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Basically get a full blood test done for as many hormones as you can! oestrogen testosterone SHBG FSH GNRH progesterone DHT yes a family doctor should reffer you to a specialist and from there they can deal with things as you will need meds to correct any inbalances and for this you will need to be supervision by a profesional! but you need to ask the correct questions as here in the uk to be honest they are terrible and the endos will just bull shit you to go away!!! or you could pay yourself google medichecks and a list of centers will come up that will run the tests for you!!!!!! i medicate my self by getting the meds from a long term source of which i used when i was bodybuilding but only when i need to ie when the blood tests show unbalance's kinda wot a guy on test replacement therapy does only because i have a lot of personal friends who are experts in this area due to competing im able to do it my self!!!! but i dont do that you need to fined a dr or endo who knows what they are doing!!!!!! as you will need to get the meds and be supervised and have a blood tests done its cheaper for you if you get under the care of some one as its all free!!! how ever the drs are crap and they will tell u any bull if you just go in and say finest has altered my HPTA axis..... so my advice pay for the blood tests private then go armed with the results and questions! this way they cant ignore you also when you get to the endo....... talk about the protocols i have mentioned and the drugs i have mentioned and insist you try it.... because it really is quite easy to get things sorted if you know how and UK drs have not caught on yet im afraid in the states there is more light on the subject and more success with the post cycle therapys for post steroid use and it is this same protocol which restores things after finest use.... it works and its just a shame that the drs either are not aware of any finest problems or dont understant because i find it amasing that drs hand this stuff out...... when i know exactly how much it can impact and ruin the HPTA hormonal systems.......... men need to be supervised on this shit as it will and completely ruin some mens internal hormonal ratios which can be debilitating and seriouse!!!!!!! its shocking if you ask me i have seen men in worst shape after long term finest use than men who have done a steroid cycle for 8 weeks.......... and drs dish this stuff out with out a second thought its a major scam! finest is good for hairloss but it has to be managed correctly and the drs fail to do this something needs to be done if im honest

no its an accumalitive effect dht goes up and down all the time!!!

dont suffer and wait it out!!! get bloods done as inbalances of hormones can be corrected!!! you need to visit and endo and get fsh gnrh lh all test all oetsrogen shbg etc etc many sufferers choose to suffer in stead of being pro active and seeking the corect meand sof treatments many endos do not know or understand finest and how it works!!!!! i have helped 3 men now with the help of a good friend with people like you! you need a good endo the correct questions and knowledge that we have to get the hormonal axis and homeostasis back in line!!!! i cant understand the logic behind just waiting for the body to recover this can take months or years or not at all!!!!!! and many men after propecia like on propecia help are quite intent to do this... ive actually been on there and tried to help them but many wont help them selves!!! you can take a horse to water but you can make him drink!!!! thats exactly how i felt with them so i gave up!!! how ever on my other forum fitnness one many men come on asking fo rhelp after finest and a few have been sorted out!!! men who are sensitve to finest can get the hormonal balances so out line the body simply cant correct it and.... a jumps start is often required like in a acar engine..... and then the body takes over!!!! get the bloods done give me the results i will arm you with the correct questions go back to your endo and quizz him! then hiopefully he will try the meds i advise and after a few months have bloods done again and see if it has worked simple!!!! at the end of the day you have nothing to lose!!! and it works its basically a post cycle therapy for restoring your own natural hormone levels using meds used by bodybuilders after using hormones that change the natural levels in order to restore things!! it works tried and tested and any decent endo should see this:D

