, you don't even understand the words expressed to you; perhaps we should feel guilty about that too? Grow up and enter the real world. Under a system *you* would want, we would have never had the innovation or foresight to pass plugs and into mega sessions and fue, because there would be absolutely no fruits to benefit the cost of the investment and creativity, so why bother with the investment? Your ideology absolutely STIFLES competition, and thus innovation, because no one is paid for the fruits of their labors; instead, EVERYONE is entitled. "From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs"- - - KARL MARX what a lovely, productive system THAT created!

" From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"- - Karl Marx LoOOoooooOOL,a "line of guys who don't understand dollar/value", LOL really? I guess your the first in line pal, because apparently you don't realize: *all* dr.'s paid hundreds of thousands of dollars of their *own* money for their education, not to mention years of hard work, blood, sweat and tears to acquire this amazing skill to go into the medical profession, whether it be saving lives or plastic surgery, *they* made their own individual investment/sacrifice; *they* paid their dues & yet it's people like you w/your ENTITLEMENT attitude that act as though YOUR born w/a *right* to the FRUITS of their labor! Honestly, you make me sick. What do you do for a living? What's your acquired skill? Should *we* be ENTITLED to the fruits of your labor at a CHEAP price? Whatever it is you do -or more than likely don't do, I doubt you labored and invested as much as any dr. has, and I doubt the service or commodity you provide is as rare and valuable as that of a dr.; let alone an actually SKILLED hair transplant surgeon in a field of quacks and butchers. You want a "cheap" and "affordable" ht? Then go to a hack, and get what you pay for. Sorry pal, you weren't BORN w/ a *right* to the fruit of other peoples' hard labor. Socialism on the rise! Fu$King lovely! "the only problem w/socialism is, eventually you run out of OTHER peoples' money"...

ht's involve risks, we all know that; but so do most of our daily activities - i.e. driving on the freeway, plane flights, etc. - the point is, you weigh the risks & a cost/benefit analysis and make your decision. Given these odds, 11% of men who are balding reach a NW7, I like my chances and the benefit far outweighs the (potential) costs of something that will more than likely never happen. If your not willing to take that risk, then you simply probably shouldn't get a ht; because if you want to use a NW7 template for all men, than just as Hdude46 said you should probably just shave your head, because the 'density/coverage' or lack thereof, will be completely undesirable to most. Simply look at any NW7 guys who have had a ht and ask yourself if you'd be happy w/that "look". If everyone used a NW7 as a template, than I bet 80%+ of the hts on this forum couldn't be achieved w/respect to the total #'s of grafts used and the location in which they were distributed. You'd end up w/such a thin, gimp, hairline that you couldn't style it and would probably rather shave. My two cents anyways.

TC, *still* waiting for a response; will I get one? doubt it. But would love to hear how your no-name, *hack* dr.'s have achieved the *same* results as H&W w/exponentially less grafts (?) H&W "over-use" grafts, and so does Feller, & Rahal; *but* your thirld world hacks don't..so, where are YOUR pics/evidencs to back it up?... (yawns). pics, *please*?...oh, I forgot, your all talk no substance. keep touting your view w/absolutely ZERO evidnence/support to substantiate it. just lovely. this is tantamount to ht dr. communism: all *should* (moral imperative) receive equall pay and praise irrespective of their individual value... you disagree TC? then post your results from *their* work which transends HW, Rahal, & Feller w/substantively fewer grafts...crap drs want cheap procedures for free (can't)...- enter ad hominum attacks vs. me - ...

Tom R., I couldn't agree w/you more. Et Al, I have nothing against SMG, but only TC's attempt to: usurp authority and *play* mod/lawyer/HTNs' 'affirmative-action' attorney via propping up unknown, no-name third world hacks while at one and the same time putting down THE only time tested dr.'s in the field a la' Hasson, Feller, & Rahall. TC, you act like some affirmative action liberal who puts down THE best in the industry in an attempt to promote weaker, less qualified surgeoens MERELY in order to level the playing field, w/no interest in the actual material outcome of your advocacy. I've seen you put down Hasson & Feller, while at the same time promoting some total hacks in crazy places NOONE as heard of..do *you* plan on going to these same hacks you've promoted? doubt it... What's almost more troubling than this is your pedantic, pompous attitude towards *anyone* who expresses an opinion which dissents w/yours'. You assume the position of authority & tell people they shouldn't dare express their oposing opinions. 1- your NOT a moderator. 2- your NOT an attorney for this forum, even though you like to *play* that you are. 3- I'd love to see you go to ANY of these no-name, hack dr.'s in third world counries you've been propping up - over the likes of Hasson, Feller, and Rahal - for your *own* ht...will you?...doubt it. What about when you recently said H&W abuse grafts and other Dr.s' could do *way* more w/less, how about that recent case - was it Alexander- where ~2xK were used and the results were pitiful...you *accuse* THE top clinics like H&W of "wasting" grafts and 'claim' other no-name clinics could achieve the same results w/ *half* the amount of grafts, yet you will NOT reply to rebuttals like mine which ask you for actual pictures of documented cases to PROVE your (non-sensible, non-rational theory) (?).... No response?...typical. stop w/all the *play* attorney talk, and show us some cases of your hack dr.s' using HALF the grafts H&W uses to produce exponentially better resutls...wait- - - don't have *any*, do you?

TC, your ridiculous post was *after* James said the above & frankly it doesn't matter if he didn't add that to clarify ANYONE w/common sense can read it and know it was his opinion we're NOT in some court of law or one of your law classes, so stop playing lawyer ok? Your new post LOL 1st two paragraphs w/more ridiculous *play* lawyer talk that noone cares about, last paragraph psycho-analyzing me and acting as though your an authority figure on HTN LOL...seriously, who do you think you are? Your not the moderator, this isn't a playground for you to play law, & your absolutely no authority figure to tell people what they should and shouldn't say, so top trying, ya?

LOL seriously, who do you think you are? It's as though your *playing* lawyer on HTN. James was merely politely stating his opinion, & explicitly said it was an OPINION; last I checked that was kosher on this site & was one of its purposes. It was also a very logical opinion, but you act as though he just slandered the red cross or some charity group in claiming they might raise prices when they gain more expertise in a field their new to. Your acting so dogmatic as though your some authority figure on the subject & noone else is permitted to express their views/opinions. Maybe you should save the legalese theatrics for the classroom.