Best FUE Drs for advanced balding 5-6

[scar5]

Sparky, yes, he just asked who is a good doctor for advanced balding and FUE.

Plain and simple.

 

I am so glad he is sticking to his own counsel and not listening to the inevitable avalanche of 'do strip, FuE suits small jobs, Dr Feller says so, show me results of big FUE,bla bla..'

 

Good call Sparky.

 

I just hate to see wisdom like that attacked by the strip industry and it's well wishers.

Spanker, you dissapoint me! Asking for that old hackneyed but effective line, 'show me the results' is exactly the kind of rhetoric I fight against and go to great pains to explain why such an approach is backward and destructive.

 

Please understand, there are not so many big 'home run' results with FUE and advanced balding yet, for reasons which have nothing to do with the efficacy of FUE as a long term strategy for advanced balding. You would know these reasons are plausible with just a cursory glance at the matters the history of HT. It has nothing whatsoever to with the parameters a guy should weigh up when considering their path. nor it should.

 

It is not a FUE vs strip argument. When people ask,what is the best train to catch.Some will inevitably jump in say, why don't you drive?

 

Future HT doctor. I am so glad to enlighten you as to some fundamental HT history, even a beginner would know! Lol I hope u take that in the righty spirit ol boy!

[HARIRI]

I agree with SCAR5. Sooner or later, these FUE haters will be forced to accept it when Aderans or Histogen comes into market and that an average hair loss sufferer just need a hairline job around 2000-3000 grafts only.

 

Sometimes big surgeons need to develop the technique and follow the market demand. For lazy surgeons who find FUE damn hard to perform, well there are many ways making it easier, for example check out the ARTAS robot and Jamis Harris SAFE system which can extract double amount of grafts withing same frame of time.

 

The member clearly asked for best FUE doc for NW5 or NW6, so lets stick to this. If anyone finds it impossible then do not post otherwise he would get confused!!!

[sam1870]

Thank you Scar and sparky and Hariri, you are all to the point and certainly we don't need the confusion, my belive is firm and I will not change, I will not have my head opened and stitched simply to have extra 1000 grafts, also if I had only the strip procedure avaialbe I would just shave my head and forget it........... honest people who experienced strip like sparky are rare, some people want you to face what they faced but others are honest to advise not to do so.....

[onejoseph]

would be very interested in seeing pictures if possible

 

Many Thanks

 

ej

 

I'm attaching a picture I just took. Please note that I am only 9 days out from procedure (finished last Friday P.M. the 3rd of Aug 2012). You can see some of the new implants (2200 in total) in the crown area and also see evidence of previous plug and strip work on the sides of my head. Hairline in front of ear and on top of head is from previous year's work. Beard area is still a bit raw but previous experience indicates that will dissipate soon. I'm planning on some fill-in work next year.

Joe

[England]

Visual scarring and sub scarring that you can't see but make your second and third ht's harder to harvest by fue therefore damaging grafts more because of the scar tissue that is in the entire dht resistant area.

 

I'll make a deal, for every patient pic homerun result of 2,500 grafts or bigger from fue, I will post 2 fut home runs from around the same period. It is not scientific, but it is the best "Money where your mouth is" comparison I can think of if we are talking about big cases.

 

 

Few comments:

 

1 - There are very few cases of repeat FUE or strip-after-FUE with which to evidence your 'scar tissue' claim. Scar tissue can affect the yield in the recipient area (for both FUE and strip) but I haven't seen any evidence that FUE affects the growth or transplant suitability of hairs surrounding the extraction sites. That there is scarring around extractions doesn't mean it affects the extraction of future grafts.

 

2 - The FUE comparison you suggest is flawed for several reasons:

 

- Far more operations, globally, are strip, than FUE. Much more than 2x so.

 

- Part of the reason for this is that FUE is significantly more expensive so not an option for lots of people. The additional expense of FUE also means that the majority of FUE's which do happen are smaller.

 

- Another reason for this is that there are fewer surgeons practising FUE.

 

- Surgeons in the US are not legally allowed to enlist the help of technicians while performing extractions. Since FUE takes a long time, this means that they physically cannot do operations above 2,500 without suffering exhaustion and over several days. This is the real reason why several 'well regarded' US surgeons do 'not recommend' large scale FUE - they simply can't perform them for legal reasons. Of course, this can be marketed as an advantage 'the surgeon performs all the extractions' but the reality is a team of fresh, specialized technicians rotating will achieve a better result than 1 single surgeon who has a whole host of tasks to complete working for several hours straight (and better than automated tools).

 

- FUE is more difficult than FUT. It is much more significant with FUE that you go to one of the top top surgeons. This means that there are far fewer capable FUE surgeons (even of those which perform FUE) and this lessens the 'pool' for information.