read my post http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/158287-increased-dht-%3D-hairloss-always.html it covers a wide range of topics specific to the author of the thread but theres abit on finest sides etc etc which may explain a few things for you!!! in your case how ever! finest has a few different effects for diff users especialy for the first few months. some experiance this in the period of time where the body is adapting to the use of the drug this alone can have sides think of it like your body is getting used to a new compound almost all meds including anti depressants and antibiotics to high blood pressure meds all have sides that people may experiance whilst the body first gets exposed and used to it in the start out period many of these sides are temporay how ever and often get better as time goes by of using the meds as the body gets used to a new compound and its effects...... you may not be experiancing any hormonal problems yet it could just be the factor above giving you sides.... how ever saying that who knows it could also be hormonal as its hard to say with out a full blood print out including oestrogen,LH,GNRH,FSH free test levels etc etc the sides you speak of anxiety and ed and libido could all be related to the stress and worries of taking finest!!! and the body reacting to changes....but at the same time some people are just very sensitive to the med you could be one of them!!! with finest its often the oestrogen that is the guilty party for sides... dht opposes oestrogen for eg dht lowers levels of oestrogen low dht means high oestrogen.... when the balance of test to oestrogen is off this is when you get libido,ed,brain fog etc did you get any oestrogen blood results done as any decent doc should be well aware that ED is not always associated with low test that is old school thinking!!! if you have normal test levels if oestrogen is to low or to high above or bellow your test level ed and libido will happen also!!! seeing as your test levels and dht levels are normal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok dht is abit low but nothing drastic infact having it low is why you take finest! but its only low by a minute bit.... i think it could be oestrogen related!!!! if not then im afraid you may be one of the guys who just respond very sensitvely to dht reduction? im on dutas and finest and i am fine.... but when i first started finest 3 years ago it was so bad i stopped but when i restarted no sides..... the human body is not a machine and it reacts so different for every individual! it even acts different at different times for the same person on the same drug go figure!! but my guess is a out of ballance test to oestrogen ration you most prob have high SHBG which binds to your free test and high oestrogen levels which effect ED libido and that leaves you with low free testosterone which is the testosterone that matters by the way not sereum or total test the free test is what does the business!!! get shbg,lh,fsh,oestrogen levels and ask you doc to compare back to your test level and see if they contradict each other ie, unbalancing your HPTA axis or test to oestrogen ratio and see what he says, if you get me your full results that i have asked for i can forward them on to a close friend to also evaluate whats going on.... and he is an expert in this area!!!! and you can then go back to your endo with what him an i have questioned to help you out, with endos if you dont ask you dnt get! if you ask the important questions they take you seriously otherwise they try to palm you off hope this helps

im tempted to become a member of as many forums as i can and every month copy and paste my story so every one knows what a fool he is! or even make my own website so when ever any one searches for him it will come up and no one will go tom him any more:D

i give you full permision to use me as an example! of a modern case as i was only 2 years ago and he is still sh1t............ i would love to see that email how on eart did you get in contact with him he ignores me wot can i do!!!!!!!! to get my own back i hate the man

Dr Rogers is a night mare, my biggest regret going to him! i emailed him to tell him about it and he just ignored me!!!! i HATE him...... out of 1200 grafts 200 grew!!!!!!!!!!

i kinda get your thinkin? but then you have to be realistic also??? The house may have fallen due to the architects errors!? this is just as much a possibilty how ever the architect is not going to say that is he..... for example the techs could have had a off day and the grafts where compramised!!!??? im not saying this is what happend but you have to say it is a possibility........... and you have to admit that any patient paying alot of money even though the risks are fully explained never wants to accept that a bad result might occur and neither do the dr's really???? dr feller is a awsome dr but every one had bad days? as stated no body here knows the details, but im just saying you have to consider all angles before jumping on the band wagon!!! yes it could all be down to the patients conditions not being able to grow grafts but at the same time it could also be due to an error in the HT surgery process? either way im sure dr feller is a great dr and all issues will be resolved

run like the wind away from any uk HT doc besides farjo in manchester! i got a terrible HT from one so called dr in england so in know

