BaldingBogger

How do you know the yield here is 90%? What data can you cite to back up this claim? Finally it seems you're backtracking in saying that patients would accept "lower yield" good to know, but my point still stands.

How do you know its not? Theres No backtracking here. What exactly is your point? You have proved nothing and presented nothing to dispute leading FUE clinics have %90 yields and upper..

Theres an accepted number of grafts accepted that will cover a specific area in a hair transplant on a average sized head. Considering the number of posts you have made on here i am surprised you cannot see these procedures have quite a high yield percentage for the number of grafts used.

In any event yield aside both results look great so that is all the matters in the end,

Please back up this statement. There is no getting around the fact that FUE is weaker in terms of yield, graft quality, and graft trauma.

Ok lets just look at todays posts to the forum for example. A quick glance will see 2 FUE cases as below from leading clinics in which it can easily displayed of a 90%^^ range yield. Well there are tons of these cases around these days from leading clinics any prospective patient can view. When performed at a leading clinic i don't think there is a big variation in the yield rates. And i think most patients would take a small percentage less yield which would not be noticeable in the final result in lieu of a strip scar.

Having seen plenty of results in the flesh i see no discernable difference in the quality of FUE to FUT grafts once fully grown in and matured.

I agree FUE takes longer to grow and 'bed' in for the hair to cycle. I would also highlight there are no guarantees with either procedures and there are plenty of FUT results with a poor yield to be found.

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/179412-just-over-12mths-post-op-dr-jose-lorenzo.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/173413-bisanga-fue-2995-dec-2013-a-10.html

Plenty of time to grow. 2nd time round can take longer too . Give another good 6-8 months before assessing finally. Months 8-9 you should see big improvement

Keyser you are spot on but perhaps more blunt than I was. To get a new medical technique acknowledged by ones peers as an advancement it is necessary to show an enhancement and at very minimum non-inferiority to what the mainstream view as state of the art. mFUE it would appear is quite aways from achieving that basic standard.

I would agree with this. Firstly i commend anyone challenging the status quo and trying to devise new and improved techniques. I definitely agree its all speculation at this point and very much 'the proof will be in the pudding' . So we look forward to seeing more results and more in depth picture documentation of scarring and results.

However if a new person came online and read this post first they would be led to believe that all regular FUE has around 60-70% yield. Its not very clear here that is a personal opinion based on some non industry accepted research. When we know this is in fact not true and leading FUE clinics can get yields in the 90% range.

I also think Blake should be posting this from a new independent account and not as a moderator.

Just my 2 cents.

Agree totally with the above. Crown and vertex area definitely takes longer than the front

I was about 29 Spanker . Loss incurred between 27-29 was a lot, I was on Finasteride for a few years but i continued to loose on it in a very specific loss pattern on vertex with the rest of my hair staying very thick so ditched it. It also triggered an initial shed for me in hairline that never grew back and did not like the idea of it long term to be honest.

If your gonna buzz with thinning hair you need to buzz real short back and sides and slightly longer on top to aid the illusion i think. The OP's pics are worst possible scenario i think. If back and sides were buzzed unguarded the thinning would not look as noticeable.

Yep , similar thing happened me. Had NO IDEA how thin it had got until i buzzed down short and was aghast at how it looked,

I read a statistic before that typically you have lost over 50% of your hair before you notice you have MPB.

I suppose this works to advantage when you transplant back 50% of original density.

i think the impression coming off this thread for a potential patient which should be tempered is its a cast iron guarantee that Strip will yield him a far superior result. Simply not true.

A lot of the more recent FUE Dr Feller results i have seen posted online had poor growth which suggests the issue was technique as i have not seen as many poor FUE's from other leading clinics.

I respect the decision there to concentrate to Strip but just because an individual clinic cannot perform a technique to a consistent high standard does not mean other clinics cannot.

Some of the recent FUT results i have seen posted on this forum came from Dr Feller / Dr Charles to name but two have also had poor growth. I know most clinics have poor cases (i have not seen any from Lorenzo though) but there are no guarantees here no matter what technique is used is my point.

So patients need to be very careful with their decision making as once you are cut there is no shave down escape route you end up chasing your tail and getting cut again.

The only clinic i would agree that produce consistent top class FUT results that look denser than your average results would be Hasson & Wong. However again the above point stands people should bear in mind there are no guarantees with hair transplantation.

Pathos?

Logos?

Ethos?

 

I also think it is a good thread. Don't care if the original OP went AWOL. We learn't (learned) ;

 

1) New York state doesn't permit tech extraction, making FUE extremely costly in New york

2) FUE fibrotic scarring is a phoney excuse for the strip rationale

 

That's a good start.

I would have to agree with this. It seemed a few years back Dr Feller would take on medium to larger FUE cases but i haven't seen a moderate to large FUE case from his clinic in years. Most probably as he's not comfortable performing for whatever reason probably physical due to the tech restriction.