 

- Finally, this forum is known (rightly or wrongly) as pro-strip, the majority of users on this forum end up with strip so that will skew the results even further.

 

FUE is, in the right, hands, about 95% as good as FUT in terms of yield, according to the numerous surgeons I spoke with, with the obvious advantage that you don't have a large strip scar. The problem is it's more expensive, highly specialised, requires a higher calibre of surgeon, takes longer, and is therefore practised much, much less. This is the reason for the lack of case studies, not that the methodology doesn't work.

 

Having had both a strip and a large (>2,500 FUE) I feel I am in a relatively unique position to assess the pro's and con's of both. So far I am delighted with the yield from my FUE, as I was with my strip. The difference is I can't feel the constant tugging from the strip which stayed with me for years after my strip. I also didn't extend my scar into an ear-to-ear line, which I am very happy about.

Edited August 12, 2012 by England

[Blake Bloxham]

 

Future HT doctor. I am so glad to enlighten you as to some fundamental HT history, even a beginner would know! Lol I hope u take that in the righty spirit ol boy!

 

And what would that history lesson entail? Frankly, I feel as if I'm fairly well versed in the field, and I'm curious as to whether or not this would entail actual information or if this is simply an off-hand comment made to aggressively push your point of view and belittle any other.

 

Up to now, I feel as if I've been extremely fair and civil, and allowed you to share your point of view without any sort of moderation input. What's more, I don't feel like the respect and civility I've shown toward you has been returned at all. However, as the thread continues to unfold, I'm really starting to see a pattern of disrespect, bullying, and misinformation, and I'm not going to allow it to continue.

 

As I stated before, I think your experience and point of view are unique and valuable, but you've made your point. If you would like to continue to participate in this thread, I ask that you do it respectfully.

 

This is my first and last comment on this matter, and, like you said earlier, I hope you take it in the right spirit.

 

Carry on.

Edited August 12, 2012 by Future_HT_Doc

[Blake Bloxham]

Guys,

 

As of now, I think this thread is taking a "turn for the worst." Frankly, the thread is tipping to the point where good discussions are normally ruined and, unfortunately, closed and locked. Because the original poster has a legitimate question and brought an interesting topic to light, I don't want the unfortunate "lock and close" to occur.

 

So, from here on out, let's only focus on one topic: the best FUE physicians for NW V-VI balding scale.

 

Now, I'll be the first to admit that I participated in some off topic content as well, but regardless, I think putting this aside will help the thread continue nicely.

 

Thanks. If anyone has any questions or concerns, please feel free to send me a private message.

[Sparky]

If everyone had just concentrated on answering his questions instead of making this into another fut vs fue thread, there would of been no controversy.

 

I thought he made it quite clear in his original post that he only wanted fue.

 

sam1870, what I think you should do is do a lot of research on this forum and other forums and use internet search engines, and then ask people what they think of specific fue performing Dr's.

 

 

I will always be happy to give you my honest opinion.

[sam1870]

Well that was done, and even with this off topic discussions I have gained benefits from people sharing there experiences and no harm was done. So it is alll good, and no problem who advise strip or not, I am stubbern I am will not have a knife in my head and will only use FUE or nothing, anyway, it is all good and I hope I get some real feed back on who is best FUE dr worldwide whcih it seems I have not got to yet....

[Sparky]

Dr Bisanga in Brussels, Dr Umar in Redondo Beach L.A, Dr Keser in Turkey, Dr Lorenzo at Injertocapilar.

[Sparky]

They might not all be willing to do a NW6/7 restore but they are all very good at fue.

[HARIRI]

Sparky, I agree with the names you mentioned. However I don't think Keser is one of them, he is a bit coward when it comes to large sessions plus doesn't accept repair cases, over conservative and extracts grafts outside the universal donor area which was the main reason why he wasn't accepted to be recommended here.

 

Lorenzo, Bisanga and Umar are the BIG 3 in FUE and 3 of them are practicing Manual FUE.

[Sparky]

I've seen a repair case from him where he grafted a scar, and I did mention that not all of those names would do a big case.

 

Actually I have seen a few repair cases from him.

[sam1870]

Mr Hariri, you are correct about Kesser I sent him my pictures and he is not willing to do it, also he is not a Specialized in hair restoration, he does breast implants and all kind of cosmetic procedures ........ he is good for small eybrow job etc.........

