Kruchie

15 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

You have nothing to worry about. We all shed at different times, and occasionally some hair appears to stay.

Where your at right now is perfectly normal. 

Thanks for that. I was starting to worry that I had poor growth, it's mad how much of an emotional roller coaster having a HT is. 

Hi, not really been around the forums much recently, I've tried to forget about my HT and concentrate on other things. 

I'm 9 weeks post op but most of my hair still hasn't shed, apart from around the hairline. I've just had my hair cut for the first time today. 

My question is this:

Am I safe to stop worrying about the ugly duckling stage or do you think my hair is just slow to shed? I don't know what else I can do, I'm trying my best not to worry or stress but it's easier said than done. 

Will be updating my other thread with (better) progress pictures soon. 

Thanks in advance! 

Looks so good, bet you feel loads more confident. 

I recently had a HT after wearing a system for 5 years, so I know how you feel. You definitely have options and it's not too late. You're right not to put price and location as your biggest factor. I'm also from the UK, have a look at my topic. I'm sure some people will tell you the best Dr's to visit. 

Ps, are you on fin/dut? 

On 7/30/2020 at 10:46 AM, nightowl said:

Here's a pic. I assumed that it's too far gone for any medications and the size of the area would make a transplant hugely expensive.

I think you could try a system, there is no harm in giving it a go. As much as I'm against them, I do realise that there are times when a system may be the best option. I take it you would be open and honest about wearing one? It would be difficult to go from slick bald to full head of hair. If you go ahead with purchasing a system, I can give you many tips and advice, feel free to message me about it. 

Like @LaserCap said, SMP could be a good option too, I've seen some astounding results recently here in these forums, definitely look into that. 

On 2/10/2020 at 2:34 PM, alexXx999 said:

Hello everyone, 

I started to use this forum few months ago when I was looking for a solution to my hair loss and now i have to share my progress.

I am an Italian dude, I started to lose my hair when i was 21 more or less,  i wasn't that much bothered about it, then it  started to be really noticeable at 22, I tried Finasteride, RU, CB0301 and almost any sort of vitamins/supplement you can find on the internet, unfortunatly i got sides with Fin and antiandrogens in general, vitamins didn't worked as well as any supplement i've tried....

In June 2018 I started 5% Minoxidil twice a day, it was working so well that i regrow almost all my hair back, then, the effects, however, lasted  for 6 - 8 months and after 8 months i was already at baseline again, my dad is a NW5 at 52 y o, my grandpa instead was bald at 25,  I think i'll probably be a NW6-NW7 before 30 too...

Anyway, after months and months of research, i realized that Hair transplants aren't a viable solution for me as i'm young (24 now) and my hair genetics sucks  

Of course my confidence went down a lot, i've been so stressed out that I started to avoid social interactions, trying to pick up girls and on top of that  i had a sense of inferiority, because i felt like i had something less than others... The alopecia progressed and I decided i needed to stop blaming my genetics and that i had to do something because i wasn't living anymore, i was just surviving, waiting to die.

I started to browse the internet looking for alternative solutions other than HTs and i thought that maybe a SMP +  Low density FUE could have been a great solution.

In this forum i saw diffent pictures of different SMP Practitioners, I saw some great and natural results from a studio close to my city, I'm talking about Men's Ink Tricopigmentation.

I contacted them, they have great prices, amazing natural results on their Instagram page and the girl i talked with (Debora Cetrulo) was kind and  honest about the expectations I could have had and also her thoughts on my situation, I decided to book my first session in November.

My expectations were that even with SMP, i wouldn't have been able to accept my situation and  I was even scared that someone could spot my tatto.

This has been far from the truth, the SMP looks AMAZING, it's so realistic that i can't even tell where my native hair begins, most people ask me why I decided to shave my head as a fullhead

Confidence went up a lot and I finally feel happy about myself and i started to live my life again...

I found them thru this forum so i wanted to share my progress and thoughts with you... If you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask me whatever you want!

Here's the pics, here's 2 weeks worth of growth

Here's instead is 1 day after shaving with the clipper, as you can see i had diffuse thinning on top with a NW3- NW4 pattern and some vertex balding

 

Then here's the after

 

In my opinion this is one of the best results i saw online, for now i'm super happy, I'm just worried for the future as i love this look with 2-3 days worth of growth as it has the 3D effects and it is dark enough to fool people into believing that i still have all my native hair, so this is why i think my fight against hair loss is not ended yet, i think i'll undergo a low density hair transplant, maybe with a little bit of beard or body hair in general as i want to keep this lenght and i'm scared that after a HT my donor zone will look too depleted and different with such short hair, of course i'd do the SMP even in the donor zone but my opinion on SMP over scar tissue isn't clear yet...

