Dr Koray Erdogan- ASMED Clinic 3243 Grafts FUE 25/11/2020

[IRE90LARK]

6 hours ago, LookMaxx said:

This is perfect example of why tools don’t matter but the hand that wields those tool does. You would drool over the quality of the tools that asmed uses, it’s really some high class stuff but useless at hands of techs. 

I guess the positive is it’s not that terrible of a result and will require a few more grafts to fill in the gaps/density. What I mean is it’s not the only elite super expensive surgeon can repair terrible result, any competent non-hairmill surgeon will fix you right up.  Shame 3200 grafts could’ve been incredible density for your level of loss but it’s a hairmill after all.

Just forget about the clinic or touch ups or whatever. Refund is obviously out of the question, I haven’t seen elite doctors offer free touch ups much less refunds, this is a hairmill after all and I would be surprised if any sort of that happens. Even if they offer free touch up, are you going to take it?? Of course not

The next clinic you choose please stay away from hairmills. Any doctor from this forum recommended list will be good enough to have 90% graft survival and nicely plant few hairs in the gaps.

 

I guess the positive is it’s not that terrible of a result and will require a few more grafts to fill in the gaps/density. What I mean is it’s not the only elite super expensive surgeon can repair terrible result, any competent non-hairmill surgeon will fix you right up -  really appreciate this comment. It's helpful because I do believe I won't have to spend a really high amount to get it fixed. Lesson learned though, I will know for future transplants. I'd like to think I've helped a few people here that are thinking of going to ASMED in the future.

Just forget about the clinic or touch ups or whatever. Refund is obviously out of the question, I haven’t seen elite doctors offer free touch ups much less refunds, this is a hairmill after all and I would be surprised if any sort of that happens. Even if they offer free touch up, are you going to take it?? Of course not - I suppose that is the acid test here. I had looked back on the "planetstephen" stuff before and there was another post where they have offered a refund/discount to a client. Their next step here is important and I will keep this thread updated with the feedback. If they care about turning around their reputation, because it has clearly been declining the last few years, then their communication with after care is crucial.

The really frustrating part is that my two friends went to Hair of Istanbul and they got better results.

[LookMaxx]

12 hours ago, IRE90LARK said:

Just forget about the clinic or touch ups or whatever. Refund is obviously out of the question, I haven’t seen elite doctors offer free touch ups much less refunds, this is a hairmill after all and I would be surprised if any sort of that happens. Even if they offer free touch up, are you going to take it?? Of course not - I suppose that is the acid test here. I had looked back on the "planetstephen" stuff before and there was another post where they have offered a refund/discount to a client. Their next step here is important and I will keep this thread updated with the feedback. If they care about turning around their reputation, because it has clearly been declining the last few years, then their communication with after care is crucial.

The really frustrating part is that my two friends went to Hair of Istanbul and they got better results.

Yeah, obviously if they offer a refund that would be the best but I would be really surprised if that happens. From what I heard Erdogan used to be really great and that’s where all the old recommendations are from then he just scaled his operation up to like high class hairmill lol, the video tour JT did of his clinic, it’s the most beautiful clinic I have seen for a HT clinic.

Well, that’s the thing about hairmills. It’s a lottery and the result depends on which techs get to operate on you. Your friends won the lottery it seems, you didn’t 

Edited September 29, 2022 by LookMaxx

[botchedguy95]

On 9/29/2022 at 5:57 AM, NYHairTrans said:

@IRE90LARKCrown looks fine. Unsure why they would have mentioned it at all unless there was obvious signs of some early miniaturisation that warranted warning you about future loss.

Did you have any photos of it month by month or so? I’m interested to see how it grew out. Density obviously just isn’t there. Really disappointing. 
 

I was really set on going back to get my fut scar filled in and a few minor touch ups/ alterations but this has definitely made the decision a hard one. 

Why in gods name would you go to ASMED these days, even in Turkey there are several clinics that are far safer and more ethical at similar price points...

[Edy]

On 10/27/2022 at 12:10 AM, botchedguy95 said:

Why in gods name would you go to ASMED these days, even in Turkey there are several clinics that are far safer and more ethical at similar price points...

What other and better doctor/clinic would you suggest in istanbul?