[sam1870]

Dr Rahal accepted to do FUE for me, 6000 grafts devided over 3 sessions 6 month apart, but he is very expensive, however after I re searched and asked him, I found out he doesn't do manual FUE and needle placement, rather he uses micrometer machine and lateral slits, which is not in my interest,

[Blake Bloxham]

Sam,

 

Did Rahal mention whether or not he wanted to use the ARTAS? Regardless, 6,000 grafts should provide significant coverage and help you achieve your goal with FUE.

 

Additionally, I think Dr. Umar would be a good choice, and, if you haven't already, you may want to consider Shapiro Medical, Dr. James Harris, Dr. Feller, and (if traveling isn't a problem), Dr. Feriduni in Belgium.

 

Furthermore, I'm glad to hear you were able to learn from the thread discussion. This is the most important thing. Again, I apologize if the thread became too unfocused at times or if the atmosphere ever changed from one of helping a patient to one of tangential arguing. It seems like we're back on track now.

[Blake Bloxham]

Also, I didn't know Dr. Keser performed other cosmetic procedures. While this isn't necessarily a negative thing, and I think some of his large FUE cases speak for themselves, I had always assumed he performed hair restoration exclusively.

 

Did he explain why he passed on your case?

[sam1870]

Well Dear Future, here is the email I got from Dr kesser from derma plast, I will copy and past exactly as he sent it, also I am not even a class 6 yet, I am class 5 now pushing to 6.

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

 

Considering the stage of your hairloss pattern unfortunately we will not be able to be of assistance to you using the FUE technique as we only operate FUE.

 

Regards,

 

Ozgur Ersoy

Derma-Plast

[sam1870]

Future when you said Coward you described him well, he did not even ask what I needed, what if I needed only to do my front and top only? he should at least ask. Well like you said coward is the word to describe him, thus I would remove him from the list.

[Sparky]

Didn't know he used micrometer machine and lateral slits. Good call to only consider Dr's that only do HT's. Would not trust my head with Arty the robot though.

[Blake Bloxham]

Future when you said Coward you described him well, he did not even ask what I needed, what if I needed only to do my front and top only? he should at least ask. Well like you said coward is the word to describe him, thus I would remove him from the list.

 

Hi Sam,

 

I feel like I need to clarify a few things here:

 

First, I didn't call anyone a "coward." Frankly, I'm not sure where you got this from, but I definitely did not say it. What's more, while Dr. Keser may not be recommended by our community, I know he's a very proficient FUE practitioner and I've been impressed by his work in the past.

 

Passing on a case does not make a physician a coward. In many cases, it simply means they are acting ethically. If a physician knows he/she cannot provide the utmost standard of care, it's usually an ethical decision to pass. The other option is to take the uncertain case, provide substandard results, accept the full fee, and leave patients with poor results. To me, this is a negative thing, and definitely NOT what Dr. Keser is doing.

 

If you can find the portion of the thread where you think anyone called him a "coward," I would appreciate the opportunity to review the content.

 

Second, as of now, Dr. Keser is not recommended by our community, so I cannot remove him from any list.

 

Hope this clears a few things up.

[Sparky]

He's talking about someone else in the thread Blake, think he just put your name instead of theirs by mistake.

 

I have seen some really good results from Dr Keser despite what method he uses, the fact they he turned it down means he's not all about the money, as he could just take your money and do what you want, but he may feel that you won't achieve what you are aiming for.

[aim4hair]

Dr Rahal accepted to do FUE for me, 6000 grafts devided over 3 sessions 6 month apart, but he is very expensive, however after I re searched and asked him, I found out he doesn't do manual FUE and needle placement, rather he uses micrometer machine and lateral slits, which is not in my interest,

 

So 2000 graft maximum in each sesion with 6 months waiting in between L

This is intresting since i was under the impression that Rahal does bigger FUE sessions. Did he explain why he is advising this approach. ??

[aim4hair]

IMHO openion, Dr. Keser is one of the best FUE doctors in the world. However, there are some communication issues when consulting with him.

It took his team months to reply to my emails after so many follow-ups emails i sent, which was really annoying.

[HARIRI]

SAM1870

 

Me too I had the same issue, a very short unprofessional Email...

 

Dear Dr.***** ******,

 

Thank you for your emails.

 

Considering your previous surgeries unfortunately we will not be able to be of assistance to you.

 

Regards,

 

Ozgur Ersoy

Derma-Plast

I just had 4500 grafts via strip and Dr. Rahal estimated that I could do another 4000 via FUE. Dr. Lorenzo, Bisanga, Feriduni, Rahal and Shapiro all welcomed me for a FUE procedure ONLY Keser refused. I think he is only into virgin scalps and easy jobs without any challenges. Probably because he is a cosmetic doctor and not a solid HT surgeon. I just consulted him because of his cheap FUE rate EURO 3.5 per graft. However I understand now why the network refused recommending him.