Scar repair with Micropigmentation - HIS HAIR CLINIC

[escar]

Hello everybody,

 

The following case is an example of how His Hair Clinic works when the objective is to eliminate an scar from a previous HT procedure with Strip method. In order to achieve this has been used the particular Micropigmentation procedure patented by His Hair.

 

BEFORE

 

 

AFTER

[tacolinowest]

I'm a huge fan of this method to fix strip scars,, love it

HIS hair clinc 1 - strip scar 0

[aaron1234]

Was the inking done just inside the scar or blended around the surrounding area?

[tacolinowest]

if you wanted to cut your hair short after a ht but cant becuz of the scar this would be a good solution i think, thats my plan if my scar is very visible (ihave bad/thin donor)

[scar5]

HIS hair clinc 1 - strip scar 0

 

Thanks tacolinowest.

 

i'm also interested in Aaron's question and I'd like to ask you..

 

What is HIS's position re. pigment color. Monochrome - shades of black?? Colours and tones???

[escar]

Hello,

 

I`ll explain regarding your questions,

 

 

Yes we blended MHT into the scar tissue as well as above and below the donor site area.

 

Regarding the colours, we have approximately 100 shades of different pigment colour and we select the appropriate colour depending upon the clients colour of skin, scar tissue colour, any remaining hair and density of hair.

 

Thank you,

[Blake Bloxham]

I think FUT scar repair is a good application for permanent SMP. Frankly, I think I'm still more comfortable with temporary SMP in other areas of the scalp, but I see the merit for permanent ink in this case.

[scar5]

Regarding the colours, we have approximately 100 shades of different pigment

 

Thanks but.....

Do you mean 100 shades of black or 100 distinct different colors...e.g. Browns?

Do you use brown?

There is a perception that permanent SMP is usually black. I don't assume it is. This fellow seems have black.

[hairthere]

Scar5, I have brown hair, but when it's buzzed down like this it appears black. I had SMP with Beauty Med and I'm certain Milena does not use black in her pigments. You cannot perceive any difference/contrast between my grown out hair and the SMP work.

 

escar, This looks good. I'm sure the patient is very happy!

[michaeljames]

Hello everybody,

 

The following case is an example of how His Hair Clinic works when the objective is to eliminate an scar from a previous HT procedure with Strip method. In order to achieve this has been used the particular Micropigmentation procedure patented by His Hair.

 

BEFORE

 

 

AFTER

 

Hello Escar,

 

We are initiating our services in SMP at our centers. It clearly has beneficial applications in medical hair loss solutions. Scar revision which is an area of speciality that we also provide is such an area. The work here is excellent and demonstrates the positive results that can be achieved with SMP. All the Best, Michael

[StaggerLee123]

There is a definite improvement. It seems as if the density of the SMP within the scar is much greater than the surrounding area resulting in a dark line. Also I would have seen the need to take care of his "train tracks" that are quite evident below the scar. Overall much better though.

[scar5]

Hairthere,

thanks. I also read Milena uses no black...I think Jotronic wrote that ..and he was categorical about it. That's why I wanna know about the HIS philosophy about black!

And that is why I ask the question...and I hope i get a reply.

 

You make an interesting point - it is quite befuddling actually..

 

1) Hair shaven down looks black

2) So Milena uses no black :confused:

3) So you grow out your hair

4) And you have no contrast issues:D

 

Now the NHI Rassman philosophy goes like this...

 

1) Hair shaven down looks black

2) So we use black

3) And expect you to understand that SMP is for buzz

4) But if you grow out your hair:confused:

 

And what about HIS????

 

Please Mr HIS, reply to my question. Do you use brown, or is your 100 shades really 100 monochrome shades of black?

 

..and what is your philosophy for this?

[scar5]

HIS hair clinc 1 - strip scar 0

 

My question to HIS about Brown Tone 1 - Answer received 0

[escar]

Hi scar5, is not necessary to be sarcastic, I was busy the last couple of days and had no time to check the forum and to reply to your question, next time if you have any urgent question you can send me an email and I will reply during the next 24 hours

 

Regarding your questions about colours.

 

We do use a variety of colours (sometimes brown (not very often) and different types of pigment / ink, it depends on what the client wants to achieve a now and in the future. We try to future proof what we do for the client and we too can make our treatment semi-permanent, although not many clients want a semi-permanent solution, particularly when we can remove pigment easily with our laser machines should someone wish to modify their hairline or remove the pigment in its entirety.

