Badresults

19 minutes ago, Yake said:

Thy use a DHI technique, where grafts are directly implanted aftrr extractions. It is a more advance technique of fue

It’s not the exact DHI. The DHI method where the choi implanter pen is being used and there is no slit opening procedure on the implanted area. 
 

I believe they called it as DHT where there’s still a slit opening procedure needs to be done.

Just a question, why do patients from Eugenix have quick growth, most of their growth can be seen in 3 months and most of other clinics only see their growth after 3-4 months. What difference is this clinic doing?

6 hours ago, California said:

Dear Forum Members,

I have been watching this thread and not commenting because Dr. Bhatti was handling the responses himself. But now, I have to jump in here. I have been the North America Rep for Dr. Bhatti for many years (way longer than the ex-UK Rep, Shera). I am also a Patient of Dr. Bhatti. I got my procedure done with him in 2011. My association with Dr. Bhatti goes back almost a decade. I researched him for almost a year before I decided to go with him for my HT Surgery. I have met Dr. Bhatti several times in person in India and in San Francisco, California. I have found him to be a wonderful human being, humble and well grounded. During one of our meetings in San Francisco about 5 years ago, I asked him why he was not taking advantage of his fame in the HT world and opening up franchise offices in the Indian metro cities such as New Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai etc. His response was straight, simple and to the point, "I live in Chandigarh. My Clinic is in Chandigarh. If I open franchise offices, I won't be able to perform those procedures myself. My goal is to do take care of all of my Patients myself. I make enough money and don't need to risk my reputation". It was a "wow" moment for me because I had floated a "business proposal" and his response was totally "non-business". I DO NOT need to defend Dr. Bhatti or his Clinic and say things to make him look good. I work with his Clinic on an "extremely part time basis". Thank God, I have a very successful career in the SF Bay Area and am extremely busy. I chip in here only when I can. The reason I spoke up now is that it seems so unfair that so many folks are trying to throw Dr. Bhatti under the bus for something that he never did. I am his Rep and if I make a bad decision/action, that should not be taken as Dr. Bhatti's "fault". Yes, it would be his responsibility to severe his ties with me if I really crossed the line. My fault cannot automatically be "judged" as Dr. Bhatti's fault. 

I have had the pleasure of working with hundreds of Dr. Bhatti Patients in the North America region for almost a decade now. I can confidently say that over 90% of those Patients have  been very happy with their procedure. There have been a few that were not happy and a very few that were very unhappy. For those Patients, I have tried my best to support as much as possible. Being a victim of 2 failed HT procedures myself (both in San Francisco area), I can relate to the pain of a failed HT procedure. Money is one factor here but the hopes that get dashed, hurt the most. Dr. Bhatti has always asked me to let the Patients know that we are always there to back them up and will never give up on them. 

Again, I am requesting folks that do not know Dr. Bhatti to not jump to conclusions. If I had to get another HT done (which I can't now because I ran out of my donor after 4 HT procedures), I would choose Dr. Bhatti as my HT Surgeon in a heartbeat. 

Take it as "marketing or salesy" pitch if you want......but from my side, it is nothing but heartfelt and honest truth. I thank you for your time and hope that you all stay safe during these tough times.

Best regards,

California

@California

First of all I'm not sure why are you trying to to explain all the 'positive' stuff about Dr. Bhatti which you've known since 2011. It is more like a damage control effort and hoping that no one should judge @Dr Tejinder Bhatti based on his bad results or what his patient representative @Shera has been doing. Anyway your response it's still better than how @Shera responded last year. Perhaps if Dr. Bhatti knew how to runs and educate his patient representative in a proper ethical way, we won't be having this whole discussion and perhaps future legal issues. 

Now, let me ask you something, I believe you live in the U.S, do you think that if in U.S if there was a similar case where a patient representative threatened, blackmailing a patient and their employers the doctor and clinic  would have just gotten away with an appology and the patient rep would just been fired? That's all, case closed? The Doctor and the clinic would have been hung to dry and they can never practice again and I'm sure you know this. Also, according to Indian consumer rights and legal  he is for sure responsible now.

Let me quote you on your statement from post above..

'Yes, it would be his responsibility to severe his ties with me if I really crossed the line. My fault cannot automatically be "judged" as Dr. Bhatti's fault. '

In what logic that the statement applies? @Dr Tejinder Bhatti as the owner of Darling Buds@5 River Hair Transplant Chandigarh India,  is fully responsible for all his staff action when it comes to the business affair.  He is the face for his clinic! Whether they are in India, US, Asia, Europe or Africa, as long they are working for him, he is responsible for every action of his team as they are representing him. It can be his patient representative, cleaner, surgery technician, he is responsible. For all the good results of surgeries Dr.Bhatti gets the credit, so when there  is such serious matter as this or bad results, why isn't Dr.Bhatti's shouldn't be responsible?

Also, you should ask yourself a honest question here, would you go back to the same doctor who did a bad result on your first procedure then his team black mailing you and your employer? Would go to back to him for a repair?
 

Let’s say if it’s not a HT surgery now we are talking  and it’s something else, maybe you sent your car for a service and all this happened later on, would you Still send your car to the same mechanic second time?? I think you and everyone knows the answer.

