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That’s sketchy 🤨

Actually no, I think with celebrities the clinics don’t treat them like an average patient so even an average clinic will give outstanding results for them They don’t need to do research like us 🥲

3k is a lot of grafts. What a waste. You should mention the clinic name so others can find your post and know to stay away. Your donor is also B word

Keep us updated. I am interested about Bicer results

Trouble with that is his hair would change appearance drastically to super dense with hairpiece then his natural hair would look completely different with HT. It’s hard to hide something like that and a huge commitment once you’re seen with a hairpiece. I only wear hair concealers and it’s a struggle because now the people who have seen me with toppik will be shocked to see my thinned bald head then again with toppik. That beats the whole purpose of using hair concealers. Just think he should be aware of the commitment both hairpieces and concealers require more so hairpieces because you become a nw0 and then can’t go to a balding nw3 or 6 or whatever he is right now. Even you said you let everyone know you’re wearing a piece so the pressure was off

Dr Turan , Bicer, HLC

I believe only doctors that pay the inclusion fee get included in this forum recommended list but he’s high rated. As for Turkey, I would feel comfortable with Dr Turan, Dr Bicer, HLC their gloveless technique is great and the other high rates are Demirsoy, Pekiner and keser though i haven’t seen their technique so can’t say. Dr Gur is also recommended but again haven’t seen his technique. Dr Bisinga in Belgium is also great though very expensive.

It seems the high rated surgeons don't place grafts on gloves anymore and either use a choi pen or take the grafts from the solution direct before implanting to avoid drying. I am sure you get good results but it's still exposing the grafts to risk.

Looking good so far, the real growth will start from now

I disagree with this statement. Hairloss is a deformity and your life suffers extremely badly with it. I wish I cared about my hair when it wasn't so bad but I neglected it and not focus on it.

Afro hairs are tricky due to difficult extraction from what I read. So you need a doctor that is good with extractions. The only budget options I know are in Turkey, Dr Turan, Dr Bicer have good technique, other docs that have good ratings are dr gur, hlc, Demirsoy, Pekiner, keser I don’t know how they are with Afro hair though, all the European ones are so expensive. Dr Bisinga is exceptional and dr mwamba is also known for Afro hair (had a really bad growth with one Afro patient here though) but they’re the most expensive docs There are other good doctors but they will break your bank and you only have 6k budget so Turkey seems your only option where you will have a decent result and not get butchered

Minox is a scalp irritant, I would avoid it for at least one or two months

I checked his method and he uses a Choi pen it seems without the gloves. You’re going to have a good result for sure. check out my thread I recently made to understand what I am talking about

Seen Demirsoy and Keser recommended often, no clue about the others you mentioned.

Yeah, people with lower norwoods don’t need to worry so much, they have so much donor zone, even a mediocre surgeon with mediocre survival rates will give good results. Plenty of lower norwoods come out happy from hairmills for this reason. I was researching this for myself since I am nw6 and every follicle is important for me 😁 Did some more digging and Dr Pitella also uses a pen (not sure if custom or the dhi Choi pen) and no gloves method. He has some amazing results posted here of high norwoods, also does dense packing. H&W which are highly rated here (haven’t seen their results personally) use a really weird ring type thing lol it must be wet for follicle to be happy in though I can’t really tell. So far the doctors known for great results with higher norwoods all seem to be using pen or handling hair follicles without placing on gloves. I am going to see HLC, Pekiner, Demirsoy and some more surgeons methods tomorrow. Annoying to browse through tons of videos of patients results to see surgery videos (not always posted unfortunately)

Unfortunately no. It’s not possible to see which ones are damaged until half a year later. Check the bad results posted here and you will notice they are no different than good results in first month.

I just remembered, I also checked Dr Yaman and it confirmed again what I had seen so far. He uses his custom implanter pen (perhaps for better angles?) but places the grafts on his gloves. And what do you know, there was a result here where the hair growth was not so good ie hair follicles didn’t grow. There’s no doubt he is a good surgeon as he has good results too but even skill will not save you when you’re racing against the clock in a matter of seconds. Keep in mind I am not saying just because a surgeon uses gloves method, he will have bad results but that’s just a risk he’s taking. That article mentions grafts dying on gloves in 3-15 minutes, why even subject the grafts to such risk? Personally, after learning this I will go with a surgeon who doesn’t subject the follicles to this risk. Even one hair follicle is precious = that’s 1-4 hairs that you can stick toppik to 😁 and add density. And not minitiarised hairs but prime healthy hair(s), even a thinning scalp looks better than shiny bald one so every follicle is important.