Get real mate! Every medical surgery is a gamble and not a certainty no matter how good the dr..... i dont think you can spin the line dr feller doped you in to going along with every thing!!! any adult is fully aware the human body is not an exact science, i had a failed HT at the age of 23 and even at that age i knew it wasnt a sure thing even though the dr didnt fully explain the cons....... thats life! i think at worst you could probably have dr feller for not going into depth about the possibility of it failing.... and in all honesty failed HT's are rare for dr feller he prob didnt think it was going to happen.... but it has happend and im affraid its just bad luck you are one of the unlucky ones and not a result of poor work by dr feller. NO dr has a 100% rate of satisfaction. either way i still think Dr feller should offer you a FREE surgery and if you dont want to return to him a partial refund not a total refund as stated before as i dont think it would be his fault its one of them things. thats life good luck

first of all let me be clear im not a dr but i just happen to know alot about this area due to research through bodybuilding and have alot of very in the know friends!!! any thing i say must be taken as advice only and spoken to with you dr before any changes or anything to our meds for your own health!!! ok ok test cyp is used in the usa here in the uk they use test en instead! but its the same! looking at the results i cant tell if you where diagnosed with primary or secondary hypogonadism? as you dont show lh or fsh levels......... basically if you fsh and lh hormones are low the hypathalmus or piturity gland are to blame and if the fsh and lh are high and test is low then the nuts are to blame!! did your dr tell you? or run any tests to find out primary or secondary it should be routine procedure!!!! (as mentioned many endo skip this and just go straight to trt as its easier but wrong) did you try any clomid or nolva as tools to establish if it was your balls or hypathalmus or piturity gland that was at fault and not responding?? clomid an nolva (serms) act on the hpta = hypathalums piturity testical axis in short hpta and it is what keeps your endocrine system stable and maintains homeo stasis by using hormones if one bit either the H or P or T isnt doing its part things get messy! but you can easily identify which is at blame with simple tablets and see how what reponds by releasing hormones and which does not (fault finding)!!!!!! yes by using exogenus test suplementation you will feel an instant lift in mood as soon as the ether attached to the test wears off usually after a week of the first jab........ but as mentioned if your happy with staying on steroids then good for you but natural is better and restoring natuarl suplly shoul dalwayd be a first port of call if not possible due to malfunction HPTA and dead testical (leydig cells) then TRT is the last option. How ever at an older age in my view its actually healthier to do trt as you get reg hormone and blood check and you are able to keep things stable and have ideal levels which keeps you feelling younger longer and looking so as apposed to feeling old and crap and producing more oestrogen than women which is what happens to all men when they pass a certaing age fact!!! DHT is 10 times more androgenic than testosterone what i mean by this is that it will oppose oestrogen and keep oestrogen levels down and make you feel more male and build muscle more easy! so yes dht reductions will effect all of this! if you where to use the test gel or lotion adex isnt needed as the test converts to dht when incontact with hairs on the skin but because you jab the test doesnt come in contact with hairs and thus the receptors so no dht conversion to keep oestrogen down so your dr prescribes adex!!!! but i have to be honest with you muscle will grow regardless of DHT yes it is more androgenic than testosterone but test will do the job of muscle growth to and so will things like human growth hormone which is released and sleep and also iunsulin and insulin like growth factors which will all combine to build muscle mass!!! i work out and have big muscle and a 6 pack and i take dutas! it is harder than if you didnt use finest but you can still build muscle easy enough! just keep oestrogen in the normal range to high and to low will result in belly fat that also converts test in to oestrogen!!!!! with fin the problem is oestrogen keep this in line and you will have little sides! remember what i said above...... fin stops dht.... dht stops oestrogen!!! so no dht results in oestrogen build up and high oestrogen results in the body reducing it the only way it knows how and that is by stopping the hormone that is converted in to oestrogen and that happens to be testosterone!!! so fin users get low dht which makes high oestrogen which make testosterone production stop which results in a out of line HPTA and shut down occurs untill its corrected naturally when all levels come back down and in some unlucky men never unless medical intervention. using clomid and nolva and hcg . think of it as jumpstarting the system hypathalmus piturity and balls think of using clomid and nolva and hcg like a jump leads on your car!!!!!!!! but on your brain and balls!!!! im surprised you dr didnt try this its very simple and effective!! clomid and nolva make the brain kik out hormones to restart the balls tesosterone production and the HCG shots is the chemical equivalent to pregnant women wee stimulates the leydig cells in the balls to wake up all combined is effective and gets the body back to normal naturaly with out the need for trt!!! how ever if this doent work then trt is the only snd last option left a plan D so to speak!!!! so as had no test production and high oestrogen and hypogonadism before then you where already experiancing the sides finest can create on people! by supplying your own test and keeping an eye on oestrogen with adex and reg blood tests!!! you will be maintaining a artificial HPTA with meds and there for counteracting finest sides!!!!! dont get me wrong you may experiance something may be reduced ejaculation some brain fog to start and some teething sides whilst your bodt gets used to any new compound but you certainly wont be getting any ED,LIBIDO issues!!!! *if you want huge muscles whack up your doses of test cyp a week to 500mg for 12 weeks but remember to stop 3 weeks before a blood test or your doc will reduce your test supply.and dont use the finest and your hair if mpb prone will get worse there is no doubt! *or keep using maintance dosages of test with all of your hair care meds and finest and be like any other young man.(except in a better position to keep an eye on any inbalances due to finest stopping sides lik ed,libido) *or do a 12 week cycle on slightely above maintance dosage whilst on dutas to prevent hair loss grow big muscles and then back on to finest when you stop the cycle etc etc i gues what im saying is you have to get smart an work out how to manipulate your TRT to suit you!!!!!! but either way these are the facts your on trt and you suffer from MPB if you want to keep your hair take dutas or finest. if you want big muscles do blast the cruises on your steroid trt cycles take no finest or dutas go bald slowly and get huge. or find a happy medium ie, stay on finest all year around stay on trt all year around! but once a year before summer take dutas on top of finest and up the trt dosage to 400mg per week for 8 weeks get buff then stop the dutas and go back to maintainance trt dose an just take the finest.... this way you get the body and save your hair more than not taking finest at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i work out on fin and dutas and i got muscle not as hard as normal muscle but im buff none the less with the correct manipulation of your trt you should be able to look after your hair and get muscle.... how ever think of it like a sea saw the higher the one the lower the other you cant have you cake and eat it!!!! finding the happy ratio or mid way point for 8 weeks a year befoe summer is best............................ then for the rest of the year keep trt low and finest high get it??????? finest will also keep your prostate happy due to the exogenus test which can sometimes be a problem in older men how ever mate i warn you after 6 months your nuts will look like peas and you ball sak will look like a empty tabaccoo pounch unless you stimulate them with HCG to keep them big!!! please read carefuly and bring up these points with your dr!! Primary or secondary ie,nuts or brain not fireing! did ur doc use fault finding meds such as clomid to establish the fault! HCG use to maintain testicular size! im sure theres more on this in my brain but im stumped at the mo lol hope this helped.... i can put you intouch with a very inteligent guy who helped many bodybuilders restart there natural test production even after years of trt in fact he did it to himself.. if you get fed up of blood tests and jabbing every week and taking adex or you feel funny coz you balls have gone up inside you ahahha :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