12 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said:

Let us not go out of control. For most surgeries no one knows why the grafts fail to grow. Neither Bhatti know nor any other clinic in the world. I do not want to excuse whats happened and I think that if this was not a singular event the clinic should be removed from this forum, but HT are never a guarantee. 

Yea, like I said earlier, if this is only about a failed procedure then it’s not fair to remove any doctor because then how are you going to justify the successful job? That’s just simple straightforward logic which everyone including myself as patient would think.

But here, there’s more than a failed job and bad transplant we are talking about. It is about how the doctor handled the whole complaints against his failed procedure, how his representative handled their patients, black mailing their patients ,and their employers, disclosing patients details about their procedure to employers
 

With the reason above, he should not even allowed to practice ! That’s a serious crime which has been committed. And logically if a doctor and co commit those crime and action, how are we going to protect other patients by having him in list of recommended doctors? 
 

Because this can happen again , and all what he would do is put the blame on someone else. Shera is just a temporary scapegoat 

11 minutes ago, LonelyGraft said:

So, @Shera logged in just to remove his clinic association from his signature.....damage control move from the clinic?

Yes @LonelyGraft it is just a damage control move. In real he would still be working with  @Dr Tejinder Bhatti . If you see the way they work and operate is they would try to shut anyone off who expose them and they don’t wish to be accountable on all their doing. 
 

Whether it’s the doctor or rep it’s the same. They work together. They have threatened patients on this forum, and what makes you think they won’t do that in their own country if they can do that from those abroad and on forums?
 

One thing is yet  we are not getting  a clear answer is why is this doctor still a recommended doctor in this forum. This is the doctor who wants to perform a repair or had performed a repair without knowing the cause of his own failed job. 

literally disgusting. 

5 hours ago, sunnybadhair said:

This is a current pic, after 2 HT’s over the same area, still lack of density... also I have had Smp done over this area- which was recommended by the doctor and his colleagues, but the SMP artist advised me that there is just not enough density to do anything. Basically, I have to do a grade 1 anything longer and I get the attached effect. I am looking forward to Bhattis next set of lies...ie I didn’t take the medicine!? What a joke! I bought the medicine from you, of course I took it!

OMG @sunnybadhair I just came across your experiences post. You literally had same experience with mine with same doctor. Bad results, even with twice surgery from same doctor. Lucky I did not opt to take the repair offer from him, worst you paid for both procedure. 

And you have been threaten as well. How on earth is this doctor still practicing and doing surgeries is just WOW. If Bhatti can continue to doing hair transplant then anyone can become a hair transplant doctor.

Lets not even think about their character how they threatens and black mail the patients. Did you show the black mailing messages to Melvin?

1 hour ago, sunnybadhair said:

I’ve had the exact same issue with Bhatti. Don’t fall for it, I’ve had 2 transplant from him, documented in this forum...and he couldn’t explain why it failed...he is a very poor doctor and I also have several messages from Shera, example- do you really want to get into a internet argument with me? Remove your review from this forum and we will give you up to 1k refund and the final insult, no refund and you’re trying to blackmail us. Again, I have screen shots if required. 
 

this whole story sounds so familiar. Bhatti assured me of results and if not, a free procedure...second op was charged and was majority over the same area. Bhutto couldn’t explain why transplants failed and even went as far as saying it looked good...as did shera, but as already advised, it has no density and eventually bhatti advised he could fix it up with around 500 + grafts, no chance!!! I won’t be going back to this doctor, even if I was paid. 
 

Shocking bhatti is a recommended member on this site, the more I dig init Bhatti, the more false promises, lies and blackmail I see. 

Wow, so I’m not the only one who has been blackmailed by Shera and Darling Buds. This has happened to other patients as well. Is this still an ‘impulsive action’ @Dr Tejinder Bhatti @Melvin-Moderator? 
 

This clearly  proved that the doctor knows everything about how their representatives behaved otherwise why would Shera offer a 1k offer to remove the thread ? Also isn’t this a backstage deal which Shera tried offering to this patient? @Dr Tejinder Bhatti ?

Now the most important, why is this doctor offering a repair without knowing the cause of failure? 

2 minutes ago, BaldingEagle1 said:

Also.. you don’t need a username to view the forum.. so I’m not sure how banning a username helps this cause.. how in the world does that prevent this from happening again or to another patient?

im so confused. I don’t follow the logic. 

perhaps privating the forum and having a probationary period before full viewing privileges would help.. either way that just makes you think twice about using the forum if no action gets done..

Exactly, this is why I said, banning the username on this forum is just irrelevant, it would not change anything or make much different. Now, how do you protect other members here, and future patients? Logically by removing the doctor from the recommended list. Why? Because, this is the only way you can protect your members by showing that this site only associate with Doctors who hold accountability and with integrity. It gives hope and faith to any future patients. Also, it would only be fair for other doctors on the list also. 

Tomorrow, let's say other Doctor sort of did what as Dr. Bhatti and his team did, and someone else faced the same problem, would we just banned their username and patient rep? Would it be fair? Then if you remove the doctor from here, he would say, why wasn't any action taken against Dr. Bhatti. This is the logic. 

53 minutes ago, Pyrat said:

I am not saying it’s not the clinic’s responsibility. The clinic should absolutely be responsible for what it’s employees do or how they behave. I completely stand by the patient here and think he should do whatever he feels is within his rights to be compensated for what’s been done to him.

