Kaan Pekiner 2506+1000grafts almost 2 years after- my result

[dredd77]

Thanks for the support.

I doubt that we will hear anything from the rep. They just deleted my report on the other forum, as it is much easier.

[dredd77]

I still do not understand these points.

1.The representative of the clinic tells that dr.Kaan told me about DUPA many times. Where are the proofs? In out conversation in WhatsApp dr.Kaan told many times that he just does not know what is going on, he believes in medication. And he asked just to wait for more months to come.

2.When I first came to the clinic 2 years ago on the first op, we had about 5 minutes chat before the start. I was just told "Your donor is very good, everything would be fine". After the transplant we spoke about the recommendations, and it was saw palmetto and minoxidil. We spoke about Proscar, I said that I would never try it. Recommendations, not the mandatory things as the rep tells now.

When I came to the second op, dr.Kaan admitted that result of the first op was very bad, but he did not know the reason. He said that sometimes it could depend on other things and I understand that.

3.Finally when I got final result after the second op, I wrote to dr.Kaan, he just said that he does not think that there was a failure in the operation and that's it. I published my report on the forum, got a call from the clinic with the words that I "want to destroy the clinic reputation".

How so? Is publishing report with bad result - destroying the clinic reputation? Where in my report any bad or untruthful words about dr. Kaan or the clinic?

I was asked to delete the report immediately, and after I refused, the conversation became unethical.

They deleted the report shortly after, but why? I think my case might be useful.

Anyway the second result of the op was much better than the first, that I can not understand why. Hairs after the first op did not grow almost at all.

Edited December 11, 2019 by dredd77

[ITA]

sorry, @dredd77 , the forum from which your report has been removed is a European forum perhaps?

[Abi28]

Sorry to hear about what you are going through, I know how hard this is for you, I feel like sometimes you could go to the best doctor in the world and end up with very bad growth, I have seen a lot of cases on here from patients that went to top clinics that ended up with bad results, sometimes there is no explanation as to what went wrong. The fact that the clinic asked you to comeback and gave you a free procedure shows that they stand by their work, but also thats the least thing that they could have done since you lost precious grafts. Regarding the deleted post, a lot of clinics do this, they don't want to hurt their reputation, one bad post can ruin a clinics image, but that's not your fault since you are only sharing your experience here, what happened sucks and you are not in the wrong here. Looking at the bright side, you are not bald and you have a lot of hair on top, your hair situation is not that bad, your donor seems good, you might be able to get 1000-1500 grafts from your donor, I would consult with a dermatologist to see if you actually have DUPA and perhaps send your photos and consult with other doctors? best of luck.

[ITA]

4 minutes ago, Abi28 said:

I feel like sometimes you could go to the best doctor in the world and end up with very bad growth, I have seen a lot of cases on here from patients that went to top clinics that ended up with bad results, sometimes there is no explanation as to what went wrong. The fact that the clinic asked you to comeback and gave you a free procedure shows that they stand by their work, but also thats the least thing that they could have done since you lost precious grafts. 

I agree, but the fact that his report is deleted makes me so angry.

[Melvin- Admin]

2 hours ago, Abi28 said:

Sorry to hear about what you are going through, I know how hard this is for you, I feel like sometimes you could go to the best doctor in the world and end up with very bad growth, I have seen a lot of cases on here from patients that went to top clinics that ended up with bad results, sometimes there is no explanation as to what went wrong. The fact that the clinic asked you to comeback and gave you a free procedure shows that they stand by their work, but also thats the least thing that they could have done since you lost precious grafts. Regarding the deleted post, a lot of clinics do this, they don't want to hurt their reputation, one bad post can ruin a clinics image, but that's not your fault since you are only sharing your experience here, what happened sucks and you are not in the wrong here. Looking at the bright side, you are not bald and you have a lot of hair on top, your hair situation is not that bad, your donor seems good, you might be able to get 1000-1500 grafts from your donor, I would consult with a dermatologist to see if you actually have DUPA and perhaps send your photos and consult with other doctors? best of luck.