For now i can't complain and i'd advice any of you guys to go for a SMP if you are wondering if it's the right choice for you...

Men's Ink is in Milan, Italy, but they also works in Spain sometimes, they have been the best IMO in terms of realisticity and they have fair prices compared to others famous brands

That actually looks incredible. I would never know that was SMP.

Already looks fantastic, can't wait to see your updates over the next few months, gonna look amazing I bet, 

23 hours ago, nightowl said:

I live in the UK and am in my mid-40s. Hair loss runs in the family and I'm showing the same pattern baldness as my father and grandfather - totally bald up top with normal growth around the sides and back. The monk look I call it.  It's been as it is for a few years now so I guess that's how it's going to stay. I can't say it totally played on my mind for a number of years but recently I've been finding it hard to look at myself in a mirror, especially with a few signs of ageing around the face. I think there's probably a bit of thinking about the big five-zero looming too and feeling pretty rubbish about things. What definitely hasn't helped is working from home during the lockdown and having lots of long video conferences. There's nothing like staring at yourself for hours each day to make you feel even worse. I'm only just dipping my toe in the water in terms of options at the moment but have seen enough to realise that a hair transplant is going to be out of my reach financially. It's also too far gone for any magic shampoos etc to work. Therefore I guess my only option is to think of a hairpiece. I've always had a bit of a downer on the idea based on the fact that my dad briefly tried a really cheap and nasty one back in the 70s. It actually ended up being torn apart by the family dog when he left it lying on the chair one day.  Must have thought it was some weird creature invading the house or something. Anyway my main questions are:

1, Can you get something these days that isn't going to have people automatically pointing and crying 'wig!' ?

2, Is there a rough minimum financial commitment you should have in mind to get something of good quality?

3, How long does a good quality wig last for? I've seen some suggestions that they need to be replaced every few months. That would be a hefty long term financial commitment.

 
Thanks everyone

I would beg that you please just reconsider the hair system for now and concentrate on other options first. Have you tried any medications? Can we see some pics?

I will try and answer a couple of your questions but I would never recommend you wear a hair system, I wore one for 5 years. They can look great and that's true, I don't think anyone ever knew I was wearing one apart from those I told. So yes, they can look very good and just like real hair but this takes time, effort and money. Believe me, if you can afford a hair system then you can afford a hair transplant, they are not cheap and if you go cheap, it looks like a wig. You would replace it ideally every 3 months at the most, do not have them repaired and do not go for cheaper more durable base materials, they look like wigs. 

5 hours ago, BeHappy said:

I agree. I had that happen to me on a date. We were making out on the sofa and she put her hands in my hair and felt the hair system and then stopped and just stared at me. It was extremely embarrassing.

 

Right. I felt exactly the same way. I was sick to my stomach anytime someone looked at me and I had to run to the bathroom to look at myself in the mirror to make sure it wasn't noticeable. I felt so old because when I was a kid I thought only 40 something year old or older men wore a hair piece. I was only 20. It was absolutely horrible. I wore one for about 8 months and I will never wear one again.

 

If you don't tell a new date she will find out and look at you completely different if she even wants to look at you ever again at all. She will probably be running away as fast as possible. At least that's been my experience.

@BeHappy thanks for your reply, this side to wearing a system is not spoken about enough and I can't bare to see anymore videos on YT glorifying them. I can't imagine how difficult going through that at 20 must've been, I was 27 and wore one for 5 years and it ruined my mental health in way that I'm still recovering from. It's really hard for me to read comments from those who wear these 'systems', they can look great yes but the price you pay both mentally and physically is not even close to being worth it and I could never wish that mental torture on anyone - let alone recommend someone wear one. 

If I had your hair I would not even be considering a HT! You have really nice hair, go spend your money on something else. 😁

@Melvin-Moderator Thanks for this video! I definitely feel better for watching it. Did you ever make it a sticky? 

Use some hair serum/oil on the areas that you're applying your fibers to, then lock them in with a decent strong hold hairspray. As for applying the fibers, use a small makeup brush and dab, don't apply it like it's salt. 😅😂

Your results are incredible, just looking at your pics you can see the amazing difference in you. 