[shiba1985]

On 9/28/2022 at 2:20 PM, 5BetaReductase said:

Good ol Erdogan back at it again.

 

I saw his bff Lorenzo and got a bad result just like you with a destroyed donor. Bottom line is that these guys ONLY care about money. They won’t refund you, not even partially. That’s how money hungry they are.

If you go to them again for repair (I stupidly did that) they will ruin your scalp even further.

Their “graft calculator” tool that they both use is straight BS. Only a very small minority of patients have 9000 grafts available for FUE. Lorenzo used the same tool and told me I had 16k (lol) available yet after 3500 grafts I was depleted in several zones.

As suggested by others, go to an elite doctor that will sort you out. One that doesn’t hand you over to a hoarde of techs and has no involvement. Bisanga comes to mind in Europe. Good luck

These doctors that are telling patients they have 13-16k grafts available by doing their voodoo excel sheet calculations need to put their money where their mouth is. I have yet to see a patient photo who have 16k follicular unit grafts in the donor area available to move. They create such unrealistic pictures in patients head, it’s criminal. 
 

[mrmane85]

On 10/29/2022 at 8:17 AM, Zelimkhan Zankarhanov said:

Hi there, 

I am sorry for this poor outcome. 

ASMED is obviously a hairmill. We are not discovering America here. Dr. Koray Erdogan's coverage values theories and total donor capacity is pure BS. 

Try to email Joseph Tillman the Hair Transplant Mentor and hopefully he will assist you in getting a refund even though I doubt they will refund anything. Still worth a try. 

The positive news is that you have very little hairloss so your situation is by no means tragic. Make sure you are taking oral Finasteride 1mg daily to prevent further progression of balding on the midscalp and crown. The last thing you want is playing catch-up with hairloss after having already used up your donor area partially. 

I suggest you look into Dr. Bisanga, Dr. Feriduni, Dr. Bruno Pinto for some good repair work on your hairline. 

Best regards, 

Zelimkhan Zankarhanov

Hair restoration consultant

I haven't seen any Pinto repair cases. Is he good with repairs?

[botchedguy95]

12 hours ago, mrmane85 said:

I haven't seen any Pinto repair cases. Is he good with repairs?

Pinto is amazing with repairs, look at the Spanish forums there are quite a lot of them there

[Murat-kz]

3 hours ago, botchedguy95 said:

Pinto is amazing with repairs, look at the Spanish forums there are quite a lot of them there

And what are Pinto's prices do you know my friend?

[jakos]

On 9/28/2022 at 10:44 AM, IRE90LARK said:

Age: 30

Donor Capacity: 9000 grafts

Grafts used this surgery: 3243

Ratio: 2.00 hair/graft

Temporal: 485 grafts @ 1.74 hair/graft

Parietal: 1401 grafts @ 2.02 hair/graft

Occipital 1357 grafts @ 2.07 hair/graft

Singles: 638

Doubles: 1997

Triples: 579

Quadruples: 26

Quintuple: 3

Sextuple: 0

I debated whether or not I would publish this post, but I believe these posts are beneficial for people who are looking at future hair transplants.

I travelled to Turkey in November 2020 for my hair transplant at ASMED. I got a reduced rate for my transplant because of covid. I can’t fully remember, but I think I saw the offer online. The offer was pretty much “if you take the risk to fly to Turkey we will charge you at a cheaper rate”. I booked the transplant around May, I was supposed to travel in June but it was cancelled due to restrictions.

Andreea was my patient coordinator. She was amazing, so helpful and welcoming. Can’t give her enough praise.

First day: First photos were taken and I was brought into Dr. Erdogan’s office and met him. We discussed my hair, the transplant and what I wanted.

This was the first part that I was disappointed with. I had attended other consultations and I was told the only area to worry about was my frontal area. But Dr. Erdogan showed me a picture of my crown and said it was thinning. I couldn’t see any ALARMING amounts of thinning in the photos he was showing me and he did say that there was no need to add hair here for this transplant, but I would need to consider a future transplant there at 35. The bit I was disappointed with here is that this was new information to me and I was a bit shocked. It was delivered in a very “”matter of fact” manner, I tried to portray that I was surprised but, it was just quite cold. As many people in here would know, conversations like this impact your mental health and I just found there was a lack of empathy in the room at that point. It felt a very “sales” orientated.