I’m not sure you get how forums work. It’s just a place where like minded individuals get together and discuss topics that interest them. It can be extremely valuable when used for the purposes that they were created for and serve. Unfortunately, there is nothing that they can do legally or punitively.
 

The doctors that are recommended here are mostly recommended based on their results. Dr Bhatti’s results are consistently good with some bad results here and there. Removing him from the list will be a disservice to all the patients who would’ve otherwise gone to him and gotten a good transplant. You’re hurting them more than the Doctor or the clinic was the point that I was trying to make.

 

And just to make it clear, I am not a former or future patient of Dr Bhatti. 

@Pyrat If this whole discussion is ONLY about the results of my surgery from @Dr Tejinder Bhatti then yes I agree, it's is not fair to ban the doctor from this forum. As he also had a decent results for other patients so it wouldn't justify banning the doctor for few bad results. I'm also aware and know that no doctors would give 100% success in all their procedure in every cosmetic procedure, not only hair transplants. 

HOWEVER, this is not only about the results of his procedure we are talking, but the way he handled, and what his medical representative did. Black mailing a patient, their employer is an unethical action. It shows the character of an individual and their organisation, because the patient is representing the clinic and he's not working alone. If this is brought out of this forum in a legal course, he's Hair transplant centre would have been banned for life to practice. It's a CRIMINAL act which was done!

Banning a username would not justify this whole action. Anyone can change a username, with a different name and come back becoming the patient rep. We all know how it works.

The blog should sends a loud message to everyone that it stands for the right of patients and it would not tolerate such behaviours and with this it would give more confidence to anyone out there who come here to seek support in future. 

11 minutes ago, Panamera13 said:

The Doc refused the refund and unfortunately, he is probably within his rights since it's not an official policy.

But you should definitely make a police complain on harassment...no one should call your employer to "tarnish image of company". Ridiculous. 

@Panamera13 Yes, like you said yesterday, most doctors don't offer refund, but if anyone within their staff trying blackmailing, then anyone would offer refund. Question to everyone, if refund is not within their policy, is blackmailing and harrasement allowed? How is this Doctor still in the recommeded list of doctor is mind blowing. 

I would wait for the lockdown to end in India, and once everything gets back to normal I would speak to few legal representative in India. Luckily, I have family members in India.  

2 minutes ago, HTHope said:

Honestly, this is horrible....imagine if this happened in the US. For example, a woman gets a cosmetic procedure and it turns out bad. She shares her results on a forum only to have the clinic contact her company/boss and not only let them openly know about a procedure the woman had but to threathen that if she continues to post about the failed procedure that the clinic will tarnish the patients employers name. The clinic would be hung out to dry in the US. On top of that getting ignored or short responses from the doctor. Unreal, on all counts. I’m very sorry @Badresults

@HTHopeThis is what I'm trying to saying since 1 week ago. This is not only now about the bad results, but this crossed all the lines and limit what a surgeon and his co did. And the only feedback about how his patient representative behaved, he can only say he don't know and according to him all his patients detail is available to his patient rep. If this is how someone practice a medical service, then it's a clear warning for anyone in future to avoid Dr. Bhatti or even anyone who does this. 

2 minutes ago, Panamera13 said:

Like I said earlier it's none of my business but curious as to why would someone contact your employer and if they did..what did Shera say?

@Panamera13 the reason he contacted my employer was to warn them that if I don't stop posting about my procedure here, he would go ahead and tarnish the company image and reputation together with mine. As I was the head of company in my country, I did not want to further drag the matter in. This is why I went missing for almost a year from this site. 

In a simple word, he was blackmailing my employer to get them to stop me from further writing here and sharing my results. 

43 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I’m so sorry to hear this same story. Can you create your own thread. Please share the details of your surgery. Pm me if you need any help.

@Melvin-Moderator why is my post on this thread being hidden?

On 1/15/2020 at 12:49 AM, Glam Hair said:

I want to thank Dr. Maras and HDC team for repairing my hair, I was in terrible condition from my first experience with Arenamed.

I am 36 years today and had my first HT back in February 2018 at Arenamed clinic in Turkey Istanbul with an escort service with a local agent in my country that represent Arenamed, before the surgery I was promised in a contract, that I will have 5000 grafts ( mega session in a day) WITH NO SCARS, my experience at Arenamed was horrible! I had 10 hours surgery, very painful procedure that almost cost my life! They injected me too much anesthetic, which caused me to faint on a wheelchair, puke and vomit for 12 hours, body temperature was cold and squirm! They called to an ambulance and the doctor determined that my blood pressure was low due to anesthesia overdose (I am not allergic to anesthesia), after I recovered in my hotel, I couldn't sleep, I continued to threw up in the toilet and the head was too painful so I couldn't sleep! 

After a year me and the agent agreed my HT was a FAILURE, BUT he refused to admit I had scars! I went to a specialist they approved with a latter my donor area got scared due the HT surgery, PLUS the surgery hurt MY NATURAL HAIR, so the HT was failure, I got scars, I almost died from medical malpractice and my natural hair got damaged.

The agecny only offered me free HT at Arenamed but I refused and asked for a full refund and he refused even after he didn't provide what he promised on paper, we had a fight without  understanding and no agreement. 