11 days post op mini update. Most of the scabs have come off now, still have the mini blue dot on my scalp but I can see it's fading. 

Any feedback is always appreciated. Thanks 😇🤩

8 minutes ago, Egy said:

Absolutely, nobody says that all of them are false, only that it is easy to write without documenting, as you can do on a forum like HRN, publishing photos of the progress month by month and discussing the evolution of the transplant.

Yeah I totally agree. I didn't even look at their score on TP until after my surgery and they asked me to write a review.

Thank god for HRN. 

I wish money wasn't such a big factor but it literally took me years to save up just enough for a HT in Turkey. Short of winning the lottery, it was the best option available to me. 🤔

8 minutes ago, Doron Harati said:

Correct!

Those are fake reviews, it's you see those cheap botched clinic in Google "gets" 4.8 - 5.0 stars, but you never see pro level clinics with those rates, every fake monkey users can write those fake reviews.

Not all of them will be fake, I left one for Cinik and that wasn't fake. I know of others who left reviews for him on there too and they weren't fake. 

8 minutes ago, Portugal25 said:

I fully agree with you because if you are recommending clinics based on Trustpilot reviews then there is truly no more discussion to be had with you!

This is getting boring now, I haven't recommended any clinics based on anything other than my own experience. As you will see in my reply to @Foobar.

8 minutes ago, Egy said:

Forgive me  @Kruchieif I contradict you, but if a user were to make his choice based on Trustpilot reviews, he would risk a lot, it's easy to write four bullshit without documenting it.  HRN is the only true source of true news about the experience of a surgeon or clinic. 

I wouldn't ever recommend anyone make their choice based on TP alone, I'm fully aware how easy it is to fake reviews on there but not all will be fake. 

@Portugal25 Clearly you have issues and until you can sort that out, there is no further discussion to be had with you. Facts are facts and Cinik has done a lot of good work lately, no opinion will alter that and quoting topics that are years old won't either. Going to ignore the points you made about Cinik advertising at a football match, that's irrelevant and doesn't impact on results. Cinik has a score of 4.8 on Trustpilot - out of 509 reviews. 

@Foobar Sorry for hijacking your thread. I can share with you my experience of Cinik. I was treated with a high level of professionalism before, during and after the surgery. At the minute I'm only 10 days post op but I can tell you I am very happy with my progress so far, it really has made me a lot happier and I wish I did it sooner. Definitely would recommend Cinik to anyone, if you can afford it then maybe go elsewhere but I don't think you'd be disappointed with Cinik. 

@rob7331 100% agree with everything you said, couldn't have said it better myself. 

1 minute ago, Portugal25 said:

This thread from 2019 shows another botched result from Cinik and the user “o pclio” states in the thread that Cinik Clinic actually does 18 hair transplants per day (the patient stop posting like most do once they realize they have a botched HT😞

https://www.sacekimisonuclari.com/index.php?topic=9450.75

It’s pretty obvious that Cinik Clinic needs to have dozens of patients every day day (paying those ridiculous low all inclusive prices) in order to be able to afford advertising and the English premier league (one the most expensive advertising space in Europe).

https://eideard.com/2019/10/26/think-cosmetic-surgery-mostly-for-men-aint-profitable/

@Kruchie if you had spent time in this forum you would have found @Melvin-Moderator videos warning us about the red alerts we should be aware of such as clinics advertising all inclusive prices and understood the risks people take when they chose a tech run surgery in Turkey. 

Hope I have shed enough proof for you and managed to open your eyes.

You haven't managed to prove anything?

You found another old topic, hardly showing the many there would be given the now 18 procedures a day. Is there a surgeon out there who doesn't have a bad review? 

I can't tell if you're being serious or not anymore. I have been there myself, to the clinic, seen it with my own eyes. I went back daily for hair washes for 6 days and saw none of what you claim.

You don't make much sense to me, it sounds like you're mad because Turkey can provide you a good result at an affordable price. Gone are the days when people had to remortgage their home for a HT. No wonder other doctors bad mouth them, of course they would. If someone was providing a similar service and charging 50+% less, you'd be mad and discredit them too.

Everywhere has good and bad clinics and that's all there is to it.

I'm done talking about this now as you keep taking the discussion in other directions and still have yet to prove anything you've claimed. My opinion is based on recent posts and experiences shared by real patients. 