i know many bodybuilder friends who take trt and steroids for competing and many take dutas or finest to control MPB infact i know alot about homeostasis and trt and steroids and hpta axis recovery, first of all, are you on gel or jabs (test sust) testosterone. how old are you? and what methods did you and your endo try to restore your own natural HPTA axis as often low test is a result of longterm hormonal shifts that shut down natural test production which is reversable!!! many endos are very quick to put men on trt in a means to mask the real problem and to see intant benefits which result in trt and exogenus test administeration for the rest of your life!!!! did he your dr identify whether you have primary or secondary hypogonadism? i have helped men restore natural test production after being on trt and indeed long term shut down due to steroid use. with HPTA recovery protocols... are you on any sort of oestrogen management like an aramatase inhibitor or anti oestrogen such as adex or nolva? are you using HCG human chorionic gonadtropin to stop your balls from shrinking up due to the non bodily testosteron taking over the job of the nuts which shrinks them up to the size of peanuts..if you dnt stimulate them with HCG which keeps them the same size!!!!! could you post you blood results for me to look at inc, shbg,androgen level,serum test,free test and also all oestrogen and LH and fsh levels please as from the bloods i can see very clearly what is going on with you!!!!!!! ****in regards to finest sides you are in a good positon to deal with them what i mean by that is that as you are taking trt test replacment the sides of finest will be non existant with you as you will be having your hormone levels checked regular and any inbalnaces addressed using anti oestrogens and test booster there for finest use should not have any side in theory you where already suffering form the before with the hypogonadism as this is what often occurs in long term finest users. the finest use, creates a build of large free test levels which the body converts the excess test in to oestrogen so the average finest user will have high free test and high oestrogen and the dht receptors in the scalp when the dht is misplaced gets replaced with progesterone... all these fatcors in the long term if not managed then result in sieds due to a HPTA out of line such as low test issues like ED,depression,brainfog,lethargic,dry skin,libido and gyno!!!!! so you see these problems are all associated with hypogonadism and this is what you must have been suffering from before so my advice to you isd use finest or dutas to keep the androgen levels down ie,dht levels down which will prevent further MPB and no sides as you are already taking meds to correct hormonal inbalances such as HCG,for the balls stimulation,adex for oestrogen management, and clomid for LH and fsh increases..... so in short your close watch and blood levels checks and meds you take for the prolonged use of TRT will all ready be the exact things that wil prevent sides from finest... you are in the perfect position to use finest and experiance no sides as you are laready managing your hormonal hpta axis!!!!! but please answer you my questions so i can advise you further and you can then go back to your endo with the questions i give you as im sure i can help you out alot!!!!!!