Few months ago the same agent texted and THREATENED TO SUE ME! For telling my story but I ignored him and followed the rules by lawyer's advice.

MOST HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE I EVER HAD!

 

Now for the good part with the lovely experience at HDC in Cyprus

At first I met Dr. Maras, his team and the representors in my country, I was very emotional and told them with tears my story, I explained them I am ashamed to go out by the way I look now, I feel my appearance and my confidence was destroyed, they calmed me down, and promised that everything will be fixed, Dr. Maras explained that my luck is the fact that Arenamed didn't touch my donor area next to my ears (strong donor area), they were very empathetic, they explained me the whole procedure will be totally different in much nicer way.

Before my arrival to HDC, I met 7 patients that had HTs by Dr. Maras, all looked great to me! 4 of the patients, had REPAIR HAIR TRANSPLANTS, and 2 of them were like myself customers that had a huge let letdown from the first agent that work with Arenamed, also I months over months learned a lot about hair transplants, the difference between Microscope  FUE, to Mini FUE to only eye using FUE, how to preserve grafts, why my first HT failed, how not to make scars, hair punch mm, ect...

When I arrived to Cyprus I felt much calmer compare to Istanbul, the apartment that HDC provided me was clean and modern.

The 2 days surgey by Dr. Maras went clean and easy, with small injections, no pain, no issues

I am now post 7 months since the REPAIR HT and I couldn't be happier with the results! Full hair with no scars as promised!

Dr. Maras and HDC team regained my confidence and youthful look, I HIGHLY recommend

*** If anyone want to ask and consult me, feel free to PM me privately ***

The pics will show you comparsion between 3000 Euros HT by Arenamed vs 6500 Euros HT by HDC. 

Wow, your 1 year results in Aramed is exactly the same as my 2nd procedure result with Darling Buds@5 Rivers Hair Transplant Centre in Chandigarh India. You are lucky you had a good repair done on your 2nd procedure. However it is frightening to have gone through  the whole experience during your first surgery. I had gone through a nightmare on my 2nd procedure with blackmailing by the doctors team when I shared my results here. 

Anyway wish you the best and keep rocking the new look

46 minutes ago, Dr Tejinder Bhatti said:

I have already given my end of the story to the Administrators here.

I will answer relevant to the questions you have put forth and answers to which I presume have already been conveyed to you. 

But for the benefit of the forum members let me reiterate-

1. Shera had complete access to mails concerning his jurisdiction as rep. But once its in my basket, he has nothing to do unless they need to be followed up. If there is a follow up I wish him to do, he already has all data. You cannot expect me to be doing surgeries and doing all the office work unassisted and then answering here as well. If there is an enquiry from US it goes to the US representative and so it is for Israel/Middle East and Australia. They comprise my office staff and get paid for it. This is how all offices in this industry work and is absolutely legal, not only in India but in every country in the world. Yes, if he were not working for me, and if he were a random person and I shared valuable patient information with him, it would have been completely illegal.

2. Shera is no longer the international representative at Darling Buds. Also his privileges have been revoked on this forum as well.

3. There is no shirking the responsibility for any result- good or bad. It is completely mine. I never said otherwise.

Remaining answers have been furnished already.

I will continue to hope you do not take legal recourse but give us a chance to serve you to your best interest.

 

Regards

 

@Dr Tejinder Bhatti

If Shera had all the access and he clearly abuse his role here it shows that there is lack of integrity, SOP and security within the the whole Darling Buds Centre. It happened with me now and it could happen tomorrow or next 5 years to someone else. However we are in real world where abuse, blackmails, threatening in business dealt with a right channel and I'm sure you know this as well.

Let me give you a real life example when Boeing had their 737 Max plane faulty, no one sued the engineer, but a legal action taken against Boeing.

Anyway if you had handle this case properly 1 year ago, and your patient representative did not black mail me and my former employers, we would not be having this conversation now. If you could really provide the medical support, I would have for sure go back for repair, as the main thing what I wanted was a decent results. The only reason I asked for a refund and refuse your offer for touch up because you could not convince me medically why the whole procedure failed. Again, your answers was I don't know and let's hope for the best. Let me ask you, is this fair for me ? 

Now, let me tell you the trauma I had to go through after your staff who blackmailed my employers. Although my employers was supportive that time, but it did effect me personally. After all this happened, how would someone trust you? If you were in my shoe would you allow me to do any surgery on you?

54 minutes ago, Dr Tejinder Bhatti said:

No one is gullible in today's world, Sir.

On the other hand I have learnt so much from my patients since I have been in practice and treated thousands. Any information is a mere click away. For instance, there is so much information available on this forum itself, it will take me or you a lifetime of reading.

Test grafting has its value, but in select cases only.

(I mentioned this not so you can trap me on every phrase that I write, but to give genuine advice.)

It is rarely indicated and definitely not in routine cases- cases done in seemingly clear cut situations. Like yours.

Though they were a routine 20 years back, today it is done only in burns,  and certain scarring alopecias.

However, when the second transplant does not appear to have made the difference, and 1000 eyes are on this thread, the stakes are quite high for a perfect result this time around. 

Skype consultations are useless for review. Good quality pictures are the best- which I already have with me.