 

Thank you.

Edited February 9, 2013 by escar

[escar]

Thank you guys for all the comments.

 

Cheers.

[scar5]

 

Regarding your questions about colours.

 

We do use a variety of colours (sometimes brown (not very often) and different types of pigment / ink

 

Thank you for answering my question. I jumped the gun, sorry for being rude. I thought it was another case of, 'here we go again"

 

So you use brown, but sometimes only.

Does anyone find this odd? Brown is the most common hair color, black can look bluefish and finally, as readers of this board might know,, Milena, who is getting all the praise around here, seems to use brown all the time.

 

I have read that brown is a tricky color.and prone to fading badly, revealing unexpected color in the process. Just another reason for temporary, because the whole thing will fade before a color disaster results. And, one canget away with using brown!

[escar]

Hi Scar5,

 

HIS Hair Clinic have met Milena, she came to visit us at our Birmingham clinic back in 2011, she was from a permanent make-up / micro pigmentation background hence the company name beautyMedical.

 

 

The following two sentences are taken from the two top permanent make-up company websites in the UK.

1. Semi-permanent make-up or permanent cosmetics is achieved in by infusing hypo-allergenic specialist pigments into the dermal layer of the skin, where they remain all day, every day.

The results fade gradually over 2-3 years, with a “colour boost” recommended 15 months after the initial application – to maintain a fresh appearance.

 

2. How long does it last for?

As your skin rejuvenates, the pigments will gradually fade over a period of up to two years. I recommend that you have a colour boost every 12 to 18 months to keep your look fresh.

When we use brown pigments we use semi permanent brown colours like Milena would use and any other cosmetic permanent make up artist/practitioner would use.

 

 

 

The reason we don't use brown pigment very often is simple, most of our clients have a very short hair style post their SMP procedure, either shaven or buzzed with a clipper with no guard or 0.5m. Brown hair cut at this length does NOT look brown hence why we don't use brown colours very often.

 

I hope this will clarify.

[scar5]

The reason we don't use brown pigment very often is simple, most of our clients have a very short hair style post their SMP procedure, either shaven or buzzed with a clipper with no guard or 0.5m. Brown hair cut at this length does NOT look brown .

 

Escar,

Thank you my man. Now we are talking.

Milena uses no black. Absolutely never black, zero black...but,

many of her patients buzz or have the shaven look . These buzzed skinhead guys she is doing do not look unnatural. At least that is the way it looks from the pics. I know..!!

 

But what do you suppose is going on there?

 

Rassman uses only Black. Only black. 100%

 

What you are saying is that brown doesn't last, plain and simple, because it is semi-permanent.

And black, is permanent.

 

Well Escar, I guess my question is this. What makes the blueish look? Is it black or does brown also give off that blue?

 

Perhaps, just perhaps, Milena can get away with brown - and avoid that blueish look, only and simply because it fades so fast?

Edited February 12, 2013 by scar5

[escar]

Escar,

 

Well Escar, I guess my question is this. What makes the blueish look? Is it black or does brown also give off that blue?

 

 

 

Black tattoo ink, deposited too deeply is the major cause of producing a bluefish look, particularly if the make-up of the ink has a lot of copper.

 

Its not a question of Brown pigment fading out quickly so it won't turn blue, it's more to do with the metals in the ink/pigment are less prone to turn blue.

[scar5]

Alright, I give you this Mr Escar.

Four brilliant ideas for you to make trillions of dollars/pounds/dracmas etc..

 

Just get me a pizza and a few beers for my wisdom.

 

make an ink that is -

 

Idea #1

A Black Ink

Free of copper (so no blue)

Idea #2

A brown ink that is free of copper (so no blue)

Idea #3

A brown ink that is stable and suitable for use at the upper dermis level, hence more permanent

Idea #4

Consider that Milena's buzzed patients (with brown) look way better than buzzed me (with black- and a nice dose of blue splotches) and that people like me desire anything but black, because the grey hue from black looks blue too easily.

 

In short Escar, I got black and I look blotchy and blue - not your fault and it is fading. For my next round, I intend to research and research hard core. I will get to the bottom of this. I have de meanz and de vays!!

