Dr Koray Erdogan- ASMED Clinic 3243 Grafts FUE 25/11/2020

[IRE90LARK]

Age: 30

Donor Capacity: 9000 grafts

Grafts used this surgery: 3243

Ratio: 2.00 hair/graft

Temporal: 485 grafts @ 1.74 hair/graft

Parietal: 1401 grafts @ 2.02 hair/graft

Occipital 1357 grafts @ 2.07 hair/graft

Singles: 638

Doubles: 1997

Triples: 579

Quadruples: 26

Quintuple: 3

Sextuple: 0

I debated whether or not I would publish this post, but I believe these posts are beneficial for people who are looking at future hair transplants.

I travelled to Turkey in November 2020 for my hair transplant at ASMED. I got a reduced rate for my transplant because of covid. I can’t fully remember, but I think I saw the offer online. The offer was pretty much “if you take the risk to fly to Turkey we will charge you at a cheaper rate”. I booked the transplant around May, I was supposed to travel in June but it was cancelled due to restrictions.

Andreea was my patient coordinator. She was amazing, so helpful and welcoming. Can’t give her enough praise.

First day: First photos were taken and I was brought into Dr. Erdogan’s office and met him. We discussed my hair, the transplant and what I wanted.

This was the first part that I was disappointed with. I had attended other consultations and I was told the only area to worry about was my frontal area. But Dr. Erdogan showed me a picture of my crown and said it was thinning. I couldn’t see any ALARMING amounts of thinning in the photos he was showing me and he did say that there was no need to add hair here for this transplant, but I would need to consider a future transplant there at 35. The bit I was disappointed with here is that this was new information to me and I was a bit shocked. It was delivered in a very “”matter of fact” manner, I tried to portray that I was surprised but, it was just quite cold. As many people in here would know, conversations like this impact your mental health and I just found there was a lack of empathy in the room at that point. It felt a very “sales” orientated.

Dr. Erdogan drew on a hairline and asked me to check the mirror. I asked about my temple points. He agreed and drew the temple points. I was told this would cost more, but I said I was happy with paying more. I did push back a little bit on the frontal hairline as I felt it was a bit lower than expected. I was worried about the density of the new hairline, and I asked about raising the hairline to ensure I was getting better density. I was assured that it would be fine. My worries were proven correct, as you will see in the photos below.

I was then taken to the salon room and my head was shaved. I was then brought in for some more photographs, and there were about 5/6 nurses in the room. Dr. Erdogan walked in again. One of the nurses briefed the room in Turkish, I’m guessing she was giving details on my transplant. Dr. Erdogan then said a few words and then all walked around me at different angles and suggested small changes to the hairline. When this was done, they asked me to inspect the hairline in the mirror. I expressed concern about the lowering of the hairline and my forehead lines interrupting the hairline. Again, I was reassured that this was fine. My main regret here is not pushing this more. As you will see in my photos, the density is absolutely terrible.

Surgery day: First part of the surgery lasted until about 12/1pm and then I had a break. I was starving, but I knew from previous posts that patients got a lunch at this point. I was in my room awaiting a lunch, but 20 mins went by and nothing came. Andreea returned to my room and said “ok, let’s go for part 2”. I asked about the food, but I was told that “food wasn’t recommended during the surgery”. I am livid with myself for not pushing back on this because I was so hungry. I met two other patients after the surgery and they didn’t get food at this interval either. Very strange.

Next part was the incisions. Dr. Erdogan completed these incisions. Then the team was left to do the implanting. I was pretty spaced out at the stage. The surgery ended about 5pm. I was brought back to my room and I got food straight away. Dr. Erdogan and the nurses then visited my room and talked about the surgery. They said they were happy.

I then asked Andreea about the ATP spray, but I was told it was not needed. I also asked why I was not taken to the laser cap treatment after surgery. Again, I was told this was not needed. Both of these features were in the original plan and I know that ASMED gave them to previous patients. Like the lack of lunch, I found it a bit strange. Felt like a cost saving exercise for the clinic.