Surgeons are not supermen, nor should they proclaim to be.

I caution patients in each and every video I publish. Out of every 10 people who consult me , I take up just 3. That is my average.

Have never given advice keeping commerce in mind. By the grace of God, I am reasonably affluent and I do not seek patients out.

One odd patient even in the best of situations will always be unhappy.

But bad results can always be set right. 

So I have been telling you since the very start. 

Do come back!

 

@Dr Tejinder Bhatti First of all it is a joke that you are saying that I'm trapping you on whatever you said here. I'm only clearing my doubts, asking you questions, and pointing out all the flip flop statements you are making from very start and how are you trying to avoid answering the IMPORTANT questions.

Now look at below which I asked you about your patients representative leaking out or having your patients confidential details. Why are you not answering or making it crystal clear on what has been asked? See below:

Are you trying to say all your patient representative was regardless where they are based at have access to all your patient enquiry which comes in DIRECTLY TO YOU ON YOUR EMAIL? You know I sent all the enquiry directly to your email and not through, website, social media? So all your patient representative can access any patient personal details and black mail them or threat them? That is possible right based on what you are saying? Is this how you protect your patient confidential details? Is this even legal in India under medical practice? Do you know that with this statement of yours you have broke the legal law, forget about this blog, do you think this justification is valid if there is a case against you legally? If you think it's ok, then you definitely breaking every law.  Perhaps you could answer this to legal and consumer right soon.

Now let me make it clear why I said you, and your team and everyone who thinks that you don't know what Shera was about to do is purely a FAKE LIE. On June 14 2019, Shera posted a reply here on my post that he clearly don't know who I am, or where I am from and even mentioned that I went directly to you and did not consult any patient rep.  If he had all your patients details at that time he don't have to say this. You can read this yourself on this thread 1st page. So at that time, he did not know who I was, before even replying to me, but you saying all your patient reps has every patient of yours details. So what is what now? 

Do you know by you making this kind of statement it put every doctors in India reputation at risk? Every patient who is considering India as one of the destination for their procedure would think 1000 times now even if other doctors are not behaving in this unethical way? Everyone from abroad would have doubts over the integrity of doctors in India and I know this is really not fair but this is what you are showing.

Now goes to the part on the results, if you think graft testing is only for severe cases, why did you have to mention above that this is what you would suggest? I am only quoting what you said. And out of 10 patients you consult, you accept 3 the average, so I believe I would have been in the 3 patients category which made you thought you could do a good job, and we all know its a bad job from you.

So having said that, what kind of accountability that you hold? If you don't know the cause how can you offer a touch up? Just doing an experiment?

Also, are you still going to work with Shera after all this mess?

10 hours ago, Jhonny said:

I am literally disgusted at Dr. Bhatti & Co behavior !!!!!

Like @Panamera13 said, Bhatti is lucky to be in India because in some other country he wouldn't go away with it so easily.

Refund should be given in goodwill!

I didn't quite understand what @Badresults 's employer has to do with all this? Can someone explain?

If everything I read is true, this is a great opportunity for the forum to gain trust and reputation and remove Bhatti from the recommended surgeons asap.

@Jhonny As you can see from all the post and @Dr Tejinder Bhatti admission, His patient representative @Shera sent a black mailing email to my former employers asking them to stop me from writing here and talking about my hair transplant result. If I did not do so, he would start tarnishing the company image and mine and he wants them to stop me ASAP. This is what @Shera wrote. And what is amazing @Dr Tejinder Bhatti is trying to justify his patient rep action here. Which in real world, anyone who does that face a prison.

3 hours ago, Dr Tejinder Bhatti said:

Before surgical hair restoration in males, eliciting history of illness is most important.

Only routine blood tests are done, but if there is a history of illness like anemia, hypothyroidism or diabetes, an array of other tests may be done and the procedure may need to be postponed.

Most people coming from abroad have got baseline tests done and so this is never a problem. Also if they have skin conditions, and we assume that they are truthful, they would have taken clearance from a local dermatologist for a hair transplant. This would have been conveyed to the hair transplant surgeon.

However, when it is a female suffering from hair loss, a large number of tests are mandatory even when she does not have symptoms. Since mostly, hair loss in women is hormonal.

If parameters of due care in technique are standard & constant, causes of sub normal hair growth after hair transplant can be :

1.       Underlying skin disorders (quiescent at time of procedure & history not provided)

2.       Scarring (the likely case with this patient). But his scarring is not dense as earlier mentioned (hence the mystery).

3.       Taking Finasteride before the procedure that masks miniaturising hair (video below)

4.       Not taking Finasteride after the procedure during the hair growth phase

5.       Excessive Smoking

These are the very basic reasons. Others are in the Video below and the videos linked to it in the Playlist.

The same can also be found at-

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/profile/11162-dr-tejinder-bhatti/?tab=field_core_pfield_10

 

 

@Dr Tejinder Bhatti Most people coming from abroad have got baseline tests done and so this is never a problem. Also if they have skin conditions, and we assume that they are truthful, they would have taken clearance from a local dermatologist for a hair transplant. This would have been conveyed to the hair transplant surgeon.