bio fibres can leave the scalp scared with in. dont persue this route! get a HT with a coalition dr such as dr madu in india and have natural feeling and growing hair on your head!! good luck:D

dr lindsey would be a good dr he is both a plastic surgeon and a hair transplant expert........... i dont think you could find much better!!! although im sure many of the top coalition drs would make a big improvment, i would feel dr lindseys expertese in complex areas such as face lifts etc etc and the essential nature of having invisible scars would give him an advantage! may be you should go for a in person consult so he can see in the flesh the ways to over come your problem!? as a picture can tell a thousand lie's

thanks biscuit wow nice hair man!!!!! i bet ur thrilled looking at your time line on your blog helped alot your growth started nice just after the 4 month mark between the 5 to 8 month mark id say was your best growth phase:D how many grafts did you get in the front 3rd?

i wish it was fully grown ahahahah your post spex on the guy who didnt think his hair had changed after the 4 month mark untill you showed the 8 months pics sums it up best.... i would say the 4-8 months mark is when the magic starts to unfold.....

the reasons behind most men waiting unitll 2months to go to the gym is to minimise scar stretching.... by 2 weeks the grafts are solid and can only be removed surgicaly... how ever sun bathing should be avoided up to 5 months ... also workouts can increase pressure in the scalp and result in slower healing and bleeding... i read a post a few weeks ago by some one who had this problem i would say you would be safer waiting to ar least 1.5months post op to resume gym and then be carefull not to pressure both the donor and recipient sites... take it steady and do light activities and try not to stress the woud sites another month or 2 will not hurt you and it may save you from getting a fat scar at the end of the day.... who was your surgeon?

im nervouse...... im 10 days from the 4 months mark and im not sure? my hair in the recipient area is obviously alot better than the 1 month mark and i think if it was not shaved down it would be as good as before the sugery so i havent lost any more hair which is nice to know..... how ever my sides still have shock loss above the ears around the scar is this normal at the 4 month mark?????? When will the scar turn white the back is great but above the ears is still visible and gives the game away to any one looking at it, if it wasnt for this i could lose the hat as no one would know? So im guessing what im getting at is what months post hairtransplant would you guys say the growth really kicked in i.e you looked in the mirror and you said to yourself OMG its happening??? and when will this shockloss ccover the side bits its a strip about 3inches by 1cm around the scar?? im just keep to the meds and hare care and healthy life style and hope somthing big happens over the next 2months before xmas n new year? :confused: cheers all

dont jump in to a HT as all surgeons are diff and you want the best result as you may end up wasting donor hair of which there is not a unlimited supply and also alot of money the best advice i can give is look at the results posted by patients on here as you get a true reflextion of the scale of the work by the drs.... im not syaing the results posted by doctors or clinics are doctered but they are made to look the best........ also the problems with HT is that by the time you realised that you made the wrong choice of dr you have had your head shaved and waited 6 months of hiding and lieing to not see any result and some times it may look worse with a big scar... so getting the correct surgeon is awsome as you avoid all of the above and get a nice hair style again look at the list of coalition drs here and recomended surgeons as they are the only clinics to have great results and ethics and customer care!!!!!! look up such drs as!!!!! dr feller, dr hasson dr wong dr cooley dr alexander dr charles dr lindsey dr shapiro dr reed dr pathomavich dr rahal they are the best!!!!!!!!!