Dr. Erdogan drew on a hairline and asked me to check the mirror. I asked about my temple points. He agreed and drew the temple points. I was told this would cost more, but I said I was happy with paying more. I did push back a little bit on the frontal hairline as I felt it was a bit lower than expected. I was worried about the density of the new hairline, and I asked about raising the hairline to ensure I was getting better density. I was assured that it would be fine. My worries were proven correct, as you will see in the photos below.

I was then taken to the salon room and my head was shaved. I was then brought in for some more photographs, and there were about 5/6 nurses in the room. Dr. Erdogan walked in again. One of the nurses briefed the room in Turkish, I’m guessing she was giving details on my transplant. Dr. Erdogan then said a few words and then all walked around me at different angles and suggested small changes to the hairline. When this was done, they asked me to inspect the hairline in the mirror. I expressed concern about the lowering of the hairline and my forehead lines interrupting the hairline. Again, I was reassured that this was fine. My main regret here is not pushing this more. As you will see in my photos, the density is absolutely terrible.

Surgery day: First part of the surgery lasted until about 12/1pm and then I had a break. I was starving, but I knew from previous posts that patients got a lunch at this point. I was in my room awaiting a lunch, but 20 mins went by and nothing came. Andreea returned to my room and said “ok, let’s go for part 2”. I asked about the food, but I was told that “food wasn’t recommended during the surgery”. I am livid with myself for not pushing back on this because I was so hungry. I met two other patients after the surgery and they didn’t get food at this interval either. Very strange.

Next part was the incisions. Dr. Erdogan completed these incisions. Then the team was left to do the implanting. I was pretty spaced out at the stage. The surgery ended about 5pm. I was brought back to my room and I got food straight away. Dr. Erdogan and the nurses then visited my room and talked about the surgery. They said they were happy.

I then asked Andreea about the ATP spray, but I was told it was not needed. I also asked why I was not taken to the laser cap treatment after surgery. Again, I was told this was not needed. Both of these features were in the original plan and I know that ASMED gave them to previous patients. Like the lack of lunch, I found it a bit strange. Felt like a cost saving exercise for the clinic.

Next day I was transported to the airport and went home to recover.

The first photos I’ve attached are from the day of the consultation day. Then I have attached some from after the surgery. The other photos are the results now. No point in adding the other photos in for the months in between.

Overall, I am disappointed with the density on my left side, it is quite poor. The hairline didn’t need to be lowered in my opinion. I had two friends that went to Hair of Istanbul after me and they now have better results than me. Maybe it was a risk with the cheaper rates during covid, but I feel a bit duped.

I will definitely need a second op in the near future to improve the density. 

Feel pretty cheated with it all.

Wet hair pre-op:

Pre-op, graft calculation:

After surgery:

22 month result:

Sorry to hear that you had a disappointing experience  OP

ASMED has alternative packages for the surgery, could you tell which one was yours? The one where dr Koray does everything or the other one?

[ITA]

2 hours ago, jakos said:

ASMED has alternative packages for the surgery, could you tell which one was yours? The one where dr Koray does everything or the other one?

Koray limits himself to designing the hairline and in his most expensive package he does the engravings, there is no package where he does "everything".

[Pbaird98]

12 minutes ago, ITA said:

Koray limits himself to designing the hairline and in his most expensive package he does the engravings, there is no package where he does "everything".

True ^ And for the price he charges just to do the incisions you could go to one of Europe’s elite…

[botchedguy95]

On 11/6/2022 at 7:04 PM, ITA said:

Koray limits himself to designing the hairline and in his most expensive package he does the engravings, there is no package where he does "everything".

"Designing", guy draws it on your head with one hand in 2 minutes and sends you on your way for the techs to flush your grafts down the toilet, it's a scam

[SilentUser]

On 9/28/2022 at 12:11 PM, RTC said:

you should message Joe Tilman and let him know.. maybe they can compensate you.

I really don't know why he is promoting ASMED. I think he just needed the money tbh. 

[Libertarian Salafist]

Used to like JT, lots of valuable info. Then he suddenly promotes ASMED which goes contrary to all he teaches in his videos. Really sad.

