Euphoria

Wow, I received a warning for “spamming” for my post in this thread despite the OP agreed with me about his donor being butchered. I was really happy about finding this forum that’s neutral and wants the best of the patients but after the warning, It leaves a bad feeling in my mouth. What did I say that is spamming or untrue? His donor area is murdered and he will require repair work. If I saw him in real life, I will get my fear of patterns triggered ( it is a real condition) because it looks moth eaten. What wrong have I said that I deserve a warning? Have I lied? I can’t give my opinion? Would I have received a warning if I scolded the patient and praised the clinic? No but saying something bad about clinic has earned me this warning. Whatever, I am glad if I receive a warning or get banned it will be because

Update?

Update?

Curious to see how this turns out, keep the updates coming! 😃

FUT is when they make a horizontal cut in back of the head from side to side which leaves a small linear scar. FUE is when they take each follicle individually from the back and plant it as front. DHI is same as FUE except with fue, they make an incision (a hole) in the recepient area then take the hair follicle and implant it in the incision. With DHI they put the hair follicle in implanter pen and implant it in recepient area in one go ie no need for making separate incision and then implanting, it’s done in one go with the implanter pen. The benefit is less bleeding, supposedly more graft survival etc. The thing is surgeon skill still matter and graft extraction and time outside body still matters. If they damage the graft during extraction, dhi or fue doesn’t matter. And if they keep the graft outside body for a long time, graft survival would still be less. So in the end, a great surgeon is what matters. DHI is a better method generally

For such a small number of grafts, you wouldn’t have this issue even at many hairmills. What’s worse in your case is you paid for the top tier most expensive package, had the doctor operate on you, did the extractions herself and still end up with this moth eaten donor, the absolute horrible thing of fue that can happen is this horrible donor result ie moth eaten looking donor, triggers my fear of patterns yuck. Absolutely ridiculous that it happened with such a small graft number. Without seeing the donor, I was honestly thinking it was somewhat OK, so you didn’t get perfect temples despite the expensive package but you got great growth at hairline so it could be forgiven but then saw your donor and wow, I haven’t seen this bad donor on many hairmills. I feel sorry for you mate, I said a few days ago I was worried about eugenix they might be giving less care to their cheaper package and local patients and focusing more on the expensive package patients and was quickly reprimanded by a member here for even suggesting this but I wasn’t expecting this by a doctor. Hair growth, angles is somewhat unpredictable but graft extraction is not.

Check out Dr Taleb Burgothi in Jordan. Might be closer to you and he’s a recommended doctor here. I don’t know much about him and he has no bad results posted here though very few of his patients have posted here. Seems solid work though!

Can you please answer my earlier question and show me botched/butchered results of Dr Yaman? I have been considering him abut your comments makes me think I might have missed something

Can you mention those botched/butchered cases? He is recommended by this forum, surprised to see your comment like this here

Posting here just so i can find it again. interested in this doctor’s results and if maybe I should consider him (high Norwood case here)

So the docs operate at even lower packages? Someone posted here that at lower end of packages the techs operate without doctors involvement but you’re giving opposite info. Seems I have been misinformed then, I’ll edit my post.

You do appear a Norwood 7 because the side humps are gone but it’s hard to tell with a shaved look like that. But your donor appears higher up so maybe a Norwood 6 Also can’t see your beard density which will be important. I am a Norwood 6 and I plan to go for a HT as well one day ( lots of hurdles atm, visa, money etc,) these are the doctors I have saved for my list. Bicer, Demirsoy, Pekiner, Keser, HLC, Bisinga, Taleb Burgotti. Will choose either when the day comes. Some of the names this forum recommends are too expensive or out of reach for me. Anyway you’re certainly not hopeless especially if you’ve a lot of body hair. Get a hairline going, get some coverage over your head and you can use hair fibers etc.

There’s a reason for the shed, you can’t stop the shed. It’s just a process of hair growth. I haven’t read in the hair cycle of the the newly transplanted hair and the whole biochemical processes it goes through but I can imagine when it’s plucked from its home, exposed to harsh environment outside for minutes to hours then implanted at a new home, it must go through massive changes, to gain nutrients, gain blood supply, repair the damage it received, get accustomed to its new home, get the nutrients then start growth again. Whatever growth it had ie the hair you see outside, it must have already detached from that and start a new phase of growth free from damage which is the shed phase if it’s lucky enough to survive. I imagine there must be an immune component to it too, our immune system recognising that it is self and not some foreign entity. There must be so much going on molecular level. So yeah I think it’s not possible to not have a shedding phase. And to speed up the healing you do the same as you do for any other part of the body. Rest, get required nutrients and wait.

Like every organ in your body, as you age the organs become less resilient and all the damage they took on for years in youth start to show up. Your hair follicles in youth could sustain a lot of damage from DHT and regenerate itself. Over time that adds up, they get older and less capable of taking the damage they could in younger years. This is why even though the androgens are less in numbers, they still have the same effect and hairloss continues. Kids can heal their bones at an exponential speed, then it gets a little worse in teens then in twenties then in thirties even worse. In fourties and afterwards, what took days or weeks to heal takes years to heal. That’s how massive the difference is. Whatever Norwood your genes are destined to, it’s going to happen whether at 30 or 80. You can delay the process with drugs but it’s a fight with genes and unless you deactivate those genes (hopefully one day) they will win.

The options you listed are good. Add Pekiner, Keser as well who are around the same budget and have good reviews. However if you can maintain your current hair on meds, save up some money and go for the more expensive ones since you’re clearly heading for norwood 6 Also don’t do big sessions.

Without finasteride, there won’t be one HT That’s what happened to all the celebrities you mentioned, they didn’t take any medication and lost the native hairs

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gp-suspended-for-lying-about-qualifications/ZCLOSTJBKIAP7LEKMVUQET3N7I/

You can use 0.2-0.5mg fin every other day. I have been using it like this for a year now.

What Norwood are you?

This is a useless crappy study and doesn’t help anything. You can style the hair of the same person different ways and appear to have different levels of hairloss. The proper way would’ve been to analyse it with microscopes and those things the doctors have, they’re the only objective assessment tools without any bias and can see minitiarization too which is the aim of this study to see if the hair became susceptible to DHT. No other attention need to be paid to it.

I wish there were more patient posted results though. Not just for him but other doctors too. Makes you go through their life journey, what the experience was like etc etc His results are insane though especially for higher norwoods. I hope I get to meet him one day

Seems to be recovering well

Weird, your transplanted hairs from first HT have died or maybe the graft density wasn't a lot with first HT?

Apply topical minoxodil on the donor areas at least and ones with shock loss. I have seen more doctors prescribe minox than not. No clue about the recipient area but the donor area should definitely be helped with minox. There are a few cases of shock loss on this forum, some even worse and they all seem to have recovered.

The only thing that I have read is smoking seriously hinders healing and the results you will get from a HT. This is a case with every surgery, some bone surgeons (orthopaedics) don’t even consider surgery on smokers because the bone just doesn’t heal and the surgery is useless. Rest of the stuff doesn’t matter. Just have multivitamins and healthy food that helps with healing process.