Question to you which I believe every non Indian patients or future patient who comes here would want to note it. Do you SPECIFICALLY ask your patients from abroad to do all the test and get clearance from dermatologist? Or you just accept it based on assumption? How can you 'assume' anything in your medical practice? I have never heard of any medical doctor would just assume anything without a proper test report done if he think it should. Also, yesterday you yourself mentioned that you only understood my case now. So..?

Now, before you accept my case why didn't you ask me to go for all the test. As you are  aware this is a repair case so you would need more details before accepting it? So why did you just blindly accept? Quick buck? You did not even spend 30 minutes looking at my head the day when you met me before surgery. It was barely 10 minutes, draw hairline, asked what type of results do I want, and how many grafts would it take, and ask me to go for blood test and your driver drops me off. This was what you REALLY did. Not like what you talk on all your videos which you religiously post , nothing was done like that 

5 hours ago, Dr Tejinder Bhatti said:

He was an office employee who worked for the office and collects, collates and marks mails and other queries on social media for me to answer. He is privy to all information of international clients other than North America and Australia.

He also handled the chat bot on the website for 2 years.

I have explained the position to the Moderator fully.

 

Its a mystery why it did not grow like was anticipated. The scarring was there but not dense as is common in repair cases & in this condition we  grow hair routinely well.

And he says he took Finasteride, so I am not sure what it actually was.

He should be taken up next only after test grafting

@Dr Tejinder Bhatti

He was an office employee who worked for the office and collects, collates and marks mails and other queries on social media for me to answer. He is privy to all information of international clients other than North America and Australia.

Are you trying to say all your patient representative was regardless where they are based at have access to all your patient enquiry which comes in DIRECTLY TO YOU ON YOUR EMAIL? You know I sent all the enquiry directly to your email and not through, website, social media? So all your patient representative can access any patient personal details and black mail them or threat them? That is possible right based on what you are saying? Is this how you protect your patient confidential details? Is this even legal in India under medical practice? Do you know that with this statement of yours you have broke the legal law, forget about this blog, do you think this justification is valid if there is a case against you legally? If you think it's ok, then you definitely breaking every law.  Perhaps you could answer this to legal and consumer right soon.

And would you still continue working with Shera?

its a mystery why it did not grow like was anticipated. The scarring was there but not dense as is common in repair cases & in this condition we  grow hair routinely well.

And he says he took Finasteride, so I am not sure what it actually was.

He should be taken up next only after test grafting

With your own admission here, that it is mystery, yet you asked me come in for a touch up without going into further details to investigate it? And hope for the best?Or you were just not interested to spend more time in finding out why and what went wrong? Since August 2018 - June 2019, have you even suggested me to go on Skype for you to take a closer look, no! I had to send you all the pictures monthly to ask you what is going wrong , and you don't have any answers. So you still think you provided support? I don't know if this is what you call a support?

Also, before you took up my case, you told me you could fix it. So why didn't you suggest me to do all the graft testing before coming to you? Isn't this what you as a Doctor should be doing? Or do patient have to figure out how to diagnose themselves and show the result to the doctor? Do you really think everyone is so gullible?

7 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Dear Community,

After reading the patients email string, and carefully reviewing both sides, I will say that I'm thoroughly disappointed by Dr. Bhatti's rep, what he did was completely uncalled for and in my opinion, his suspension is justified. I haven't seen any evidence that Dr. Bhatti was aware of the email, the dates are different, and it appears that Shera sent that email when he was mentioned in this thread, it seemed like an impulsive reaction.

I do see that Dr. Bhatti mentioned defending himself after the patient commented about speaking to YouTubers about his results. I don't like the choice of words, and I really think this could have been handled a lot better. I will need to speak to Dr. Bhatti about this issue. That said, I don't agree with refunds, especially when they're attached to non-disclosure agreements. Every hair transplant patient agrees to the risk of a failed procedure, there are no money-back guarantees. That is one of the reasons why I deter so many from having a hair transplant, because there is always a risk of looking worse and losing money. 

I will need more time to gather more information, I have been extremely busy, as I work a full-time job, and this has taken a large chunk of my time. I still have questions that need answered, so I will notify the community as I gather more information.

I don't think the refund now should have any NDA attached to it. The refund should be an action taken by the doctor after what has transpired. Now we are not only talking on the horrible results BUT with the black mailing, disclosing patient confidential details to patient rep. Yes every hair transplant patient agree that there is no money-back guarantees, but does every hair transplant doctor and their team threaten and blackmail the patient employers? Does every transplant doctor can share their patients personal details without their consent? Is this justified?

Also, How did Bhatti's rep got my personal details? why is this not being answered?

29 minutes ago, Panamera13 said:

Maybe other doctors on this forum can chime in or even the patients who might have experienced it before. 

What are the reasons that transplanted might NOT grow? There's no point of a repair when you don't know what the issue was. You might want go for 100 grafts next time to make sure they actually grow to confirm it was an implanting error on the doc. Do you any other skin conditions? Folleculitis or Lichen Plaopilaris

 

@Panamera13 exactly this is what I have been saying, why do a repair from same doctor when he himself could not explain the cause of failure or made any effort to know more. But over here I've been told that everyone deserve a second chances, which is mind blowing to know anyone could even suggest that a doctor deserve a second chance when the doctor do not know the cause of his own job failure.