To OP, this Will probably be an easy fix for a reputable surgeon like Bisanga or Muresanu. However you might not have much left after that for future loss, so if you arent on fin or Dut already, start now.

[jjalay]

Hi, sorry for your bad experience. Any updates on your current state?

[IRE90LARK]

Hi all,

Apologies for the delay on the update here - the clinic called me after this post and I was not impressed with the reaction. I did not speak to my original patient coordinator, Andreea, as she was out on maternity leave. Shoutout to Andreea again, she was the only good part of this whole experience.

It was very much a sense of "why did you not contact us first?". I know how this works, I think we all know. If I didn't use a platform such as this, I likely wouldn't have got a call from them. It took a few YouTube videos for the previous person mentioned(planetstephen) to get some repair work completed.

The part that was really frustrating was when I asked about repair work, and I said "I assume there will be a discount?". The response was "all returning clients get 15% off, but let me talk to the doctor". I didn't bother following up.

I did a lot of research before I went and I believed ASMED was a good choice, but I think I got mine done around the time where their model shifted to a hair mill. I think they're doing dental work now too, which sums it up for me.

I feel like I lost a lot of grafts, probably due to poor implanting, in the recovery phase. You can see in the photos after surgery that the grafts don't look gappy. But there was definitely hairs lost in the recovery. My barber was so shocked by it all and she cuts a lot of transplanted hair. She said my left side is ok, but on my right side there are just small islands of scalp where hair was either lost in the recovery phase, or just not implanted at all.

I am going to contact a few clinics in London to see if I can get some repair work. For now, I am using Toppik to fill in the gaps. I don't mind using Toppik, but I'm just so conscious of the obvious gaps, I feel like I should do something about it.

[NYHairTrans]

14 hours ago, IRE90LARK said:

Hi all,

Apologies for the delay on the update here - the clinic called me after this post and I was not impressed with the reaction. I did not speak to my original patient coordinator, Andreea, as she was out on maternity leave. Shoutout to Andreea again, she was the only good part of this whole experience.

It was very much a sense of "why did you not contact us first?". I know how this works, I think we all know. If I didn't use a platform such as this, I likely wouldn't have got a call from them. It took a few YouTube videos for the previous person mentioned(planetstephen) to get some repair work completed.

The part that was really frustrating was when I asked about repair work, and I said "I assume there will be a discount?". The response was "all returning clients get 15% off, but let me talk to the doctor". I didn't bother following up.

I did a lot of research before I went and I believed ASMED was a good choice, but I think I got mine done around the time where their model shifted to a hair mill. I think they're doing dental work now too, which sums it up for me.

I feel like I lost a lot of grafts, probably due to poor implanting, in the recovery phase. You can see in the photos after surgery that the grafts don't look gappy. But there was definitely hairs lost in the recovery. My barber was so shocked by it all and she cuts a lot of transplanted hair. She said my left side is ok, but on my right side there are just small islands of scalp where hair was either lost in the recovery phase, or just not implanted at all.

I am going to contact a few clinics in London to see if I can get some repair work. For now, I am using Toppik to fill in the gaps. I don't mind using Toppik, but I'm just so conscious of the obvious gaps, I feel like I should do something about it.

Sorry to hear! Really disappointing considering I thought I had a good experience. Some things of late have concerned me about the clinic. I want to add that since my hair transplant I have expressed that I have double grafts in my temporal points and a weaker spot in my temples. Nothing major but the doubles in the temple points is an obvious one and the clinic just flat out denied that it’s possible. I even purchased a magnifying camera and zoomed into it clearly showing they’re double grafts and I was met with the response that they’re just single grafts that have been placed close together?! I went into the conversation not angry about it or anything just stating an observation I had made and it was like they were immediately on the defensive with me. The fact that they do dental now is concerning too. In the recent newsletter there is a repair performed by Dr Bicer in Turkey. She may be an option for you if you still consider the turkey route. I’m considering her as I have a fut scar asmed wouldn’t put grafts into unless it was done in its own session.  Sorry to hear about this all hope you get a great result in your repair surgery. 
 

https://hairtransplantnetwork.com/dr-ozlem-bicer