This is 100% true. I keep trying to remind the forum of this fact. It’s not a hunch, it’s a fact. There are no guarantees in hair transplant surgery. This is why your cry for a refund and lawyer was absurd in a previous thread. I hope this thread sheds some light into what I see daily.
 

dredd I feel for you, I really do, but there’s not much else the surgeon can do for you. There are no money-back guarantees, as patients we willingly accept that, there may be a chance that we will not get the desired result. I’m sure Dr. Pekiner told you this, or had you sign this, as he seems like an ethical doctor. 

Now, here’s what I think you should do, rule out any underlying conditions, get some second opinions. If you decide to have another procedure, do a test run maybe 100 grafts in one area, just to make sure they grow and there is no physiological reason the grafts didn’t grow. Lastly, I’m glad you found our forum, we’re here to help, one of the last forums like this IMO.
 

But you need to take advantage and actually use our forum. We have some good knowledgeable guys here like Transplantedphil, gillenator, lasercap to name a few. 

[Abi28]

9 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

This is 100% true. I keep trying to remind the forum of this fact. It’s not a hunch, it’s a fact. There are no guarantees in hair transplant surgery. This is why your cry for a refund and lawyer was absurd in a previous thread. I hope this thread sheds some light into what I see daily.
 

Because the other patient had a butchered donor and recipient area and the doctor showed no sympathy towards the patient but wanted to charge him 12,000$ on top of the 18,000$ that he paid to fix his hair. At least the patient here still has good donor and was offered a 2nd procedure for free. 

[Melvin- Admin]

40 minutes ago, Abi28 said:

Because the other patient had a butchered donor and recipient area and the doctor showed no sympathy towards the patient but wanted to charge him 12,000$ on top of the 18,000$ that he paid to fix his hair. At least the patient here still has good donor and was offered a 2nd procedure for free. 

There are no refunds or guarantees, with any surgeon. I would also caution the forum to find out the entire facts before making a judgement on any case. We don’t know what was discussed, as we haven’t  heard from the surgeon or their side. We need to keep a level head and be objective and fair in all situations good or bad.

[Abi28]

18 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

There are no refunds or guarantees, with any surgeon. I would also caution the forum to find out the entire facts before making a judgement on any case. We don’t know what was discussed, as we haven’t  heard from the surgeon or their side. We need to keep a level head and be objective and fair in all situations good or bad.

Fair enough, I agree there are no guarantees.

[Abi28]

38 minutes ago, transplantedphil said:

Regarding the other thread - a bad result is one thing, but again it was all about how it was handled; the patient came to the forum looking for advice, learnt more and got more support here than from their own doctor, presumably didnt want to share their details so as not to involve Melvin , and ultimately sought help from another clinic. While in that case we never heard the doctor's side, it should be very telling that that patient actively avoided returning to them.  I would also argue that most doctor's dont want to be perceived as being responsible for poor work, so the fact we even saw it on this forum suggests that particular case wasn't handled correctly.

Exactly, it's 2 different situations, the other patient paid a lot of money and was butchered, he ended up with a horrible scar plus the doctor diagnosed him with narcosis at some point and than later he told him he misdiagnosed him and later wanted 12,000$ to repair his hair, totally different case. After care matters, at least the doctor here offered the patient a free procedure also his donor looks really good so he is not screwed for life. 

[Melvin- Admin]

19 minutes ago, Abi28 said:

Exactly, it's 2 different situations, the other patient paid a lot of money and was butchered, he ended up with a horrible scar plus the doctor diagnosed him with narcosis at some point and than later he told him he misdiagnosed him and later wanted 12,000$ to repair his hair, totally different case. After care matters, at least the doctor here offered the patient a free procedure also his donor looks really good so he is not screwed for life. 

My point is we only have one side of the story, we cannot speak in absolutes, also  saying his donor is screwed for life is your assumption.

