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Whats the test? Post link please

I'm honestly not sure, probably varies patient to patient. Even googling "safe donor area" and looking at the images you'll see different heights of what is suppoedly the safe donor area. So it really depends.

Does not matter.

You don't have to be a HT surgeon to recognize very basic facts about the process. If you understand even the bare minimum about hair transplants, it's easy to see OP was not only not a "good candidate" but he was in fact not a candidate at all. How Eugenix accepted him as a patient is truly beyond me. Lol

Thank you for the detailed response. I understand now, so the first four pictures were 8 years ago, and the last 3 are from today.

What you're probably asking about though is something that is more accurately called the "Patients Predicted Safe Zone". And of course this varies patient to patient. But yes even by that definition there are certainly plenty of cases where Dr's harvested grafts in areas that seem to quite obviously be prone to future thinning.

It depends what you mean by safe zone. If you're talking about the thin strip from the mid ear to the top of the ear, then yes of course they do. You can confirm that for yourself simply by looking at any high/medium norwood's post op pictures.

It isn't at all uncommon on here to see grafts taken from areas that are already thinning, or that will likely thin in the future. Here's the point: Never just blindly trust your surgeon/clinic. A lot of people think that "doing research" on a HT is just finding a Dr who has good reviews from people who were in a similar situation that you're in and then pulling the trigger. But it's a lot more than that. If you're serious about getting a HT then YOU need to become an expert on how to plan a HT. Even if your Dr is ethical, only you can ensure that you construct a lifelong plan that fits your needs. You're asking the right questions though.

Whether the yield was good or bad or average is irrelevant TBH. OP should've been turned away as not a good candidate and I can say that without even seeing his donor pic. Just knowing the high % of beard grafts that had to be used means he isn't a good candidate. Tony, I would consult with Pitella and a few others, but I think in your case you're probably best off saving your money and not pursuing any further HT's. Eugenix seems to take on nearly any candidate. Is there any anecdotes of people being turned away by them? A sign of a good clinic is how many candidates they turn away and I don't remember hearing of anyone getting turned away by Eugenix.

Do you have pictures of before and after his first op? How many grafts was the first? It looks like a lot did not age well

No one should ever get results from a transplant that leave them with an unnatural pattern of baldness, and sadly in this case that's what happened. Even if the plan going in is for 2 consecutive transplants what happens if the person has an unexpected financial/health situation that means they can't go through with the 2nd procedure or have to delay it significantly? Not piling on, but I know you're someone who doesn't mind a frank assessment and that what I'm saying is things you've already said yourself. On the bright side, you did seem to get GREAT yiel, and can at least style it in such a way to mask the issues until you get HT 2.

Just trying to gauge how common retrograde alopecia is among those of us with MPB, and what better sample is there to poll from than you chumes!

Is anyone selling a good minox/tret foam or liquid?

This area can be seen to be quite thin in one of the first set of pics you posted. I'm kind of surprised, for 3100 grafts you guys tried to cover a very large area. Even still, I would have expected better yield at this point. You still do have lots of time left to grow though. What was the discussion like when you and Gur were planning the surgery? Did you request you wanted the 3100 grafts spread out to give some density all over?

Not so much. Cartel higher ups highly discourage their underlings from targeting American's. They don't want the US government on their back causing issues for their business, and they know going after American's is a surefire way to bring that sort of heat down on them. The last thing they want is some American getting killed or robbed.

Thanks I'll check those out. I recently came across a video recommending Gelatin powder in place of whey so I ordered up some "great lakes grassfed beef gelatin" to give it a shot.

Great write up. I actually got a bit nostalgic reading it because my experience, like yours, was extremely pleasant and actually quite fun. I also remember being impressed with how quiet and focused his techs were. I'm not kidding when I say "monk-like" is a good description of them - very confidence inspiring on a day when you have a lot going on in your head. Like you I also remembering being impressed at Nader's insistence that I send him regular updates. I've actually sent him hardly any just because I feel like he probably gets inundated with them, and I also haven't had any reason for concern, so I figured I'd hold off until month 9 or so before shooting him an update. The few times I did text him in the first month he responded same day. Great write up and very comprehensive reference for future patients on what it's like on surgery day with Nader. Happy growing!

There's been a lot of discussion recently about this video in the thread below. I'm a topical Min user, and frankly despite what Kevin says about the safety of topical I'm even concerned with how much goes systemic just from topical application with no microneedling. Especially because I usually just use enough to cover the entire "area of concern" instead of only using to like the half a cap full that I believe is recommended on the bottle. I guess the question is how much topical is equivalent to say 0.5 mg of oral in terms of systemic absorption? BTW, thanks for the recommendation on the Slick Gorilla styling powder. Worked great to reduce the frizzines both in my transplanted hair and native hair and makes it easier to style.

To be fair, in your case there is really no "evidence" that you had serious side effects. I'm not saying you didn't by any means, but your case isn't as clear cut as the South African woman.

Kevin shows this quote from the paper in his video. To me, this reads that anyone taking OM taking for less than 3 months was excluded from being observed in the study. Otherwise the range would be 0-79 months? I’m happy to be wrong here (And even happier for my chume Kevin to be wrong) but I don’t see anything in the above texts that addresses his question.

Well, it just means that anyone who stopped prior to being on it for 3 months weren't included in the study. There was some talk about this in a thread a few weeks back around the confusion of who was and wasn't included in that study.

Which studies? The one most people mention is the one of approximately 1400 patients, but I'm pretty sure they only looked at patients who had already been using OM for 3 months.

Does whey wreak havoc on anyone else's digestive system? I've even bought an expensive one that is supposed to be easier on digestion, but no luck

@ArochaAngel4247 This patient had a previous HT in his hairline it looks like?

Yes I'm 8 months post op with Nader. Long waitlist is a sign of a good surgeon.