His pricing seems to make it unrealistic as others have stated. I believe this has fuelled a bias from that clinic as well as others in North America to promoting strip. Nothing wrong with a clinic performing whatever they wish but patients should be aware of the situation in USA so they don't get misled with scare tactics discrediting a certain procedure.

With all due respect and you have a very helpful nature Blake and have been a great asset to the forum.

i think in your new position and in the interest of objectivity your position as a moderator here should probably be ended earlier. And going forward continue posting as an independent Dr. I appreciate the angle you are coming from and the extensive research you have undertook but a lot of this information is coming across as biased to suit the profile of your new clinic.

Without going over old ground at this stage I think a lot of these FUE/FUT old myths have been extensively debunked already. We all know the USA is a unique situation compared to Europe where FUE techs cannot have the same level of involvement. It just strikes me the US clinics are desperately trying to keep FUT on life support. And now to champion small FUE sessions combined with FUT procedures sounds like another gimmick to be honest.

I guess we will wait and see though.

Have you always had it? The balding in my crown started out exactly like this for a few years .. The reason why i knew it was the start of thinning is previously my hair covered the area totally.

Is it proven that there's a correlation between scabs and poor yield? My doc scabbing is normal. Also there's more scanning when there's dense packing.

 

What actually constitutes to scabbing? Dried up proper blood or also that translucent stuff (sebrum)?

I certainly think so and most clinics will really highlight in their post op instructions the need for frequent application of saline to keep the scalp moist and prevent scabbing.

Everyone scabs but the key is to stop the thick deep rooted ones forming by not letting the wound site dry up, I had a couple of big scabs that dried up a bit and subsequently had almost no yield in their exact sites and everywhere else grew fine.

I would pay huge attention to scabbing and its prevention to be precise. I had 2 major scabs that formed after my transplant. Exactly where those large scabs formed was where i had a really poor yield. I think the scabs formation stopped the grafts anchoring properly.

Bloody hell, i think its safe to say this qualifies as a WOW result

I dont think any other Doctor could do this with the amount of grafts used.

Sorry to see this. Johnny im not sure you even needed a HT to begin with as you had a lot of hair pre op.

You still look to have a good amount of hair although regards the procedure all i can see that its left you with is the scarring.

I cant see any yield. It looks like they over harvested your nape area to get the finer hairs for your hairline lowering. You may have suffered some shockloss there also as a result.

Overall this is not a good outcome and i would think you should be refunded.

Hope I'm wrong but I get the feeling of a ticking time bomb

Without wading too much in to the old arguments banded around the Fue Fut comparisons.

I would point out that undertaking Fut is by no means a guarantee of top yield or a top result as seems to be the presumption with a lot of posts. Years of extensive research I've probably seen such as many duds with strip as fue.

Again it really comes to choosing the right Dr. In the right hands a top yield can be expected with either procedure . Donor supply is another issue.

Hi mm1.

Have you an updated pics of your situation? Are you saying the op was a total failure with Dr Charles?

I must say I have not been impressed with some results from him

Enrique is wearing a system. He's been photographed a few times without it .

Sorry to see this. But i agree its a total failure. It cannot be dressed up any other way. There is no discernable evidence of acceptable growth anywhere.

The fact you are not on meds is not an issue. There are tons of successful HT's with people not on finasteride. It is by no means a prerequisite for hair transplantation.

At this stage i would contact the surgeon and request a refund. I think you should be entitled to a total refund for this. I would certainly not let the same Dr operate again.

And i would go elsewhere for a second shot at it. Good luck,

FUT for 1800 grafts is madness IMO if the patient is a FUE candidate. You will find certain Dr's will recommend FUT as its a far less taxing procedure for the Dr or they may not have the required skill for FUE.

If you only need this amount of grafts check out FUE options in Europe. The money you save would pay the air ticket.

FUE in North america is a rip off & inferior compared to far cheaper in Europe IMO. Its impossible to say anymore without knowing you hair characteristics. But be sure to thoroughly research all your options as once you have a strip scar theres no going back.

Multiple FUE procedures are common place but all depends on your donor, Some people can easily get 5000-6000 upwards FUE grafts without issue.

Looking at your picture i would agree compared to a Strip scar there is no comparison to the scarring there. The key thing is looking at your head shaved it will never attract casual eye drift that 'something is up' from any regular observer. Your head even shaved looks totally normal.

Put a strip scar on there and you WILL get eye drift when your hair is short.

I can kind of see some white marks when i look close but i got to look close and can only real tell as i have had FUE myself to recognise it.

I would totally concur and for that exact reason i went also with FUE.

Looking very good for 6 months. You should see a lot of thickening the next 6 months also.

Congrats

Congrats looking very good

A strip scar is the mark of a real man. That is why I am Scar5 . I know five times more than anybody else on this forum. However, I am humble enough to accept that it takes an expert to know this.

 

What happens when you call the rep from your car wreck, and the car crash expert tells you their knowledge has evolved?

Ah that old evolved opinion... ! I'm actually planning on cheating on my wife and when i get caught i am going to say my opinion on marriage evolved.!