A stretched scar doesn’t equal screwed for life. It’s comments like this, that cause patients a lot of unnecessary worry and anguish. Anyway, I want to keep this forum supportive and not destructive. Let’s no longer de-rail this conversation. 
 

dredd, I think you have plenty of options, you just need to make sure you make the appropriate steps. 

[ITA]

20 hours ago, dredd77 said:

They deleted the report shortly after, but why? I think my case might be useful.

 

@dredd77 I am almost certain which forum you refer to when you talk about the fact that they have deleted the report, and I know how you can feel it, but as I wrote in another thread, the only thing we can do is to let more people know  possible the policy of these pseudo-forums, which are real commercial activities, abandoning them and instead making forums like HRN grow much more ethical than them.

[Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic]

DUPA is not a particular illness or something that should be diagnosed with a biopsy, it is just androgenetic miniaturization diffusing into the donor, so that a variable percentage (20, 30, 50%..it depends on the case) of transplanted hair can suffer from miniaturization, just like hair on recipient, if the patients doesn't take Finasteride.

That's why dr. Pekiner always underlined the importance of the therapy in this case: because without an anti DHT therapy, also transplanted hair (not all of them) will suffer from androgenetic driven thinning.

[Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic]

On 12/12/2019 at 4:35 AM, transplantedphil said:

 

This is exactly why Dredd being censored on another forum, (and the other thread that you referred to being locked) is so disappointing because it means as patients we are shielded from understanding the true realities of this industry. 

While I agree we need to be fair, in Dredd's instance we have heard from the clinic rep and I'm still confused; Dredd has always claimed he was never told he had DUPA, yet the clinic rep has argued otherwise, so unless the clinic can provide such evidence of a DUPA diagnosis existing (which should be easy enough given it would have been discussed in the messages) we should all be concerned how they handled Dredd's case publicly.  

Regarding the other thread - a bad result is one thing, but again it was all about how it was handled; the patient came to the forum looking for advice, learnt more and got more support here than from their own doctor, presumably didnt want to share their details so as not to involve Melvin , and ultimately sought help from another clinic. While in that case we never heard the doctor's side, it should be very telling that that patient actively avoided returning to them.  I would also argue that most doctor's dont want to be perceived as being responsible for poor work, so the fact we even saw it on this forum suggests that particular case wasn't handled correctly.

While we can all get upset about a bad result I believe the only things we can focus on is how a patient is treated by a specific clinic, and what can we do to help solve the situation.

And now Melvin has me worried about what he sees daily 😪

The reality of the industry is not represented by the point of view of a patient at war with a clinic for some kind of revenge after an unsuccessful hair transplant, caused mainly by the patient's failure to follow doctor's orders.

[LonelyGraft]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

The reality of the industry is not represented by the point of view of a patient at war with a clinic for some kind of revenge after an unsuccessful hair transplant, caused mainly by the patient's failure to follow doctor's orders.

Where is the proof where this was discussed through messages?

[Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic]

3 minutes ago, LonelyGraft said:

Where is the proof where this was discussed through messages?

So now this became an online trial where I am asked to bring proofs?

[LonelyGraft]

1 minute ago, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

So now this became an online trial where I am asked to bring proofs?

It’s word against word with patient and doctor rep claiming radically different things. As far as I’m concerned the patient has provided more proof of his side.

 

youre here to represent the doctor and bring in more business. This is a perfect opportunity to stand behind your doctors decision and claims on a public forum.

[mustang]

On 12/12/2019 at 3:09 AM, Melvin-Moderator said:

There are no refunds or guarantees, with any surgeon. I would also caution the forum to find out the entire facts before making a judgement on any case. We don’t know what was discussed, as we haven’t  heard from the surgeon or their side. We need to keep a level head and be objective and fair in all situations good or bad.

This is absolutely NON true. The vast majority of doctors offer a guarantee on their work. I should known having had 12 FUE surgeries in the past 14 years with 9 different and reputable doctors. ALL of them offered a 90% growth guarantee and I have been refunded on the one surgery where it did not happen with a poorly skilled surgeon.