Before I was banned, I did some pretty extensive research on ncbi/ihrs(?) and learned somethings that I wanted to share. Graft survival which decides how good of a HT you will have absolutely depends on how long the graft stays outside the body. Graft survival is actually not that bad when they put it in the cold solution they use and enhanced with prp/different solution types. The survival still drops as the hours go on. But what absolutely kills grafts in a matter of seconds is the time spent on surgeon’s gloves due to desiccation/drying. I forgot the figures now but it was something like with 5? or 10 minutes the grafts die off real quick. Even at 2 minutes the figures were bad. This made me interested in seeing how the different surgeons perform their surgeries. Dr Turan/ fuecapilar(?) posted videos on his YouTube of live surgery and I liked his method, he does a few things right. First he doesn’t put the grafts on his gloves instead they’re in a pen - awesome. I couldn’t see in the video if they load up the implanter pens direct after extraction or grafts are in a solution and for how long and how do the techs load up the grafts since that’s where damage can happen too. But given his results so far (though very few posted here), he must be doing the extractions good as well since the results are good. I don’t think dr gur posted his videos so I didn’t check or maybe I just didn’t think of him. This is similar to Zarev who also uses an implanter pen. And the time outside body for grafts is very less. Dr Zarev also uses an extraction method that he hides and will not disclose so perhaps his extraction damage rate is very less. Unfortunately, his video is blurred so it’s hard to tell how the pens are loaded but given his awesome results, we can tell he handles the grafts with ❤️ So far DHI/Choi implanter pens are clear winners and I wondered if this was the best. But not so fast. I checked Dr Ozlem Bicer next who was kind enough to post her videos on YouTube and noticed something interesting. The grafts are placed in a solution and she picks up those grafts one by one with a forcep while implanting them without putting them on her gloves. Again, I don’t know how long the time before extraction to implantation but she is highly rated as well and once again, there’s zero time spent on gloves = less time spent in desiccation/drying in forceps. Last but not least I came across Eugenix article, they didn’t have a video but they use a method called DHT which is just a fancy name of their technique to appeal to public. I thought it was implanter pen DHI but nope, it’s FUE. What the article by them explained is they make the implantation incisions first then extract the graft and implant it = very little time for graft outside body = no drying/desiccation and their hair growth results are good. Recently their bad results are over-harvesting/bad angles which is where skill of surgeons comes in but the hair grows ie grafts survive. Of course, the skill of the surgeon is important as well so is extraction which decide how natural the hair look but the procedure that I saw on some hairmills/average doctors was they would put several grafts on the gloves and the time spent implanting them is many minutes. You’re racing against the clock in seconds man, it’s no surprise that the results are so hit and miss with gloves method. They probably damage the grafts during extraction as well, pretty much nothing good going on for the poor hair follicles 😂 It seems the DHI method is the best and removes one more way for grafts to die during the whole process ie drying on gloves even for less good surgeons. Does anyone know what methods the surgeons use that are recommended here? PS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2956960/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16369053/

I have seen good results from Dr Turan and like that he uses DHI method whilst keeping the grafts out of body for minimal time. Grafts survival drops really fast the longer they’re outside body and/or on the glove of the surgeon due to dryness. This is where I like Dr Turan method, he doesn’t place the grafts on his gloves and places them really fast with implanted pen. Unfortunatley not many results of his posted here so I am still undecided if I want to choose him

Your choice but he's more believable than some random website claiming blocking some percent of an enzyme will affect you for life. If we were to believe this then we should starve and only drink water for life for perfect sexual health because we consume food daily that is anti-DHT. Surprising how that food doesn't give them (persistent) sides but fin does hehe.

People on placebo experienced permanent side effects. Let me say it again. People on PLACEBO experienced PERSISTANT side effects. I am sorry this is too damn funny🤣 That says everything there has to be said about this. Never underestimate what you can make your mind do to your body or in this case, not do hehe.

Kevin does a good job explaining this

If you’re a physician, you should know the psychological component of sexual performance. In finasteride studies where they administer placebo to some people, the rate of sexual side effects are almost similar ( in this particular study e.g found erectile dysfunction reported in 3.4 to 15.8 percent of patients treated with finasteride 5mg daily versus 1.7 to 6.3 percent treated with placebo ) That’s just crazy, these people had ED from sugar pills. Why? Because they expected it and it happened. You won’t see ED as a side effect for people taking amoxicillin placebo for the simple reason they don’t expect to get ED from taking an antibiotic. If you believe you’re flawed in some way, you will be flawed in some way for as long as you wish to believe it.

It’s just nonsense, that’s what I think. No drug is that good that its effects stay forever. Certainly hairloss continues really rapidly when you stop fin, clear indication that nothing is wrong physiologically. Reproductive system is like 99% totally controlled by mind. What you believe happens down there and so what people believe does happen.

Dude, you’re telling me!. He gave me two warnings saying I shouldn’t use the B word and banned me for a month. I didn’t know it was such a bad word man, and yes I may have come off as exaggerating perhaps but I was shocked at how “not good” for lack of a better word the result was and my post was in spur of the moment. It wasn’t even directed at the clinic or anyone in particular, just a verb to define an action. I still don’t know how to say it other way 😂 How angry are people here. Just chill man and talk. Like I am a real person, I can be talked to and definitely not over warnings 😂 Crazy. I guess hairloss makes people lose a sense of humour too 🥲