post op and hair counts would be great if you could jo? i especialy like the temple work with this guy what a great result!! well done dr h and team, j:D

they are both nothing but frauds i hate them both!!!!!!! i think rogers did the surgery but when he worked for another company............. i had 1200 grafts with rogers and dr hasson counted 200 hairs grew i emailed rogers but had no responce from him, as long as im alive i will campaign against his greedy money grabbing butchering ways i just wish i could tell the world about him and put him out of business!!!!

Even though i had my transplant with hasson an wong when i had problems with my scar on holiday in bangkok i called dr paths office and they informed me he was away at a convension in india or some where in asia i beleive and he wasnt able to see me untill the day after he got................ my message was then passed on to dr path and he emailed me directly and offered to see me the very morning he arrived back in bangkok on his way home from the office!!!!!!!!!! not only does this show a man with the care of all HT patients at heart but a very genuine one also as many drs may have a problem with helping men from other drs...... (apart from dr on this forum of course) also im sure with his continued participation of this forum he is going to continue to improve and improve on his already very high standards and results!!!!!! his results are all very good ive looked at all of his examples on his website and on the patient websites on this forum and they are very good! not to mention the majority of his results are based on thai or asian men which have harsh characteristics to factor in to a good result due to fine hair and black colour!!! i think he will have a huge following in the years to come!! his prices are also very very reasonable and results very very good!!!! and from what i gather he is always looking to learn and improve his own working practices as and knowledge at amny convensions and meetings!!!! well done to dr cooley, dr reed and dr PATH i fully suport his coalition bid

i would say more than likely many individuals where suffering from a hormaonal inbalance initialy before the rogaine was used... and then the rogaine MAY have been responsible for the final straw ont he camels back for example.... but even so i say this is still highly unlikely if you get bloods done the following are important serum test total test free test androgen levels estradol oestrogen lutanising hormone LH follicle stimulating hormone FSH GNRH they key to many problems of the healthy mans endocrine system is the oestrogen levels........... many middle aged men actually produce more oestrogen that women of the same age and when you take the strongest androgen DHT which opposes the oestrogen build up out of the equation via dht blocker finest etc this when problems start.......... think of it like a seasaw with test on one end and oestrogen on the other end!!! if oestrogen is to high or low ED starts!!!!!!!! another intresting fact is men who actually have to go on test replacemnt therapy for life due to andropause, need to take exogenus test such as injections or gels now, if you use gel the test comes in to contact with the skins hair follicles and this makes DHT and for this reason men who use the gel do not have oestrogen side effects ED,GYNO,LIBIDO problems how ever men who inject the test dont have as much DHT conversion as its not getting contact with hairs and its these men like body builders who get the oestrogen build up so a anti oestrogen is then used!!!!!!!!!! blood tests will reveal all and its relitively easy to restore natural levels if you can identify the problems

often the true reason test is low id due to high oestrogen, if you take exogenus test such as tablets or replacement methods you will make the matter worse. try and restore you test levels naturaly with out test suplementation as test replacement therapy is for life!!!!!!!!!!! if you manage the oestrogen if your nuts are not dead the test levels will rise as estradol and oestrogen reduces.... get bloods and post results and i can help you further

ah right ok?????????? well ive had the pleasure of meeting with more HT drs than most including dr path and i think he would make a perfect member!!!! i think it will only be a matter of time any way hes producing such good work and customer care it would be hard to ignore him at his rate of such good results and customer satisfaction well done dr path n dr reed