This thread and how this forum member and patient is being treated really pisses me off. DUPA has nothing to do with poor growth. It can only mean that the hair can miniaturized over time. The surgeon obviously did not transplant miniaturized hairs so that would affect the result down the line.

I have been a patient of HLC and Dr Keser as well. I had outstanding results. I systemically achieved over 90% of growth on all my surgeries.

Does every hair transplant doctor have cases of poor growth? Probably but very very rare. The vast majority of top surgeons achieve the same results over and over again on a healthy and virgin scalp. That is why protocols are followed.

PD: Yes. I did actually just register to jump into this thread. That is how angry this thread has made me. I am veteran member at other forums. You can check my results and surgeries at those.

Edited December 17, 2019 by mustang
Adding info

[mustang]

5 hours ago, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

So now this became an online trial where I am asked to bring proofs?

That is the least you should do when being accused of lying and you would definitely do it if you had it as it would clear the name of the clinic you represent. You represent an institution with financial interests on this forum.

[Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic]

Dr. Pekiner didn't provide me with a recording of the conversation between the patient and him.

[Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic]

7 hours ago, LonelyGraft said:

It’s word against word with patient and doctor rep claiming radically different things. As far as I’m concerned the patient has provided more proof of his side.

 

youre here to represent the doctor and bring in more business. This is a perfect opportunity to stand behind your doctors decision and claims on a public forum.

Yes, and I already said the patient behaved bizarelly, specifically he didn't follow dr. Pekiner's orders about medications, despite saying he would. He changed version many times and then after some months he started to be interested just in blackening the clinic reputation. Now he is depicting himself in this forum as a poor Oliver Twist that was mistreated by the clinic but the truth is quite the opposite, and I think there is some interest behind this attacks.

In addition his backup against the clinic is a member with only 2 messages written in this forum, all against the clinic. How strange.

[dredd77]

As expected, no answers to the questions or any proofs.

By the way does this man really works for the clinic? I never seen him even during my second operation, which was a year ago. And how he can say anything about me if he has never seen me and

On 12/17/2019 at 2:04 AM, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

Dr. Pekiner didn't provide me with a recording of the conversation between the patient and him.

 

 

On 12/17/2019 at 2:14 AM, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

In addition his backup against the clinic is a member with only 2 messages written in this forum, all against the clinic. How strange.

If you are speaking about Mustang, this man was registered in 2014. Do not be silly.

[LonelyGraft]

10 hours ago, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

Yes, and I already said the patient behaved bizarelly, specifically he didn't follow dr. Pekiner's orders about medications, despite saying he would. He changed version many times and then after some months he started to be interested just in blackening the clinic reputation. Now he is depicting himself in this forum as a poor Oliver Twist that was mistreated by the clinic but the truth is quite the opposite, and I think there is some interest behind this attacks.

In addition his backup against the clinic is a member with only 2 messages written in this forum, all against the clinic. How strange.

What does “change version” mean? He switched brands of meds?

[Melvin- Admin]

Guys,

We do not need to involve any other organizations in this matter. I believe this topic has run its course. @dredd77 the doctor did behave ethically in my opinion when dealing with your result. You have every right as a patient to voice your dissatisfaction, but at this point I don't believe there is much else to say here. 

I don't think it's a bad idea to check yourself for any underlying conditions, it's plausible that there may be something other than surgical error at fault here. Now i'm not saying it is, i'm just saying everything should be ruled out. Lastly, if you want our help and support, I suggest using our forum for research. I truly wish you the best and I hope you can move forward. 

Onwards and Upwards.

[EvansLawrence]

Honestly in my humble opinion what I believe that could bring peace and confident to future clients would be if every of this top clinics like pekiner, hlc, Keser, Asmed or even Demirsoy would promise in their webs by certificate that they will either return you all the money or either do you a free repair in case something like this happens. Ximena Vila does this in Spain and that is one of the secrets of her big success.