On the question which you asked, no I don't have any skin conditions. The hair did grow on my right temple, but on frontal part there is just a thin hairline, just as how in the picture I posted. My crown area is all good, and I don't think I need a job done on it. Only the frontal hair line.

I was also told by one of the doctor who saw my results, its likely that it is not 2376 graft planted, much lesser around 1500 only which is why the density is low. However I can't take his word 100% until I get my self shown to few other surgeons,

23 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Guys, 

I’m waiting for more information from OP. We take these concerns very seriously, I’m waiting for the email correspondence from the physician, to see what was said or offered. We will review the facts closely and make a decision based on facts. 

As previously mentioned, I will no longer tolerate behavior that undermines our credibility or integrity. I have not been silent or done nothing, but part of my job is making sure the appropriate actions are taken based on evidence. 

If there’s evidence that the surgeon was not standing by the patient or was aware of his rep contacting his employer, well have to remove him without a doubt. That said, we need to review everything before making a decision. 

@Melvin-Moderator I have sent you the emails yesterday and I'm you have seen the email where @Dr Tejinder Bhatti talks about defending himself. This is just before @Shera sent out that email. Also, as you mentioned before, he claim he was in touch with up to recent, did he manage to show you the proof?

Also the million dollar question, did you ask @Dr Tejinder Bhatti how my personal details reached to @Shera. He was not my patient rep, he did not know me, so do I.

You would get all your answers and you would have a clearer picture with just 1 question.

20 minutes ago, Panamera13 said:

Well the doc came here and said - No Refund. wow. I didn't expect that.

Being a well known doc and having 1-2 bad cases out of 100's, not sure what he will gain by keeping that money. He'd probably lose more patients. So, I really didn't expect it.

Also, I thought the doc would explain the main ques - WHY are the results so bad? Was the procedure done incorrectly or OP had scalp issue or some other. I really would like to know why hair didn't grow.

@Badresults - What do you think went wrong and why hair didn't grow (other than anesthesia)

@Panamera13 this is what amaze me. If you look at his reply, he is trying to justify the action of his patient representative. Does he not know that only he can leak out a patient details to patient representative, who didn't know me.

Also, to answer your question, I have been asking him the same question before I started this thread 1 year ago, what went wrong? And he simply can't answer me and just ask me to come for repair and hope for the best. He himself doesn't know how would he answer. Also from his email above, he only understood my case now that is after 2 years of surgery, and when I made it public. 

I can't say what went wrong, because I was asleep 99% of time during asleep. So someone could have handled it differently or he could have assigned his tech to do whole procedure etc.. Which I don't know. Which is so strange, because he did not inform me prior to surgery that it would be a general anaesthesia.

17 minutes ago, Abi28 said:

Why would a rep act alone and blackmail a patient? Not only he is risking losing his job but he will get sued and the Clinic's reputation will take a huge hit, no rep in their own mind would act alone, what exactly is the rep gaining from this? going behind the doctor's back and blackmailing a patient? it's guaranteed that the doctor and the rep are aware of this since they work as a team. If this has happened at another top clinic in a different country not only would the rep get fired but the doctor will be sued and will have to refund the patient and pay more in damages, blackmailing someone is not a joke, this is absurd, the rep still works for the doctor, this is mind blowing. 

@BadresultsYou should speak to a lawyer and seek legal advice, I think this whole back and forth thing on the forum won't take you anywhere plus anything you say might be used against you if you decide to sue the clinic.

Exactly. I wonder how can  @Dr Tejinder Bhatti claim he don't know what @Shera was doing. Did he not know that only he had my personal details? How much more of lie he wants to fabricate. Oh and yes, @Dr Tejinder Bhatti is black mailing what you meant when you told me that you would have to 'defend yourself' when I said I've been asked by bloggers, or youtubers about my procedure from you? 

I'm still surprised how is @Dr Tejinder Bhatti still a recommended doctor over here. 

33 minutes ago, Dr Tejinder Bhatti said:

Dear All,

Sorry for the delay in replying.

The past 2 days have been hectic in trying to get the clinic onroad. With the lockdown easing out, equipment purchases are being made to comply with

strict governmental guidelines for surgeries in the post Covid era.

There is no doubt that Shera acted very impulsively in sending that mail. And I do not think he did the right thing.

After all such an e mail is only sent very impulsively and there must have been a provocation which made him act so. 

I am sure he  felt bad about it later. Shera surely did not consult me before posting the mail.

As for me and my representatives, we have been so busy in work, that if you see the forum, we have not been too active in the past around 2 years promoting the clinic.

Shera has been on the other hand following up on queries and lending support to those here who needed it.

Not that I have  not  been in touch with the patient personally.

We have several e-mail exchanges to-and-fro and I have supported him throughout the journey.

Cases do have outcomes like in his case and I have informed him that if ever he wishes, he could come over and I will do the repair.

Changing a surgeon every time you get a result which is sub par is not in your best interest.

Rest assured we do not work casually and do have a track record of giving results that have been praised very often on this Forum.

With one case a day, all care possible is imparted  to the patient.

And we do repair bad cases all the time. You can check-

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/profile/11162-dr-tejinder-bhatti/?tab=field_core_pfield_10

His is a redo case and one cannot always correctly assess the level of scarring when a patient is from  abroad.

(Also, in such cases 100% satisfaction never happens, it not being virgin skin.)