1 minute ago, Portugal25 said:

It’s really just a matter of taking the time to  google Cinik https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/29839-Horrible-experience-Hair-transplant-disaster-Dr.-Emrah-Cinik-Turkey

@Melvin-Moderator also explained to you that it’s well documented how these all inclusive hairmills operate but sadly people want to believe that a hair transplant surgery costing 2990€ will give great results to everyone that pays this ridiculous low price.

If you sit next to one of these amazing Doctors like I did with Dr. Rahal and Dr. Pekiner (for 3 whole days) you get to find out a lot about the world of hair transplants and I can tell you Dr. Cinik is only ever discussed by these top Doctors at International Conferences to give an example of a well know Turkish hairmill. 

If you really want to open your eyes you can go to a elite doctor like Feriduni, Muresanu, Bisanga or Lorenzo and ask them about Cinik Clinic and how mant repair jobs from Turkey they are doing every month.

What you just linked to is 2 years old.

 If you Google 'insert clinic here' and 'bad result' you'll pull up such results. How about all the disasters at other clinics that charge a hell of a lot more? No clinic is without their bad reviews.

You're yet again quoting these others doctors and going off topic, that is not the discussion we're having. What we are talking about is all the bad experiences people have recently had in Turkey @Cinik, yet you can only link to another forum with a post that's 2 years old. It doesn't matter what Melvin or anyone else says, without proof it's all just conjecture.

You're basically saying that anyone like myself and @Bax, @Pauls had not bothered to research anything and went with cheap all the way. When I can tell you this, I came to this forum and looked at reviews and results and it was some of the posts here that actually led me to use Cinik.

1 minute ago, Portugal25 said:

Comparing is all we do here at HRN.
We compare real patient results from doctors to understand if we should chose that doctor.

It’s impossible to compare results from clinics where tech teams do surgeries because the tech team can change every month, week or day. It’s like playing Russian roulette to find out if your lucky enough to have been awarded a decent tech team.

I saw 52 real patients results from Dr. Pekiner before chosing him and I was hoping for a similar result to other patients of his that used beard grafts and had my type of hair. 

You can’t say Cinik will give you a similar result to this or that patient that posted his results because you have no idea what tech team was responsable for those results nor do you know if those techs still work at Cinik. 

I don’t need to show proof like the curriculum of a tech working at Cinik or any other all inclusive Turkish clinic to state the obvious: It’s like playing Russian roulette with a permanent medical procedure! 

Then why would you not show me where all your evidence is? IF what you're saying is true, I may not have used Cinik and gone elsewhere. Why would you not want to share that valuable information and stop others from potentially making a huge mistake? Do you not think that I and anyone else who used Cinik, had gone away and read real reviews and looked at real results by patients? 

You still have not managed to back up anything that you claimed and keep taking the discussion in other directions. Where are all these horror stories? Show us. 

Just now, Portugal25 said:

The most expensive all inclusive package at Cinik costs 2990€.

If you were to chose any of the 3 most famous doctors in Turkey with that money you can have 854 grafts with Dr. Keser and 1194 grafts with either Pekiner or HLC (without hotel or flights just the surgery).

How can anyone think that 4000 grafts implated by technicians for 2990€ will provide the same results as the same surgery done by a doctor with tons of amazing results posted by real patients.... 

You definitely have a biased opinion and clearly don't actually know what you're talking about. Don't spiral the discussion into comparing doctors, you can't believe that charging more for less work equals a better guaranteed result. What about those that have 1000 grafts or less and still pay 2990€? You are assuming everyone has a huge amount of grafts, that's incorrect. 

As for comparing, please don't. That isn't what the discussion is, we are here to discuss why Turkey is so bad and for you to provide evidence to back up what you're saying. 

3 minutes ago, Portugal25 said:

@Kruchie it’s a fact that technicians in Turkey don’t need a medical background.

My Doctor (Turkish) informed me that these hairmills even employ underpaid Sirian refugees to cut costs.

I have no doubt the technicians at Cinik treatead you nicely but I highly doubt them to have the skills required to perform a hair transplant surgery because if they did you wouldn’t be paying a all inclusive low cost price.

Yes, I'm aware about technicians not needing a medical background. That just means they don't need a medical background, you can't just assume that everyone therefore won't have any experience or qualifications that apply. 

You doubt they have skills to perform surgery, then were are all the horror stories? 8 procedures per day, I would expect to see a lot of horror stories, not just here but everywhere. Do you actually know what you're talking about? My surgery was not that cheap, certainly not cheap to people living in Turkey either.