[scar5]

Hi Scar5,

....

When we use brown pigments we use semi permanent brown colours like Milena would use ..

 

I hope this will clarify.

 

I have to clarify this. It is not clarified for me, in the least. It is frustrating and confusing.

 

And I think it is essential for anyone interested inSMP to clarify this.

 

Milena uses brown.

HIS usually use black.

HIS occasionally use brown, but only when it is temporary.

 

So.....

We conclude brown is temporary.

 

But..could brown be used in a more permanent way?

 

I didn't get temporary.

My head looks like it has been dipped in grey paint.

I wanted a brown tinge.

 

I was given no choice. i was told shaved heads look black. HIS escar also said that th rationale for black at HIS clinics is also based on this.

Milena has shaved patients with good results and did not use black. This does not concur with Escars and my SMP guys rationale that black suits skinheads.

 

 

I don't like the color of my SMP. I would not recommend it. It was a weak diluted black, but it looks grey, even occasionally busy blotchy. I conclude the reason that so many SMP patients look ridiculous is because they used back on fair skin.

 

I conclude that black is not good for people like me, with a pale complexion. I think HIS and other companies that use grades of black on fair people like me have got it wrong.

 

But I cannot establish whether brown or tones will work in a way that makes it feasible to have longer lasting SMP.

[escar]

Do you know what it is frustrating? that I created this thread to show the result of an SMP in a scar but instead to comment about the result on the scar, you thought that this was the right place to complain about your own treatment and to request explanations to HIS HAIR about how it works the whole industry and even complaining if we didnt replied asap, and I think that this is not correct. If you have complains then you can open a new thread and ask to your clinic about every detail of your procedure that in your opinion was wrong, but I think that it is not fair to request to HIS HAIR for explanations about the colours that we use and how we use, or to compare us with other clinics or to request explanations about your own case because in first place, we don?t know the details of your procedure and how the treatment was done, and second, we are not responsible for procedures made by other clinics, obviously.

 

 

This is my personal opinion and not necessarily express the clinic's collective view.

[Spanker]

Do you know what it is frustrating? that I created this thread to show the result of an SMP in a scar but instead to comment about the result on the scar, you thought that this was the right place to complain about your own treatment and to request explanations to HIS HAIR about how it works the whole industry and even complaining if we didnt replied asap, and I think that this is not correct. If you have complains then you can open a new thread and ask to your clinic about every detail of your procedure that in your opinion was wrong, but I think that it is not fair to request to HIS HAIR for explanations about the colours that we use and how we use, or to compare us with other clinics or to request explanations about your own case because in first place, we don?t know the details of your procedure and how the treatment was done, and second, we are not responsible for procedures made by other clinics, obviously.

 

 

This is my personal opinion and not necessarily express the clinic's collective view.

 

 

Woah here. First of all, you should probably check the attitude. You have 17 posts, you are a company representative, and you are already acting unprofessional. If I were your boss I would not like what is going on there.

 

I agree that you should not have to answer questions about Melina, but you should answer questions about the inks your company uses and your company's standards. I assume that you are representing the company that you work for, and if so you should probably operate that way. Something like:

 

"Scar5, I can not speak for Melina or any other clinics, but this is how we do ours: insert explanation." Or, "Hey, I can explain to you in detail if you call me or PM me."

 

SMP is new to many people and the reason for this forum is to give the pt's the best possible outcome. Frankly, we have all seen some pretty crappy SMP work, even from your clinic. Your company may have been made gains that some of us don't know about. If you think that you can come on this board, say, "Hey, look what I can do!" , and not get questioned on the result, you came to the wrong forum. Showing a result and getting annoyed because someone is asking you questions is not going to cut it here. Try acting like you are on the job when posting on this board, because you are.

[escar]

Hi Spanker, I think you are right, I should have been more professional here, it was a bad day.

 

For any more questions I'm at your disposition.

 

Thank you.

[Arrie]

Scar 5 sorry to hear about your experience with SMP i hope you can get some answers and hopefully fix the issue. I am looking at SMP but only the Temp kind Milena Lardi....

 

Spanker well said buddy and you have many valid points in that post...

 

Escar I can't really say anything else that Spanker hasn't said but I have to give you credit, when someone can admit they did something wrong, kudos.....

 

Now for the explanations......