Next day I was transported to the airport and went home to recover.

The first photos I’ve attached are from the day of the consultation day. Then I have attached some from after the surgery. The other photos are the results now. No point in adding the other photos in for the months in between.

Overall, I am disappointed with the density on my left side, it is quite poor. The hairline didn’t need to be lowered in my opinion. I had two friends that went to Hair of Istanbul after me and they now have better results than me. Maybe it was a risk with the cheaper rates during covid, but I feel a bit duped.

I will definitely need a second op in the near future to improve the density. 

Feel pretty cheated with it all.

Wet hair pre-op:

Pre-op, graft calculation:

After surgery:

22 month result:

[RTC]

Damn sorry to hear this bro... hairline looks excessively straight too.

 

Erdogan is a narcissistic crook.

[JohnnyR]

Today I would no longer have surgery there. Its not the first case with a bad result. They are a couple more in the german forum. 

sorry for you! 

[follically challenged]

Impossible. If Joe Tilman recommends them, they must be good! (...kidding)

Sorry to hear about this result, man. Poor result, poor bedside manner, and not even offering lunch.... Sounds like subpar treatment to me.

Did they respond to your criticisms? 

[RTC]

you should message Joe Tilman and let him know.. maybe they can compensate you.

Edited September 28, 2022 by RTC

[IRE90LARK]

8 minutes ago, follically challenged said:

Impossible. If Joe Tilman recommends them, they must be good! (...kidding)

Sorry to hear about this result, man. Poor result, poor bedside manner, and not even offering lunch.... Sounds like subpar treatment to me.

Did they respond to your criticisms? 

I haven't had much communication with them. But I will be sending them this post.

[IRE90LARK]

6 minutes ago, RTC said:

you should message Joe Tilman and let him know.. maybe they can compensate you.

Is he easy to get in contact with? I was shocked when I saw him repping them

[RTC]

Yeah email him bro

[ITA]

Another patient hit and sunk by Asmed, unfortunately.
 @IRE90LARKcan I ask you why you chose Asmed for your transplant?  Aside from the discount for Covid, where did you see his results?

[IRE90LARK]

1 minute ago, ITA said:

Another patient hit and sunk by Asmed, unfortunately.
 @IRE90LARKcan I ask you why you chose Asmed for your transplant?  Aside from the discount for Covid, where did you see his results?

I followed the journey below and the results looked good. I also read good reports online, but I can now see that there was definitely a change in quality in the last few years. I may have been reading historic posts.

The discount was a major draw. My two friends that went to Hair of Istanbul got cheaper rates then me and better results.

 

[Ahmad Faraz]

How much you paid them ? 

[IRE90LARK]

2 hours ago, Ahmad Faraz said:

How much you paid them ? 

Around €4700

[NYHairTrans]

@IRE90LARK appreciate you following my previous forum post and sorry to see the disappointing result. 
 

Have you got a photo of your crown? Just from the pictures you supplied, I also do not understand why it was a concern. 
 

My first surgery in Australia resulted in similar results you have here. Such a shame. I would definitely contact the clinic and your coordinator and well as JT directly with photos showing your concerns. 
 

may I ask if you had any complications post surgery? I would also like to add I missed out on the laser therapy but got smp into my scar which I assumed took this time. I also received the spray and lunch was at the halfway point of the surgery. Mine and the other guys on the same days results are all great. Mine has some noticeable weaker points but overall I’m happy. Having said that, this is all sounding very dodgy and the clinic should be ashamed. Your result is unfortunately a poor one. 
 

there was a guy on YouTube under the username “planetstephen” that had his done at asmed. He may even have a forum post here. He received a poor result which they ended up redoing for free. Could be an option depending on how much you trust it. Another clinic would most likely be a better option but still a frustrating outcome! 
 