I do now understand his case well and empathise with him fully.

The clinic he is presently consulting with and which guides him, will only win brownie points through him!

Also, it is me who is more pained for him than he himself is. An unhappy patient is not a good thing to have. But then there are limits to which we can go to help.

We do not do backstage deals with unhappy patients and move on. Every thing is in the open.

Such threads have great utility on this forum and help patients in understanding that surgical hair restoration is not a perfect science.

There are a host of parameters not in the doctor's control. 

This said, I apologise to the community that this sordid saga had to happen; and that it was a  genuine impulsive mistake on the part of Shera.

 I know it undermines the prestige of my clinic which has taken a nasty hit.

But we will work tirelessly to set our reputation back on rail on this prestigious highly regarded Forum.

For now, I have a governmental inspection before we start work and i have to leave.

I remain committed to my patients like always.

Stay safe.

 

 

@Dr Tejinder Bhatti 

Finally after numerous post here and email sent to moderator finally you came out and replied, which look more like you are being forced to. Just like how when Shera replied last year which was the only reply came from your side and said that he is not going to talk anymore after that (I'm sure you have read his post) and then that's when the threatening email went out. We know when shit hit the fans and we have to come out from hiding.

So let's address all your points one by one which you have mentioned here and let's see how clear have you made to this community here and to myself.

1. There is no doubt that Shera acted very impulsively in sending that mail. And I do not think he did the right thing.

- So since you don't agree with him sending out the email and you know it is not the right thing, are you still going to work with him? Are you cutting all ties with him? What action have you took after what he did? If you think that the temporary suspension only on this blog is fine, then it's irrelevant. In a real world, out there if someone did this he would face a legal consequences. 

2. After all such an e mail is only sent very impulsively and there must have been a provocation which made him act so. 

I am sure he  felt bad about it later. Shera surely did not consult me before posting the mail.

Now this is best part, what could have been the 'provocation' that lead to what Shera did? By me posting my results here? Or by me replying to each of his point here, which made him angry? Now, question to you and @Melvin-Moderator, How did Shera know about my real name? How did Shera know about my email address? How did Shera managed to find me on social media platform? How could he have all this detail when I have never spoken to him before this or known about his existence, so how? This could only be possible if he was given the details, and @Dr Tejinder Bhatti only you have this details because I was your patient. So you still claim you don't know? Do you really think everyone is so gullible? Or do you need a real lawyer to question you this? If you gave the details, wasn't you aware that why is he asking? And din't you know it is illegal to share patient details without their consent? 

3. Not that I have  not  been in touch with the patient personally.

We have several e-mail exchanges to-and-fro and I have supported him throughout the journey.

 Your several email exchange was last on June 2019. And before that, I would only send you questions on why is result so bad, and I'm sure you know what was your reply been. You yourself didn't;t know what went wrong, or all you could say you don't know and lets try for second time and hope for the best, if it's still doesn't work you would not attempt a 3rd time. Do you think with a reply and answer as if you would want to do an experiment on your patient it would convince them? And is that a support you called?

4. Cases do have outcomes like in his case and I have informed him that if ever he wishes, he could come over and I will do the repair.

Yes everyone know that not all surgery will turn out good. You offered a repair on me, but you could not answer me a simple thing, what went wrong and why it did not work. You could only tell me you would hope for the best the next round and if it's still doesn't work you won't try 3rd round. This is what you told me, and with this do you think anyone in their right mind will agree to go back to the same doctor ever?

5. His is a redo case and one cannot always correctly assess the level of scarring when a patient is from  abroad.

(Also, in such cases 100% satisfaction never happens, it not being virgin skin.)

I do now understand his case well and empathise with him fully.

So you are saying that you could not access the level of scarring from previous surgery I believe when the patient is abroad. So question, why didn't you access me before the surgery when we met in your clinic? you only spent 10 minutes looking at me and asked me to do a blood check and come tomorrow morning for surgery. If you know there is no 100% satisfaction why did you accept the case? And on top of it, you only understand my case now well enough and not before accepting my case for surgery? So why didn't you inform before I land in India that the result won't be 100%. What you said if you take finestride you could expect up to 90% growth. So why did you accept a case which you did not fully understand? 

6. We do not do backstage deals with unhappy patients and move on. Every thing is in the open.

What do you mean by backstage deals? Give a refund, is that a backstage deal you meant? Also, wasn't you the one who told me that I should go get refund from my first doctor? Wasn't you the one who told me that doctors should refund for failed results? Wasn't you the one told me that going back to same doctor who had bad results from previous surgery is not a good thing? Also wasn't you the one who asked me to share my results on this blog and introduce me here? All this was during the consultation.. if you can remember.. So what is the backstage deals you are talking? Everyone knows already what is happening, it's only to what extend you want to be responsible with.

7.This said, I apologise to the community that this sordid saga had to happen; and that it was a  genuine impulsive mistake on the part of Shera.

Blackmailing is not an impulsive mistake. It was a planned action, he got all the details from yourself. So my question to you, without my consent why did you share my details to Shera? 

And why are you talking about your clinic reputation now? We are not here discussing how badly has it hit your clinic image. 

Lastly, I would get a legal advise now with the emails I have and perhaps consult the Indian consumer rights after the entire lockdown ends.