Again, sorry for your results, clinic have done you dirty here. 
 

edit: I paid €2.5 per graft for 2800 grafts. €7000 total so yours was very cheap

Edited September 28, 2022 by NYHairTrans

[LookMaxx]

Yeah it’s a hairmill now. Bigger hairmill than most hairmills, they have so many rooms. 

You don’t know who will operate on you and it’s a lottery.

[IRE90LARK]

1 hour ago, NYHairTrans said:

@IRE90LARK appreciate you following my previous forum post and sorry to see the disappointing result. 
 

Have you got a photo of your crown? Just from the pictures you supplied, I also do not understand why it was a concern. 
 

My first surgery in Australia resulted in similar results you have here. Such a shame. I would definitely contact the clinic and your coordinator and well as JT directly with photos showing your concerns. 
 

may I ask if you had any complications post surgery? I would also like to add I missed out on the laser therapy but got smp into my scar which I assumed took this time. I also received the spray and lunch was at the halfway point of the surgery. Mine and the other guys on the same days results are all great. Mine has some noticeable weaker points but overall I’m happy. Having said that, this is all sounding very dodgy and the clinic should be ashamed. Your result is unfortunately a poor one. 
 

there was a guy on YouTube under the username “planetstephen” that had his done at asmed. He may even have a forum post here. He received a poor result which they ended up redoing for free. Could be an option depending on how much you trust it. Another clinic would most likely be a better option but still a frustrating outcome! 
 

Again, sorry for your results, clinic have done you dirty here. 
 

edit: I paid €2.5 per graft for 2800 grafts. €7000 total so yours was very cheap

Have you got a photo of your crown?

That's the best one I have on my laptop. I can't find the USB with all the photos at the moment. I had seen these photos and it didn't bother me. Other consultations had said that it will eventually thin there, but it was delivered in a "sales" manner at ASMED.

I would definitely contact the clinic and your coordinator and well as JT directly with photos showing your concerns. 

I've sent this post to the clinic. I've to fill out a form to get Tillman's attention, but I'll pursue him. I respected his work, but I can't believe he's still backing ASMED.

may I ask if you had any complications post surgery?

None at all

there was a guy on YouTube under the username “planetstephen” that had his done at asmed. He may even have a forum post here. He received a poor result which they ended up redoing for free. Could be an option depending on how much you trust it. Another clinic would most likely be a better option but still a frustrating outcome! 

I did see his clips before but it looks he has deleted them all now. At this point if they offered me Erdogan for the whole fix, I'd take it. Shouldn't be a big job to fix it.

Again, sorry for your results, clinic have done you dirty here. 

Appreciate the empathy dude!

[Melvin- Admin]

Let me be frank, sending this to someone who promotes them will do absolutely nothing! 

I’m sorry to see you’ve had a negative experience, the best option is to contact the clinic directly. They’re active on here, so if you tag the clinic, they’ll respond. 

I would be interested to hear their response. Hopefully you can agree on an amicable solution. 

[IRE90LARK]

1 minute ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Let me be frank, sending this to someone who promotes them will do absolutely nothing! 

I’m sorry to see you’ve had a negative experience, the best option is to contact the clinic directly. They’re active on here, so if you tag the clinic, they’ll respond. 

I would be interested to hear their response. Hopefully you can agree on an amicable solution. 

Thanks for the honesty Melvin!

I have sent them details on this post, but I can tag them here @ASMEDMANUALFUE

Let's hope I get a fair solution!

[Z--]

Sigh. This is yet another ASMED disappointment.

You did nothing wrong man, but I would HIGHLY advise against going there for a repair. That's just wasting more of your precious donor, esp given the possibility of future crown loss (which sucks, trust me ). Consider this a sunk cost, move-on and learn from this experience. You'll now likely need an elite repair surgeon to fill in the areas behind the hairline and make the hairline look less straight.

 

[A Fue Good Men]

Good ol Erdogan back at it again.

 

I saw his bff Lorenzo and got a bad result just like you with a destroyed donor. Bottom line is that these guys ONLY care about money. They won’t refund you, not even partially. That’s how money hungry they are.

If you go to them again for repair (I stupidly did that) they will ruin your scalp even further.

Their “graft calculator” tool that they both use is straight BS. Only a very small minority of patients have 9000 grafts available for FUE. Lorenzo used the same tool and told me I had 16k (lol) available yet after 3500 grafts I was depleted in several zones.

As suggested by others, go to an elite doctor that will sort you out. One that doesn’t hand you over to a hoarde of techs and has no involvement. Bisanga comes to mind in Europe. Good luck

[mr_peanutbutter]

is there a particular reason hair surgeons (maybe from turkey only) always implant some hair in the middle and advance the hairline instead of just closing the gaps at the sides? i see it done very often in norwood 3 guys

[asterix0]

1 hour ago, 5BetaReductase said:

Good ol Erdogan back at it again.

 

I saw his bff Lorenzo and got a bad result just like you with a destroyed donor. Bottom line is that these guys ONLY care about money. They won’t refund you, not even partially. That’s how money hungry they are.

If you go to them again for repair (I stupidly did that) they will ruin your scalp even further.

Their “graft calculator” tool that they both use is straight BS. Only a very small minority of patients have 9000 grafts available for FUE. Lorenzo used the same tool and told me I had 16k (lol) available yet after 3500 grafts I was depleted in several zones.

As suggested by others, go to an elite doctor that will sort you out. One that doesn’t hand you over to a hoarde of techs and has no involvement. Bisanga comes to mind in Europe. Good luck

Dang I am sorry to hear that man, do you have a thread posting your experience?

[A Fue Good Men]

5 minutes ago, asterix0 said:

Dang I am sorry to hear that man, do you have a thread posting your experience?

I do not. May post it in the future

[davidn]

1 hour ago, 5BetaReductase said:

Good ol Erdogan back at it again.

 

I saw his bff Lorenzo and got a bad result just like you with a destroyed donor. Bottom line is that these guys ONLY care about money. They won’t refund you, not even partially. That’s how money hungry they are.

If you go to them again for repair (I stupidly did that) they will ruin your scalp even further.

Their “graft calculator” tool that they both use is straight BS. Only a very small minority of patients have 9000 grafts available for FUE. Lorenzo used the same tool and told me I had 16k (lol) available yet after 3500 grafts I was depleted in several zones.

As suggested by others, go to an elite doctor that will sort you out. One that doesn’t hand you over to a hoarde of techs and has no involvement. Bisanga comes to mind in Europe. Good luck

16k 🤡

[NYHairTrans]

@IRE90LARKCrown looks fine. Unsure why they would have mentioned it at all unless there was obvious signs of some early miniaturisation that warranted warning you about future loss.

Did you have any photos of it month by month or so? I’m interested to see how it grew out. Density obviously just isn’t there. Really disappointing. 
 

I was really set on going back to get my fut scar filled in and a few minor touch ups/ alterations but this has definitely made the decision a hard one. 

[LookMaxx]

This is perfect example of why tools don’t matter but the hand that wields those tool does. You would drool over the quality of the tools that asmed uses, it’s really some high class stuff but useless at hands of techs. 

I guess the positive is it’s not that terrible of a result and will require a few more grafts to fill in the gaps/density. What I mean is it’s not the only elite super expensive surgeon can repair terrible result, any competent non-hairmill surgeon will fix you right up.  Shame 3200 grafts could’ve been incredible density for your level of loss but it’s a hairmill after all.

Just forget about the clinic or touch ups or whatever. Refund is obviously out of the question, I haven’t seen elite doctors offer free touch ups much less refunds, this is a hairmill after all and I would be surprised if any sort of that happens. Even if they offer free touch up, are you going to take it?? Of course not

The next clinic you choose please stay away from hairmills. Any doctor from this forum recommended list will be good enough to have 90% graft survival and nicely plant few hairs in the gaps.